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**SickScent** · (This post was last modified: 04-25-2012 10:42 PM by SickScent.)

This comes directly from the NASA website. It is a press release from the Royal Astronomical Society labeled 'for immediate release'. It was released in 1999.

"Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky."

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news071.html

ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY PRESS NOTICE

Date: 7 October 1999
For immediate release

Ref. PN 99/32
Issued by: Dr Jacqueline Mitton
RAS Press Officer
Phone: Cambridge ((0)1223) 564914
FAX: Cambridge ((0)1223) 572892
E-mail: [email protected]

RAS Web: http://www.ras.org.uk/ras/

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CONTACT FOR THIS RELEASE

Dr John B. Murray ([email protected])
Phone: 01908 652118

Dept. of Earth Sciences, The Open University,
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA

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PUZZLE OF COMETARY ORBITS HINTS AT LARGE UNDISCOVERED OBJECT
Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets.

Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.

The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.

So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.

Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.

**Michael Alan Keith**

I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!

**Coolhandluke74**

Nemesis comes and civilizations fall.....

**SickScent**

Buster Wrote:

I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!

I'm definitely not a PXer.

Just presenting scientific information from valid sources.

**ana** · **ana** . User ID: 84929 04-25-2012 10:44 PM **Posts: 4,852**

wonder if that's why all the fireballs the past few years? wonder if that's why the sun seems to be acting strange? and thus our weather, and all that.

**SickScent**

Coolhandluke74 Wrote:

Nemesis comes and civilizations fall.....

**ana** · **ana** . User ID: 84929 04-25-2012 10:45 PM **Posts: 4,852**

Buster Wrote:

I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!

i didn't see PX mentioned.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 71656 04-25-2012 10:46 PM

Coolhandluke74 Wrote:

Nemesis comes and civilizations fall.....

So what wiped out our memory of the last great fall? There is evidence that suggests we were once more advanced.
Scratchinghead

**SickScent**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Coolhandluke74 Wrote:
Nemesis comes and civilizations fall.....

So what wiped out our memory of the last great fall? There is evidence that suggests we were once more advanced.

Not just the dwarf, but the system that is the dwarf is within. (Fluff)

**Michael Alan Keith**

KeLiy Wrote:

Buster Wrote:
I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!
i didn't see PX mentioned.

Date: 7 October 1999

This has been mounted by numerous PX Chicken Littles over the past 13 years.

There might be a large planet or brown dwarf out there. No one has seen it. It can't be detected by measuring the orbits of the planets.

The only proof of it is that comets come. They might have been perturbed from their place supposedly far out in a ring or cloud that has not ever been detected.

Its all supposition that has yet to be backed up with one single observation in all these years. Yet it still gets posted over and over. Why is that?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 47068 04-25-2012 10:50 PM

Buster Wrote:

I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!

Buster: go fist yourself. We get it, you're scared (one cannot deny all the Earth/solar system changes) and this is the only way you know how to deal with it, by acting out.

You have the maturity level of a 6 year old Buster, instead of looking painfully stupid by trying to deny the MOST OBVIOUS SHIT IN HISTORY - offer suggestions as to how we can help people prepare for the months ahead?

If you can't do that, find another thread to piss and moan to.

**ana** · **ana** . User ID: 84929 04-25-2012 10:52 PM **Posts: 4,852**

Buster Wrote:

KeLiy Wrote:
Buster Wrote:
I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!
i didn't see PX mentioned.

Date: 7 October 1999

This has been mounted by numerous PX Chicken Littles over the past 13 years.

There might be a large planet or brown dwarf out there. No one has seen it. It can't be detected by measuring the orbits of the planets.

The only proof of it is that comets come. They might have been perturbed from their place supposedly far out in a ring or cloud that has not ever been detected.

Its all supposition that has yet to be backed up with one single observation in all these years. Yet it still gets posted over and over. Why is that?

something is out there, this i know. it's been heading here. my theory is it could be a vast mothership. maybe behaves like a planet or a brown dwarf. it doesn't really matter.
tptb won't tell us ahead of time, yet i can see they fear something incoming by the reports they have been putting out the past few years.
i don't have to name it or know exactly what it is, i just know it is there, and coming near us.

**CooterBrown** · (This post was last modified: 04-25-2012 10:55 PM by CooterBrown.)

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Even if it's true ... and periodically tosses a few comets our way ... ain't no thang, dawg chuckle

-- There is no evidence which links the Great Year to any dramatic
changes to the Earth, Sun, or Solar System. If there was, it would
have been discovered in the geologic evidence long ago. ELEs do
happen, but the evidence suggests that they are extremely rare --
occurring only once every 26 million years or so -- which means the
odds of that are 26-million-to-1 each and every year (Link).

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**SickScent**

Buster Wrote:

KeLiy Wrote:
Buster Wrote:
I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!
i didn't see PX mentioned.

Date: 7 October 1999

This has been mounted by numerous PX Chicken Littles over the past 13 years.

There might be a large planet or brown dwarf out there. No one has seen it. It can't be detected by measuring the orbits of the planets.

The only proof of it is that comets come. They might have been perturbed from their place supposedly far out in a ring or cloud that has not ever been detected.

Its all supposition that has yet to be backed up with one single observation in all these years. Yet it still gets posted over and over. Why is that?

Welp, I'm new here at LOP, and did not know this paper had gotten posted over and over.

Why is that? Because people are obviously interested in the topic. duh

Anyway, I agree with your views.. Matter of fact, it sounds like thoughts on the subject parallels yours quite closely. Sounds like you have sour grapes from all the die-hard PXers out there. But, I remain a skeptic. There is circumstantial evidence out there, and there is nothing wrong with exploring it.

**Michael Alan Keith**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Buster Wrote:
I really do wish that you PXers would go and mount your evidence!

Buster: go fist yourself. We get it, you're scared (one cannot deny all the Earth/solar system changes) and this is the only way you know how to deal with it, by acting out.

You have the maturity level of a 6 year old Buster, instead of looking painfully stupid by trying to deny the MOST OBVIOUS SHIT IN HISTORY - offer suggestions as to how we can help people prepare for the months ahead?

If you can't do that, find another thread to piss and moan to.

PX is the most obvious stuff in history?

Where is PX at now? Can I see it with my telescope?