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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 74894 02-23-2012 11:05 AM

LOL I'm glad you gave this matter it's own thread Guano :-)

[creating more egregores? ;-D ]

Basically this gives confirmation to the concept that Mind manifests Matter. And that Belief is a real power/force.

to be initially irreverent, this brings to mind Terry Pratchett:

“You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-23-2012 11:06 AM

synchromystiman Wrote:

Two things in common right there. I'd be willing to bet most people on the planet understand the golden rule.

yes....Golden Rule

GUANO claims that some are "dangerous, semi-conscious entities..."

and with the Golden Rule, GUANO can be considered a "dangerous, semi-conscious entity..."

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
you stated:

which ruled the 'known' world for over a millennium...

what is the source for this 'millennium' you speak of ??

This "Beast" i mention ruled the known world for 1,260 years--not a literal millennium.

as in the past ??

it already occurred ??

In my opinion, it has--that is another subject altogether. In my opinion, we are in the final stage in which the "False Prophet" and the "Image of the first Beast" are the major players. The "Beast" itself still exists but is no longer a full-fledged 'empire'. It is in the final stages of it's lifecycle.

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LOL I'm glad you gave this matter it's own thread Guano :-)

[creating more egregores? ;-D ]

Basically this gives confirmation to the concept that Mind manifests Matter. And that Belief is a real power/force.

to be initially irreverent, this brings to mind Terry Pratchett:

“You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

nice quote =P

**Intentionally Blank** lop guest User ID: 79716 02-23-2012 11:11 AM

Thank yoou SOooo much for posting this thread. I was too scared to do the same myself. I very much look forward to your blog.

Hugs

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-23-2012 11:17 AM

GUANO Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
GUANO Wrote:
This "Beast" i mention ruled the known world for 1,260 years--not a literal millennium.

as in the past ??

it already occurred ??

In my opinion, it has--that is another subject altogether. In my opinion, we are in the final stage in which the "False Prophet" and the "Image of the first Beast" are the major players. The "Beast" itself still exists but is no longer a full-fledged 'empire'. It is in the final stages of it's lifecycle.

what of Revelations 11:3 ??

And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

since it was Jesus Christ who granted the authority for the 1,260 days, is Jesus Christ the "False Prophet" you speak of ??

**David**

GUANO Wrote:

David Wrote:
GUANO Wrote:
Yes, the concept applies to Christianity as well. These 'Religious & Cultural Egregores' are much larger than anything else on the planet and are actually the root-cause (parents) of all other egregoric 'beings'...

Mais bien sûr.

In fact, the theories behind the modern corporation originate in Babylon—they were used to create Roman Catholicism, which in-turn created and promoted the two most influential 'egregores' of our time: democracy and economics. These two world-systems are both children of religion, and are religious in nature, but they have grown larger in influence than any religious movement to ever surface on the planet.

Well, I'm rather fond of democracy -- in principle. As for economics as it is generally visualized currently, less so.

And bigger they may be, but possibly more illusory.

What the corporation is, of course, is a state --- upon which it was modeled. As such, they have become even more powerful than states since their origin in the seventeenth century Netherlands in their modern form. The closest thing to them to have existed prior to that were probably medieval monastic institutions and guilds. These guilds were religious organizations as well. So, your point is somewhat valid.

And religio was itself a state insitution in the Roman Empire. So, I tend to view the state as being the "origin" of these "egregores": "democracy", "economics" (capitalism), and the corporation.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 79813 02-23-2012 11:23 AM

Memetics is a controversial theory of mental content based on an analogy with Darwinian evolution, originating from the popularization of Richard Dawkins' 1976 book The Selfish Gene.[1] It purports to be an approach to evolutionary models of cultural information transfer.
The meme, analogous to a gene, was conceived as a "unit of culture" (an idea, belief, pattern of behaviour, etc.) which is "hosted" in one or more individual minds, and which can reproduce itself, thereby jumping from mind to mind. Thus what would otherwise be regarded as one individual influencing another to adopt a belief is seen—when adopting the intentional stance[1][2]—as an idea-replicator reproducing itself in a new host. As with genetics, particularly under a Dawkinsian interpretation, a meme's success may be due to its contribution to the effectiveness of its host.
Memetics is also notable for sidestepping the traditional concern with the truth of ideas and beliefs. Instead, it is interested in their success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics

Systems theory is the interdisciplinary study of systems in general, with the goal of elucidating principles that can be applied to all types of systems at all nesting levels in all fields of research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_theory

Reductionism can mean either (a) an approach to understanding the nature of complex things by reducing them to the interactions of their parts, or to simpler or more fundamental things or (b) a philosophical position that a complex system is nothing but the sum of its parts, and that an account of it can be reduced to accounts of individual constituents.[1] This can be said of objects, phenomena, explanations, theories, and meanings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductionism

In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions. Emergence is central to the theories of integrative levels and of complex systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergentism

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
as in the past ??

it already occurred ??

