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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58907 08-02-2012 07:26 PM

This is by Grace Powers who did the Ring of power documentary.

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_...hohow.html

Article by Dick Eastman discussing Grace's theory.

http://rense.com/general95/batman-shooting-why.html

Video discussing a 2nd gas mask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3CLfVe8Xg

I am not saying I believe any of this, but it is worth considering if this is in fact true about Robert Holmes. I have read this about his father before, but I think the source was Sorcha Faal who I do not consider reliable. Has anyone seen this info on Robert Holmes coming from a reliable source? I will continue to look into it.

Robert Holmes, the shooting suspect's father, is a senior lead scientist with FICO, the American credit score company. He was scheduled to testify in the next few weeks before a US Senate panel that is investigating the largest bank fraud scandal in world history. This banking fraud threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system.

Robert Holmes not only uncovered the true intent of the massive LIBOR banking fraud, but his "predictive algorithm model" also traced the trillions of "hidden"dollars to the exact bank accounts of the elite classes who stole it. In other words, Robert Holmes could NAME NAMES! Those names WOULD AWAKEN THE WORLD to the depth of government and corporate corruption which could include members of Congress, Wall Street, Federal Reserve and EU executives and could even include US Presidential candidates and the British Royal family.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 80068 08-02-2012 07:29 PM

So why wouldn't they just "suicide" him? Why mess with the son when you could just off the dad?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58907 08-02-2012 07:40 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

So why wouldn't they just "suicide" him? Why mess with the son when you could just off the dad?

Good point. Perhaps the spree killing would have something to do with pushing for gun control. As I see it one of the major threats that the NWO faces before they can complete their agenda is a well armed America that is prepared to resist at all costs. I have noticed TPTB put plans into action that serve multiple purposes.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 112343 08-02-2012 07:42 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

So why wouldn't they just "suicide" him? Why mess with the son when you could just off the dad?

to kill 2 birds with 1 stone

**Flat**

LoP Guest Wrote:

So why wouldn't they just "suicide" him? Why mess with the son when you could just off the dad?

Maybe they want him to keep thinking up new algorithms? Sounds like a pretty smart dude.

LoP Guest Wrote:

So why wouldn't they just "suicide" him? Why mess with the son when you could just off the dad?

When they do a false flag, they try to accomplish a number of purposes, for example 9/11 accomplished getting us into war with Iraq, putting through the Patriot Act and all the other fascistic shit this govt supports, covering up the financial scandal Rumsfeld announced the day before, destroying evidence like the CIA offices in Building 7, maybe stealing the gold in the Twin Towers vaults, massive insurance fraud on the buildings, and who knows what else. I would assume for a major false flag the same thing is probably true - they want to grab the guns AND cover up their financial crimes, and possible other things we don't know.

They might also need to keep Robert Holmes alive and under control for some reason...maybe he's the only one who knows how to do certain things. Keeping his son as a permanent, brain damaged hostage in threat of execution might be a good way of assuring his "cooperation".

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58907 08-02-2012 08:48 PM

OK I sent Grace an email we shall see if she responds.

Hi Grace, let me start by saying I am a fan of your work. I was reading your article on the Colorado shooting and was wondering what your source is for the information connecting Robert Holmes to the Libor banking fraud? I ask because the first time I read about this connection was in an article by Sorcha Faal here http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm I and many others do not find info coming from Sorcha to be reliable. Was this your source? If not would you care to name your source?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58907 08-03-2012 01:23 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

OK I sent Grace an email we shall see if she responds.

Hi Grace, let me start by saying I am a fan of your work. I was reading your article on the Colorado shooting and was wondering what your source is for the information connecting Robert Holmes to the Libor banking fraud? I ask because the first time I read about this connection was in an article by Sorcha Faal here http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm I and many others do not find info coming from Sorcha to be reliable. Was this your source? If not would you care to name your source?

Heard back she said source article coming soon. So I am looking forward to that.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 98358 08-03-2012 05:51 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
OK I sent Grace an email we shall see if she responds.

Hi Grace, let me start by saying I am a fan of your work. I was reading your article on the Colorado shooting and was wondering what your source is for the information connecting Robert Holmes to the Libor banking fraud? I ask because the first time I read about this connection was in an article by Sorcha Faal here http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm I and many others do not find info coming from Sorcha to be reliable. Was this your source? If not would you care to name your source?

Heard back she said source article coming soon. So I am looking forward to that.

I'm not sure whether to compliment you for questioning her ...

or criticize you for not realizing ahead of time that she will provide you with NO proof of her claims.

Everything about her screams "I pass off rumors, innuendo and fabrications as facts backed up by 'unnamed sources'."

