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Introduction to the Egregore
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RE: Introduction to the Egregore
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GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:01 AM)
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GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 03:10 AM)
I will be launching a new blog which will be dedicated to studying of the nature and origins as well as how to protect yourself from the influence of these dangerous, semi-conscious entities...


aren't you the one claiming the astrology signs have changed do to the procession of the equinoxes??

Depending on what 'system' is used to determine the 'sign'...

There are some accurate systems out there, but by and in large, they are somewhat inaccurate. I could care less about astrology though, honestly. I don't read signs or anything of that nature, I just study the methodology and logic behind it all as it relates to the overall nature of things...

inaccurate based on what ??

you claimed because it was a 3,000 year old system that such a system has to keep track of all 3,000 years....

a semi-conscious statement at best, as anyone with basic knowledge of astrology knows that the system resets each and every year

but yes, the point isn't astrology--

point is, you act as a judge, yet you have no authority to act in such a capacity, why is that ??
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The Ghost of David Carradine
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Post: #32
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
Levi on the mandrake, the "android", and the magnetic subject:

Extract from Chapter XVI, Witchcraft and Spells: Transcendental Magic its Doctrine and Ritual by Eliphas Levi. A Complete Translation of Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie by Arthur Edward Waite. 1896


... we will add a few words about mandragores (mandrakes) and androids, which several writers on magic confound with the waxen image; serving the purposes of bewitchment. The natural mandragore is a filamentous root which, more or less, presents as a whole either the figure of a man, or that of the virile members. It is slightly narcotic, and an aphrodisiacal virtue was ascribed to it by the ancients, who represented it as being sought by Thessalian sorcerers for the composition of philtres. Is this root the umbilical vestige of our terrestrial origin ? We dare not seriously affirm it, but all the same it is certain that man came out of the slime of the earth, and his first appearance must have been in the form of a rough sketch. The analogies of nature make this notion necessarily admissible, at least as a possibility. The first men were, in this case, a family of gigantic, sensitive mandragores, animated by the sun, who rooted themselves up from the earth ; this assumption not only does not exclude, but, on the contrary, positively supposes, creative will and the providential co-operation of a first cause, which we have reason to call God. Some alchemists, impressed by this idea, speculated on the culture of the mandragore, and experimented in the artificial reproduction of a soil sufficiently fruitful and a sun sufficiently active to humanise the said root, and thus create men without the concurrence of the female. (See: Homunculus) Others, who regarded humanity as the synthesis of animals, despaired about vitalising the mandragore, but they crossed monstrous pairs and projected human seed into animal earth, only for the production of shameful crimes and barren deformities. The third method of making the android was by galvanic machinery. One of these almost intelligent automata was attributed to Albertus Magnus, and it is said that St Thomas (Thomas Aquinas) destroyed it with one blow from a stick because he was perplexed by its answers. This story is an allegory; the android was primitive scholasticism, which was broken by the Summa of St Thomas, the daring innovator who first substituted the absolute law of reason for arbitrary divinity, by formulating that axiom which we cannot repeat too often, since it comes from such a master: " A thing is not just because God wills it, but God wills it because it is just. " The real and serious android of the ancients was a secret which they kept hidden from all eyes, and Mesmer was the first who dared to divulge it; it was the extension of the will of the magus into another body, organised and served by an elementary spirit; in more modern and intelligible terms, it was a magnetic subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrake_(plant)
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Post: #33
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
Ahriman  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:02 AM)
Somehow I knew that was where you were headed. chuckle We talked before about the kabbalah & golems. That a golem is a 'living being' (read: beast) made up from the body parts of others... i.e. a corporation. chuckle

I look forward to what you'll post. I dig history.


Heartflowers

They can be compared to many things. The prophets in the Bible describe them as "Beasts". Various unrelated prophets indeed gave an accurate timeline for the rise and fall of the worlds most powerful 'egregores' in the form of 'empires' throughout history. Revelation leads us right up to the point where we are today, being ruled by a "False Prophet-Beast" which forces us upon pain of death to worship the "Image" of an earlier "Beast" which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

... Total Protonic Reversal
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The Ghost of David Carradine
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RE: Introduction to the Egregore
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:20 AM)
Ahriman  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:02 AM)
Somehow I knew that was where you were headed. chuckle We talked before about the kabbalah & golems. That a golem is a 'living being' (read: beast) made up from the body parts of others... i.e. a corporation. chuckle

I look forward to what you'll post. I dig history.