In my opinion, it has--that is another subject altogether. In my opinion, we are in the final stage in which the "False Prophet" and the "Image of the first Beast" are the major players. The "Beast" itself still exists but is no longer a full-fledged 'empire'. It is in the final stages of it's lifecycle.

what of Revelations 11:3 ??

And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

since it was Jesus Christ who granted the authority for the 1,260 days, is Jesus Christ the "False Prophet" you speak of ??

I'm referring to Revelation 13:5... 42 months = 1,260 days for a person, but for an egregore it's years.

Same time period, but no, Jesus is not the False Prophet. The two Witnesses though are Egregores.

**David**

GUANO Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
GUANO Wrote:
In my opinion, it has--that is another subject altogether. In my opinion, we are in the final stage in which the "False Prophet" and the "Image of the first Beast" are the major players. The "Beast" itself still exists but is no longer a full-fledged 'empire'. It is in the final stages of it's lifecycle.

what of Revelations 11:3 ??

And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

since it was Jesus Christ who granted the authority for the 1,260 days, is Jesus Christ the "False Prophet" you speak of ??

I'm referring to Revelation 13:5... 42 months = 1,260 days for a person, but for an egregore it's years.

Same time period, but no, Jesus is not the False Prophet. The two Witnesses though are Egregores.

Yes, they are memes: Johsua and Zerubabbel, the two olive trees, the two candlesticks.

They are not necessarily men.

That would be the literal interpretation.

**GUANO**

David Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
David Wrote:
Mais bien sûr.

In fact, the theories behind the modern corporation originate in Babylon—they were used to create Roman Catholicism, which in-turn created and promoted the two most influential 'egregores' of our time: democracy and economics. These two world-systems are both children of religion, and are religious in nature, but they have grown larger in influence than any religious movement to ever surface on the planet.

Well, I'm rather fond of democracy -- in principle. As for economics as it is generally visualized currently, less so.

And bigger they may be, but possibly more illusory.

What the corporation is, of course, is a state --- upon which it was modeled. As such, they have become even more powerful than states since their origin in the seventeenth century Netherlands in their modern form. The closest thing to them to have existed prior to that were probably medieval monastic institutions and guilds. These guilds were religious organizations as well. So, your point is somewhat valid.

And religio was itself a state insitution in the Roman Empire. So, I tend to view the state as being the "origin" of these "egregores": "democracy", "economics" (capitalism), and the corporation.

Democracy is based on the religious idea that the Supreme God is the 'state'. Pantheism is the idea that 'the nature' (state of being under any given circumstance) is God. That is how democracy works. This is the most thriving psychic state for the spread of egregores.

Kingdoms/Principalities are likewise based on various religious concepts depending on the specific type of government structure. Many ancient kings (of which Kim Jong may have been the last) were thought of as the 'embodiment of the state'--many were worshiped as gods. In ancient writings they are often called 'stars' which has forever since been associated with prominent people.

**GUANO**

All government structures come from things which seem to be inherent within our very psyche...

The only reason we have 'governments' or 'laws' is because we believe as a collective that 'governments' and 'laws' are ultimately responsible for life.

The only reason we have 'economics' is because we 'judge' things. We weigh and balance the 'value' of things within our mind. Even animals 'size-up' their opponent--this is where economics comes from--the idea that we live in a Dog-Eat-Dog world...

Perhaps even the idea that we live in a Dog-Eat-Dog world is ultimately responsible for the 'state' of that world?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 79813 02-23-2012 12:13 PM

Any chance we might get more primal?

Where does the need for a god or King stem from?

Both these ideas are rather complex systems already in place.

What is their root?

What is a king, and why did that thought or meme grow?

**GUANO**

David Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
what of Revelations 11:3 ??

And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

since it was Jesus Christ who granted the authority for the 1,260 days, is Jesus Christ the "False Prophet" you speak of ??

I'm referring to Revelation 13:5... 42 months = 1,260 days for a person, but for an egregore it's years.

Same time period, but no, Jesus is not the False Prophet. The two Witnesses though are Egregores.

Yes, they are memes: Johsua and Zerubabbel, the two olive trees, the two candlesticks.

They are not necessarily men.

That would be the literal interpretation.

The Two Anointed Ones stand before the God of the earth... They are not two humans, try hundreds of thousands if not millions of humans. Think of the constant theme of the 'branches' which Jesus uses to identify the branches within the organization of 'His Body'...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-23-2012 01:07 PM

GUANO Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
GUANO Wrote:
In my opinion, it has--that is another subject altogether. In my opinion, we are in the final stage in which the "False Prophet" and the "Image of the first Beast" are the major players. The "Beast" itself still exists but is no longer a full-fledged 'empire'. It is in the final stages of it's lifecycle.

what of Revelations 11:3 ??

And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

since it was Jesus Christ who granted the authority for the 1,260 days, is Jesus Christ the "False Prophet" you speak of ??

I'm referring to Revelation 13:5... 42 months = 1,260 days for a person, but for an egregore it's years.

Same time period, but no, Jesus is not the False Prophet. The two Witnesses though are Egregores.

so what is the source of the '1,260 years' then ??