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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 54514 08-18-2012 07:44 AM

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 54514 08-18-2012 07:47 AM

http://www.reformation.org/mexicans.html

~~Skippy Guardian~~

LoP Guest Wrote:

https://www.google.com/search?q=aztec+ar...00&bih=779

How are the Aztec sacrifices any different than what happened during the Crusades and the Dark ages? "Medieval torture device" ring a bell?

Human beings are flawed because we are spiritual beings in animal bodies. Most of the time the "animal side" wins the battle. It's our job to try and defeat the animal and achieve the spirit.

**Old Whatshisname**

The Librarian Wrote:

How are the Aztec sacrifices any different than what happened during the Crusades and the Dark ages? "Medieval torture device" ring a bell?

Human beings are flawed because we are spiritual beings in animal bodies. Most of the time the "animal side" wins the battle. It's our job to try and defeat the animal and achieve the spirit.

Exactly! You had two cultures, equal in barbarity, cruelty, and the more dynamic one beat the other one out.

**roadtoad** · (This post was last modified: 08-18-2012 08:50 PM by roadtoad.)

to the great myth of 'one beat the other out'
No one ever beat the other out, you just 'preemptied' us.
You should learn that not one inch of american soil was won by the americans, from native indians, in wars of aggression. Mexicans maybe, but not from native indians.
Every square inch of land taken from native indians by americans, was done with lies, underhanded tricks and broken treaties.
There is no such thing as 'we won this country fair and square'..
We take back our country now because you have never shown us any respect, and, if you pay attention to all the haters on this site, you never intend to.

**Old Whatshisname**

Lies, underhand tricks, and broken treaties are just as effective as any other approach, right?

**Coolchick**

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

Lies, underhand tricks, and broken treaties are just as effective as any other approach, right?

perhaps so.
not very honourable though..
not anything to be proud of in any case..

**sia**

Emma Peel Wrote:

The "savages" also enjoyed killing other tribes so essentially they could have wiped each other out. Gangs are nothing new.

true. the indians were warriors.

**Vlad**

Coolchick Wrote:

Old Whatshisname Wrote:
Lies, underhand tricks, and broken treaties are just as effective as any other approach, right?

perhaps so.
not very honourable though..
not anything to be proud of in any case..

You a classic Girlie Hugs

I can Leo on tellin why we messed it up!, but think all bright Humans get it S977

I can focus on Female Beauty, but if so I get depressed.

**roadtoad** · (This post was last modified: 08-19-2012 03:13 PM by roadtoad.)

you're looking at it 100% backwards. If europeans hadn't settled in america, and taken the concept of individual sovereignty from the native indians, you'd still be living in serfdom. under the devine right of kings, the crown law, the pope law, which, some may say you still are, to include the admiralty law, but you never would have been able to at least pay lip service to individual freedoms without the native indian.
No u.s. constitution, no napolean, 'peoples army' war, and, another thing that happened in 1789, the mutiny on the bounty, whether that had anything to do with the native indian's concept of individual freedoms, or not, I wouldn't know, but. I wouldn't say its impossible.
What I'm saying is, that, even your concept of what america stands for is different than it would have been, without the native indian.
in short, america would not be america, without the native indian.

**Diana Highnight**

there is evidence that the so-called native americans wiped out the earlier white native inhabitants. Many tribes have these myths.

**Old Whatshisname**

Coolchick Wrote:

Old Whatshisname Wrote:
Lies, underhand tricks, and broken treaties are just as effective as any other approach, right?

perhaps so.
not very honourable though..
not anything to be proud of in any case..

Whereas defeating them in battle is honorable?

Robert Heinlein said that "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity."

In the end, the stupid guys lose out, regardless of honor, pride, or being "in the right".

**Missing** · **Missing** presumed alive User ID: 61542 08-19-2012 02:29 PM **Posts: 203**

The Librarian Wrote:

There would be no nuclear plants, no pollution, no money, no chemically treated water, no police, no bureaucratic laws, no prisons, no drugs (aside from the natural ones), no jobs, no taxes, no elderly people scared of death, no gangs, children respected their parents, religion was a respect of nature and balance.....

But we had to make way for "progress", right....

Had to get rid of the "savages".....

Hmmmm.... Camping with people you know and love 24/7.... Everyday waking up to the beauty of nature and sharing new adventures with your brothers and sisters....

I'd trade my laptop, car, job and apartment for it... Would you?

Then you would've been born in Europe (assuming your ancestors survived long enough to breed) and it wouldn't matter to you.

You'd still have printed books, but you probably wouldn't have been taught how to read them.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 115549 08-19-2012 02:36 PM

Emma Peel Wrote:

The "savages" also enjoyed killing other tribes so essentially they could have wiped each other out.

you´re so full of shit.

**roadtoad**

Emma Peel? see post #80
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