haskins Wrote:don't think man does not need population control...we do very bad
just don't agree with who gets to decide and their reasoning
not saying I want the job..because I don't
and you could only control it your way here in this country , so we lower our population , while our possible enemy's enlarge theirs...
don't see a good outcome that way...do you?
The only answer can be to let other counties and peoples populate as they wish. But make sure they arnt doing it in your country.
I once found out it is virtually impossible to drink all the beer at a pizza parler. If you want to deal with it, the only thing you can do, is control how much you personally drink.
Likewise, we will never be able to cope with all the people in the world. The only thing we can do, is restrict how many get onto our property.
haskins Wrote:but I think the way things are going right now
nature or human kind is gonna sort it shortly...and none of us are gonna like the selection process
Unless there is some change, we will have catastrophy, and no reason to hope that after the recovery, we will not be bound to repeat it again, and again.
haskins Wrote:and honestly as I re-read your post seems bigoted as it points out "them".."Their country"
are you a native American?
cause sorry , if they means immigrants...
I know what you mean there, but I think I am a 'native American'. It is not well known, I guess, but is beginning to be more and more accepted, that 'white' people populated north america before the 'indians'. The indications of it have been suppressed, but lately, ther have been so many that, it comming out.
First it was just some red headed mummies (dried, not cured and wrapped) found in caves and places here and there. They were widely thought to be fakes/hoaxes. Hopi indians have a ledgend of having overcomming a giant (bigger, tall, not like 'Giant') red headed peoples, by camping outside the cave they were hiding in, and killing them one by one, as they came out, as they had to, for food, or starve. They couldnt attack the cave because the smaller defending force, could defend the narrow cave mouth.
Then there was 'Kennewick man', a white guy they found 9000 years old. That doesnt predate 'native americans', but he had to come from somewhere. 'Indians' claimed his bones and said any study of them would defile the graves of their ansestors, but he was white people.
Ainu, the white 'Boat People' near Japan on the other side, of the 'land bridge'. Red headed 'Bog People' found preserved in Florida swamp. European Spearpoint technology, and genes. Etc. Etc. and this is the stuff that gets thru the skepticism, and coverups.]
Before I knew this, I was 'uncomfortable' about what 'we' did to the Indians. I would still want a place to live my own, way, with others like me, but I would not feel empowered to try to do it in America.
As to racism, it depends on what you mean. I know it is wrong to think of yourself as better than, or superior to, anyone else. I know also that the kind of racism, I used to see on TV like 'The Rifleman' where mean cowboys tortured poor chinese imigrants that were only trying to wash our laundry, and other incidents I heared about that really happened in the south, Are as despicable as anyone ever thought.
I am appaled by that attitude, and would never be like that. But I have come to expect statistical differences. From my experience.
Like I will buzz in a white sounding cute chick, pretty easily, but some black sounding guy says they 'Left their keys', and I dont. people have got killed in their homes too often by black guys in my town, and its never a white cute chick.
More relevant to this discussion, growth rate does follow right along racial lines. As I have said before, you never can say anything about a particular individual, in a group, but you sure can know how to bet.
So, take it how you will. I do want to live in an environment with people like myself. If white people start wanting to have ten kids a family, I will start to worry about it. But its not a problem I expect to see. I certainly wish no ill, on anyone else, or different. And I know not to try and force my preferences on them.
I know there is a whilte family somewhere with 20 kids, and black families with none, but they are not typical. And there are other statistical differences I dont care for either. I preserve diversity, 'ours' and 'theirs'. Live and let live.
I know this perspective, is not 'politically correct' but I think the alternative, would be an end to diversity. The world would be one big China, or one big India, or one big Africa, or Some Arab nation (they have the highest birth rates, but not that big a present population). Or some mix of the above.
There is no place in that world for a town like 'Mayberry' Where the only criminal is the town drunk, and his only crime is getting too drunk.
Nor room for the kind of place my relatively large city was. Not quite Mayberry, but close enough. News was every once in a long while some one was in a car crash, or kids broke open a pop machine. Now,, its murders, rapes, muggings, a few a week. And for whatever reason, there are consistant racial profiles going on there. Same as with growth rates.