Heartflowers

They can be compared to many things. The prophets in the Bible describe them as "Beasts". Various unrelated prophets indeed gave an accurate timeline for the rise and fall of the worlds most powerful 'egregores' in the form of 'empires' throughout history. Revelation leads us right up to the point where we are today, being ruled by a "False Prophet-Beast" which forces us upon pain of death to worship the "Image" of an earlier "Beast" which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

W.B. Yeats 1919
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Post: #35
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:14 AM)
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:01 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:52 AM)
aren't you the one claiming the astrology signs have changed do to the procession of the equinoxes??

Depending on what 'system' is used to determine the 'sign'...

There are some accurate systems out there, but by and in large, they are somewhat inaccurate. I could care less about astrology though, honestly. I don't read signs or anything of that nature, I just study the methodology and logic behind it all as it relates to the overall nature of things...

inaccurate based on what ??

you claimed because it was a 3,000 year old system that such a system has to keep track of all 3,000 years....

a semi-conscious statement at best, as anyone with basic knowledge of astrology knows that the system resets each and every year

but yes, the point isn't astrology--

point is, you act as a judge, yet you have no authority to act in such a capacity, why is that ??

We all judge the information that is presented to us. It's the very nature of our being. I have the authority to determine the cause and nature of the information I'm being presented--Hell, that's probably the only authority I can exercise in this life. Perhaps you'd just like to let someone do all the 'deciding' for you?

I'll stick what I've said previously: the 3,000 year old Babylonian system must compensate for a previously unknown celestial movement that occurs as the earth passes the plain of the ecliptic... They did not understand this concept and as such their 'model' is slightly inaccurate--over time it becomes more inaccurate. As mentioned, there are accurate systems that are up to date...

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Post: #36
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:20 AM)
forces us upon pain of death to worship the "Image" of an earlier "Beast" which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

pain of death ????

please....man you sure like to 'spice it up' a bit don't you....


the image is the first digit of the long count western Gregorian Calender....

it was a one, now it is a two

1999 - 2000....

Genesis 1:1
In the Beginning God created two

now turn that '2' digit 90 degrees clockwise....and see the high heel shoe
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Post: #37
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:32 AM)
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:20 AM)
forces us upon pain of death to worship the "Image" of an earlier "Beast" which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

pain of death ????

please....man you sure like to 'spice it up' a bit don't you....


the image is the first digit of the long count western Gregorian Calender....

it was a one, now it is a two

1999 - 2000....

Genesis 1:1
In the Beginning God created two

now turn that '2' digit 90 degrees clockwise....and see the high heel shoe

Spice it up? I'm not defining 'the image' as the gregorian calendar.

... Total Protonic Reversal
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Post: #38
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:55 AM)
David  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:45 AM)
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:37 AM)
Yes, the concept applies to Christianity as well. These 'Religious & Cultural Egregores' are much larger than anything else on the planet and are actually the root-cause (parents) of all other egregoric 'beings'...

Mais bien sûr.

In fact, the theories behind the modern corporation originate in Babylon—they were used to create Roman Catholicism, which in-turn created and promoted the two most influential 'egregores' of our time: democracy and economics. These two world-systems are both children of religion, and are religious in nature, but they have grown larger in influence than any religious movement to ever surface on the planet.
Great comments so far and thread 5* -- excellent subject.
Gotta hit the hay Guano, but I'd like to throw some of what I've been reading into your egregore thread and hopefully some will be applicable.
I will look forward with interest to your pursuit of this subject.

One major theme I have run across that has tied together many ideas I have read and pondered is what is held beneath the Tigris and Euphrates.

_______________

"Chapter 1: Azazel‘s Descent

―Behind the veil of all the hieratic and mystical allegories of ancient doctrines, behind the darkness and strange ordeals of all initiations, under the seal of all sacred writings, in the ruins of Nineveh or Thebes, on the crumbling stones of old temples and on the blackened visage of the Assyrian or Egyptian sphinx, in the monstrous or marvelous paintings which interpret to the faithful of India the inspired pages of the Vedas, in the cryptic emblems of our old books on alchemy, in the ceremonies practiced at reception by all secret societies, there are found indications of a doctrine which is everywhere the same and everywhere carefully concealed.
‖-Eliphas Levi in the
Introduction
to his Dogmaet Rituel de la Haute Magie (Transcendental Magic, its Doctrine and Ritual, circa. 1855 A.D.)

