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**Ahriman**

David Wrote:

By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

It is also a living meme that those who do not prescribe to christianity have it in for Yeshua ha Notzri as you say. A very living meme.

Not only religions. Countries, flags, your race, your football team. All of these have memes that have inscribed themselves into the collective unconscious. Ask people why they do certain things and most probably couldn't tell you. It's what was always done or everybody else is doing it. The meme has taken a life of it's own.

Whenever there are two more... is something a smartass once said. He was quite right. It's even more powerful when you two or more agree and write it all down as laws... or scriptures....

Jhikpghf

**GUANO** · (This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 09:31 AM by GUANO.)

RickRollD Wrote:

Pyramid Owl

nice, haha--I was actually thinking about putting a face in there myself.

**David**

LoP Guest Wrote:

David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

The new agers are in perfect agreement with the concept.

I don't know about that, because it seems as if there is a new breed of "New Agers" that seem to harbor a special resentment only toward Christianity, whereas when the movement first started it was a kind of eclectic, syncretistic movement that genuinely seemed to want to find what was good and useful in every tradtion. But that seems to have gone out the window with the youger crowd.

I think a good example is Acharya S. who seems to have some special antipathy for Christianity and her philopsophy (arugably New Age influenced) is markedly anti-Christian in tone.

There is a really negative tone there that took me a while to see myself. I think it is feeding off of some of the dysfunction in western society.

But, as always, there is no accounting of tastes.

**David**

Ahriman Wrote:

David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

It is also a living meme that those who do not prescribe to christianity have it in for Yeshua ha Notzri as you say. A very living meme.

Not only religions. Countries, flags, your race, your football team. All of these have memes that have inscribed themselves into the collective unconscious. Ask people why they do certain things and most probably couldn't tell you. It's what was always done or everybody else is doing it. The meme has taken a life of it's own.

Whenever there are two more... is something a smartass once said. He was quite right. It's even more powerful when you two or more agree and write it all down as laws... or scriptures....

Very obviously the Talmudists, for example, do not care for Yeshu.

But not everyone is going to dig the same things, right?

They have their own group soul thing going on, I believe.

**GUANO**

David Wrote:

By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

Yes, the concept applies to Christianity as well. These 'Religious & Cultural Egregores' are much larger than anything else on the planet and are actually the root-cause (parents) of all other egregoric 'beings'...

**GUANO**

Geogal Wrote:

pin for interesting info, and to bump your blog

I appreciate it, dunno how pin-worthy it is--but thanks anyways! ;)

**David**

GUANO Wrote:

David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

Yes, the concept applies to Christianity as well. These 'Religious & Cultural Egregores' are much larger than anything else on the planet and are actually the root-cause (parents) of all other egregoric 'beings'...

Mais bien sûr.

**GUANO**

Ahriman Wrote:

David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

It is also a living meme that those who do not prescribe to christianity have it in for Yeshua ha Notzri as you say. A very living meme.

Not only religions. Countries, flags, your race, your football team. All of these have memes that have inscribed themselves into the collective unconscious. Ask people why they do certain things and most probably couldn't tell you. It's what was always done or everybody else is doing it. The meme has taken a life of it's own.

Whenever there are two more... is something a smartass once said. He was quite right. It's even more powerful when you two or more agree and write it all down as laws... or scriptures....

You understand the concept behind it very well. It's pretty much a phenomena that's related to the cause and nature of all things... We can even say that we ourselves are 'like' egregores in that we are composed of groups of countless semi-conscious individual organisms which are responsible for our very being.

As I go through this study I will trace the origins of modern corporatism all the way back to the original 'Watchers' and their offspring the 'Nephilim'...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-23-2012 09:52 AM

GUANO Wrote:

I will be launching a new blog which will be dedicated to studying of the nature and origins as well as how to protect yourself from the influence of these dangerous, semi-conscious entities...

aren't you the one claiming the astrology signs have changed do to the procession of the equinoxes??

**GUANO**

David Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

Yes, the concept applies to Christianity as well. These 'Religious & Cultural Egregores' are much larger than anything else on the planet and are actually the root-cause (parents) of all other egregoric 'beings'...

Mais bien sûr.

In fact, the theories behind the modern corporation originate in Babylon—they were used to create Roman Catholicism, which in-turn created and promoted the two most influential 'egregores' of our time: democracy and economics. These two world-systems are both children of religion, and are religious in nature, but they have grown larger in influence than any religious movement to ever surface on the planet.

**David**

Looks like some credit should go to Victor Hugo:

The first author to adapt "egregore" in a modern language seems to be the French poet Victor Hugo, in La Légende des Siècles ("The Legend of the Ages"), First Series, 1859, where he uses the word "égrégore" (sic) first as an adjective, then as a noun, while leaving the meaning obscure.[2] The author seems to have intended simply to provide a word rhyming with both with "or" (gold) and "mandragore". It is not the only example of word creation by Victor Hugo.