I could never decide whether her documentaries are just the fun work of a not-very-discerning wannabe truthseeker or genuine disinfo.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 111514 08-03-2012 06:08 AM

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LoP Guest Wrote:
So why wouldn't they just "suicide" him? Why mess with the son when you could just off the dad?

Maybe they want him to keep thinking up new algorithms? Sounds like a pretty smart dude.

Yeah they might need him.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 111514 08-03-2012 06:24 AM

1 = lone nut; 2 = conspiracy.

**JF Priest** · **JF Priest** Subscriber User ID: 47416 08-03-2012 06:24 AM **Posts: 23,872**

LoP Guest Wrote:

OK I sent Grace an email we shall see if she responds.

Hi Grace, let me start by saying I am a fan of your work. I was reading your article on the Colorado shooting and was wondering what your source is for the information connecting Robert Holmes to the Libor banking fraud? I ask because the first time I read about this connection was in an article by Sorcha Faal here http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm I and many others do not find info coming from Sorcha to be reliable. Was this your source? If not would you care to name your source?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58907 08-03-2012 06:49 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
OK I sent Grace an email we shall see if she responds.

Hi Grace, let me start by saying I am a fan of your work. I was reading your article on the Colorado shooting and was wondering what your source is for the information connecting Robert Holmes to the Libor banking fraud? I ask because the first time I read about this connection was in an article by Sorcha Faal here http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm I and many others do not find info coming from Sorcha to be reliable. Was this your source? If not would you care to name your source?

Heard back she said source article coming soon. So I am looking forward to that.

I'm not sure whether to compliment you for questioning her ...

or criticize you for not realizing ahead of time that she will provide you with NO proof of her claims.

Everything about her screams "I pass off rumors, innuendo and fabrications as facts backed up by 'unnamed sources'."

I could never decide whether her documentaries are just the fun work of a not-very-discerning wannabe truthseeker or genuine disinfo.

If she provides me with no proof then her theory and credibility take a hit. I like her documentaries, but I certainly don't buy everything she says. Honestly there is not one of these truth movement writers,show hosts, or film makers I would consider 100% accurate. To often they tell us this is how it is rather than this is how it could be. If you have no hard evidence all you have is a theory so why present it as fact as they often do. As an info junkie I like to take in a lot. I don't believe of disbelieve anything I just consider info as probable or improbable. At the end of the day we each decide for ourselves. Anyway the ball is in her court and if i hear back from her again or see a source article I will post it here. Thanks for the feedback.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 98358 08-04-2012 07:32 AM

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Heard back she said source article coming soon. So I am looking forward to that.

I'm not sure whether to compliment you for questioning her ...

or criticize you for not realizing ahead of time that she will provide you with NO proof of her claims.

Everything about her screams "I pass off rumors, innuendo and fabrications as facts backed up by 'unnamed sources'."

I could never decide whether her documentaries are just the fun work of a not-very-discerning wannabe truthseeker or genuine disinfo.

If she provides me with no proof then her theory and credibility take a hit. I like her documentaries, but I certainly don't buy everything she says. Honestly there is not one of these truth movement writers,show hosts, or film makers I would consider 100% accurate. To often they tell us this is how it is rather than this is how it could be. If you have no hard evidence all you have is a theory so why present it as fact as they often do. As an info junkie I like to take in a lot. I don't believe of disbelieve anything I just consider info as probable or improbable. At the end of the day we each decide for ourselves. Anyway the ball is in her court and if i hear back from her again or see a source article I will post it here. Thanks for the feedback.

You make some excellent points. It took me several years to come to this conclusion, but I now believe at least 95% of the truth movement pundits are controlled in one form or another. That includes a lot of subcategories. One example would be those pundits who are so wacko that they don't present a threat to tptb. At the opposite end would be those that give out 100% truth, but always avoid mentioning the most important truths.

I agree that no one is 100% accurate. I would go one step farther and say that 95% are NOT honest brokers of information. That leaves only a handful that I am aware of who are the real deal, of which most are (not surprisingly) six feet under.

All that said, I believe I got much closer to the truth when I stopped listening to anyone who made claims they did not substantiate. Or anyone who was ever caught in a blatant lie. I gave huge bonus points to anyone who taught me something new that I could prove was true and which no one else was revealing.

At the end of the day I think I have a very good idea of who answers to whom. But I should clarify that when I say I "stopped listening" to certain types, I don't just mean I tuned them out. I mean that I literally refused to listen to anything they had to say. Time is a finite resource and I didn't want to spend mine allowing misinfo/disinfo to clutter my thinking.

One last point, because now I'm rambling. There is a sort of self-assurance exuded by those who truly know that they know what they are talking about. I think that applies in every sphere of life and not just conspiracy research. I always try to look for that, although being able to see it requires a fair amount of intuition, which most people just don't possess. I think P.T. Barnum had something to say about that.