...value for men to remember that They are in physical existence (the angels are incarnate), and to bear in mind that
They (angels) exist upon this planet with us, controlling its destinies
,guiding its affairs, and leading all its evolutions on to an ultimate perfection. The central home of this Hierarchy is at Shamballa, a centre in the Gobidesert (gobi means ―desert‖), called in the ancient books the ―WhiteIsland.‖ (It derives its name from the place in the desert where Azazelis located, which is called ―The Island‖ by Arabs, being situated as it is between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers)"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/45898784/The-F...het-Azazel

"This is a classic tenant of demonology. Spirits go where they are invited, whether to possess an individual or to take dominion over a region. One could contend therefore that starting in 2001, the United States became so disposed in following and not challenging unprecedented changes to longstanding U.S. policies including the Christian rules for just war, that a powerful force known to the Illuminati as the "Moriah Conquering Wind," a.k.a. "the Angel in the Whirlwind" accepted the administration’s invitation and enthroned itself in the nation’s capital. Immediately after, it cast it’s eyes on the ancient home of the Bab-Illi, Babylon, where the coveted ‘Gate of the Illi’ had opened once before."
http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/re...on-555871/

Throwing this in because it has some interesting aspects to the egregore of technology and trans-humanism. And the link has a chronological array of interesting info.

A New Paradigm - Integration of Human-Animal-Machine!
"As outlined in this research, the power operating behind this scheme to integrate human-animal-machine interfaces in order to reengineer humanity is not new. The ancient, malevolent force is repackaging itself these days as the forward-thinking and enlightened progress needed for the next step in human evolution.
Facing god-like machines and man’s willingness to cross over species and extra-dimensional barriers put in place by God (or if you prefer, evolution), traditional methods of spiritual warfare, which religious institutions have relied on for the last century, will be monumentally impacted in nontraditional ways and insufficient when approaching this threshold."
http://arcticcompass.blogspot.com/2010/0...human.html

"The unexamined life is not worth living."--Socrates"
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."
— Søren Kierkegaard
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Post: #39
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:05 AM)
There is absolutely no reason to mystify the operation of collective mind chartered toward a specific intent and purpose.

In fact you do a disservice if you do so.

Do not veil egregore. Show its history. Show how religions are egregore.

Show how they have evolved. Show how they operate in the secular world as corporations.

The point is to de-mystify--and hopefully show people how our entire 'secular' culture and society is primarily based on 'religious ideology' and 'mysticism'... Hopefully people will then wake up to see that the ancient myths are nothing but stories used to explain the very real cause and nature of things that exist.

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RE: Introduction to the Egregore
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:40 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:32 AM)
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:20 AM)
forces us upon pain of death to worship the "Image" of an earlier "Beast" which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

pain of death ????

please....man you sure like to 'spice it up' a bit don't you....


the image is the first digit of the long count western Gregorian Calender....

it was a one, now it is a two

1999 - 2000....

Genesis 1:1
In the Beginning God created two

now turn that '2' digit 90 degrees clockwise....and see the high heel shoe

Spice it up? I'm not defining 'the image' as the gregorian calendar.

you stated:

which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

what is the source for this 'millennium' you speak of ??
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Post: #41
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
Johntaraz  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:46 AM)
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:55 AM)
David  Wrote: (02-23-2012 09:45 AM)
Mais bien sûr.

In fact, the theories behind the modern corporation originate in Babylon—they were used to create Roman Catholicism, which in-turn created and promoted the two most influential 'egregores' of our time: democracy and economics. These two world-systems are both children of religion, and are religious in nature, but they have grown larger in influence than any religious movement to ever surface on the planet.
Great comments so far and thread 5* -- excellent subject.
Gotta hit the hay Guano, but I'd like to throw some of what I've been reading into your egregore thread and hopefully some will be applicable.
I will look forward with interest to your pursuit of this subject.

One major theme I have run across that has tied together many ideas I have read and pondered is what is held beneath the Tigris and Euphrates.