Eliphas Lévi, in Le Grand Arcane ("The Great Mystery", 1868) identifies "egregors" (sic) with the tradition concerning the fathers of the nephilim, describing them as "terrible beings" that "crush us without pity because they are unaware of our existence."[3]

The concept of the egregore as a group thoughtform was developed in works of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore

Interesting -- the connection between "egregore" and gold and the mandrake.

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 78917 02-23-2012 10:00 AM

Good to see this topic pinned here.

Take this topic to the after-death plane where the egregore attracts the spirits of its believers and it gets even more interesting.

The best exposition on the concept that I've read is Kyle Griffith's "War in Heaven", published around 1989 and free to read online last I checked. He argues that the old human sacrifice cults were feeding the egregores formed by the spirits of the believers, e.g. the energy of the sacrificial victim was sucked up by the egregore, which was also sucking up the energies of the crowds watching the sacrifice. The spirits of the religion's believers and practitioners went to swell the egregore when they died. The Aztecs took it to an extreme; Bernal Diaz who traveled with Cortez recorded that 15,000 freshly flayed skulls were on display on racks in Tenochtitlan when Cortez entered. Griffith also says that when the Spanish shut down the human sacrifices, the egregores "wandered" away looking for "souls" to feed upon, which gave rise to the Windigo legends in the North. Eventually those egregores dissipated from lack of "food".

It's arguable that the Talmudists have the longest-running and perhaps most powerful egregore active on the planet and adjacent realms today.

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
I will be launching a new blog which will be dedicated to studying of the nature and origins as well as how to protect yourself from the influence of these dangerous, semi-conscious entities...

aren't you the one claiming the astrology signs have changed do to the procession of the equinoxes??

Depending on what 'system' is used to determine the 'sign'...

There are some accurate systems out there, but by and in large, they are somewhat inaccurate. I could care less about astrology though, honestly. I don't read signs or anything of that nature, I just study the methodology and logic behind it all as it relates to the overall nature of things...

**Ahriman**

GUANO Wrote:

Ahriman Wrote:
David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

It is also a living meme that those who do not prescribe to christianity have it in for Yeshua ha Notzri as you say. A very living meme.

Not only religions. Countries, flags, your race, your football team. All of these have memes that have inscribed themselves into the collective unconscious. Ask people why they do certain things and most probably couldn't tell you. It's what was always done or everybody else is doing it. The meme has taken a life of it's own.

Whenever there are two more... is something a smartass once said. He was quite right. It's even more powerful when you two or more agree and write it all down as laws... or scriptures....

You understand the concept behind it very well. It's pretty much a phenomena that's related to the cause and nature of all things... We can even say that we ourselves are 'like' egregores in that we are composed of groups of countless semi-conscious individual organisms which are responsible for our very being.

As I go through this study I will trace the origins of modern corporatism all the way back to the original 'Watchers' and their offspring the 'Nephilim'...

Somehow I knew that was where you were headed. chuckle

We talked before about the kabbalah & golems. That a golem is a 'living being' (read: beast) made up from the body parts of others... i.e. a corporation. chuckle

I look forward to what you'll post. I dig history.

Heartflowers

**GUANO**

mstra Wrote:

Good to see this topic pinned here.

Take this topic to the after-death plane where the egregore attracts the spirits of its believers and it gets even more interesting.

The best exposition on the concept that I've read is Kyle Griffith's "War in Heaven", published around 1989 and free to read online last I checked. He argues that the old human sacrifice cults were feeding the egregores formed by the spirits of the believers, e.g. the energy of the sacrificial victim was sucked up by the egregore, which was also sucking up the energies of the crowds watching the sacrifice. The spirits of the religion's believers and practitioners went to swell the egregore when they died. The Aztecs took it to an extreme; Bernal Diaz who traveled with Cortez recorded that 15,000 freshly flayed skulls were on display on racks in Tenochtitlan when Cortez entered. Griffith also says that when the Spanish shut down the human sacrifices, the egregores "wandered" away looking for "souls" to feed upon, which gave rise to the Windigo legends in the North. Eventually those egregores dissipated from lack of "food".

It's arguable that the Talmudists have the longest-running and perhaps most powerful egregore active on the planet and adjacent realms today.

I'll have to check out that book. Regardless, that is exactly how I understand it. The 'egregores' will feed off any type of 'sacrifice'—it is not the sacrifice itself, it's the 'regard' of it's 'member' which the entity feeds on.

And which egregore is the 'Talmudists'?