_______________

"Chapter 1: Azazel‘s Descent

―Behind the veil of all the hieratic and mystical allegories of ancient doctrines, behind the darkness and strange ordeals of all initiations, under the seal of all sacred writings, in the ruins of Nineveh or Thebes, on the crumbling stones of old temples and on the blackened visage of the Assyrian or Egyptian sphinx, in the monstrous or marvelous paintings which interpret to the faithful of India the inspired pages of the Vedas, in the cryptic emblems of our old books on alchemy, in the ceremonies practiced at reception by all secret societies, there are found indications of a doctrine which is everywhere the same and everywhere carefully concealed.
‖-Eliphas Levi in the
Introduction
to his Dogmaet Rituel de la Haute Magie (Transcendental Magic, its Doctrine and Ritual, circa. 1855 A.D.)

...value for men to remember that They are in physical existence (the angels are incarnate), and to bear in mind that
They (angels) exist upon this planet with us, controlling its destinies
,guiding its affairs, and leading all its evolutions on to an ultimate perfection. The central home of this Hierarchy is at Shamballa, a centre in the Gobidesert (gobi means ―desert‖), called in the ancient books the ―WhiteIsland.‖ (It derives its name from the place in the desert where Azazelis located, which is called ―The Island‖ by Arabs, being situated as it is between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers)"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/45898784/The-F...het-Azazel

"This is a classic tenant of demonology. Spirits go where they are invited, whether to possess an individual or to take dominion over a region. One could contend therefore that starting in 2001, the United States became so disposed in following and not challenging unprecedented changes to longstanding U.S. policies including the Christian rules for just war, that a powerful force known to the Illuminati as the "Moriah Conquering Wind," a.k.a. "the Angel in the Whirlwind" accepted the administration’s invitation and enthroned itself in the nation’s capital. Immediately after, it cast it’s eyes on the ancient home of the Bab-Illi, Babylon, where the coveted ‘Gate of the Illi’ had opened once before."
http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/re...on-555871/

Throwing this in because it has some interesting aspects to the egregore of technology and trans-humanism. And the link has a chronological array of interesting info.

A New Paradigm - Integration of Human-Animal-Machine!
"As outlined in this research, the power operating behind this scheme to integrate human-animal-machine interfaces in order to reengineer humanity is not new. The ancient, malevolent force is repackaging itself these days as the forward-thinking and enlightened progress needed for the next step in human evolution.
Facing god-like machines and man’s willingness to cross over species and extra-dimensional barriers put in place by God (or if you prefer, evolution), traditional methods of spiritual warfare, which religious institutions have relied on for the last century, will be monumentally impacted in nontraditional ways and insufficient when approaching this threshold."
http://arcticcompass.blogspot.com/2010/0...human.html

This is all very well related. As far as the Tigris and Euphrates, they are often used as 'symbols'--so to determine what is beneath them, you must first know what they are.

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RE: Introduction to the Egregore
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:51 AM)
you stated:

which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

what is the source for this 'millennium' you speak of ??

This "Beast" i mention ruled the known world for 1,260 years--not a literal millennium.

... Total Protonic Reversal
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Post: #43
RE: Introduction to the Egregore
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 03:20 AM)
I'll also be creating a lot of my own art for this (like the one above) in order to help illustrate the concepts.


Oh man, I cant wait to see this production. (eye rolly thing)
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RE: Introduction to the Egregore
Why does modern 'Christianity' claim the Christ story as their own?

Wouldn't the possibility of humanity having a complete global Egregore be more probable if folks could really figure out how all that ancient knowledge is supposed to bring folks together in Love as opposed to making claims and drawing lines in the sand and fighting over who is right and who is wrong? Seems to me folks who are willing to do that don't get it.

Imagine that, folks actually learning to agree on something. I think it should be fairly obvious that we all live on One planet and most of us don't like to be aggressed against. Two things in common right there. I'd be willing to bet most people on the planet understand the golden rule.

Anyway, this should be interesting.

I like the way you present stuff Guano.

Popcorn

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RE: Introduction to the Egregore
GUANO  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:56 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-23-2012 10:51 AM)
you stated:

which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

what is the source for this 'millennium' you speak of ??

This "Beast" i mention ruled the known world for 1,260 years--not a literal millennium.

as in the past ??

it already occurred ??
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