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**GUANO**

mstra Wrote:

I think some terms need to be defined here. An egregore is not a meme or a mind-virus that infects people's heads, it is an agglomeration of spirits of the dead on the astral plane, spirits that have been attracted to the core founder after their death. It's an ancient way for an entity to attain a sort of immortality on that plane, by starting a cult of personality during their physical lifetime.

Egregores feed on the emotional energy of their cult followers during the followers' physical lifetime, and after death the spirit of the follower becomes part of the egregore and part of the the group mind feeding on the living.

Even defined in this way, the 'meme' is still an agent of the Egregore and thus part of of it's sphere of influence.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 65790 02-28-2012 05:22 AM

I've been still trying to get a grasp of this concept
of the egregore.

It has this quality of being both alive and dead, doesn't it?

So, last night I dreamed of a dead woman who came back
to life as a zombie. She was attracted to me for some reason
and wouldn't depart. This was a hideous dream to have, since
she was definitely both stone cold dead, and alive in a sense.

I believe my unconscious was presenting a personification
of the egregore concept; as they are intimately connected to us, somewhat alive, and yet not consciously alive.

Brrr, strange dream.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14571 04-14-2012 10:18 PM

David Wrote:

By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.

By logic "Jesus" is the egregor, Christ is the direct Ray of Being that emanates from the Creator Source.

"Jesus" Yah'shua was Christened by God with Godness at the river Jordan

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14571 04-14-2012 10:42 PM

SpeaRitual Wrote:

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Poor sloth-molerat-bear! He just wants to feel the wind under his stubs!

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

I've been still trying to get a grasp of this concept
of the egregore.

It has this quality of being both alive and dead, doesn't it?

So, last night I dreamed of a dead woman who came back
to life as a zombie. She was attracted to me for some reason
and wouldn't depart. This was a hideous dream to have, since
she was definitely both stone cold dead, and alive in a sense.

I believe my unconscious was presenting a personification
of the egregore concept; as they are intimately connected to us, somewhat alive, and yet not consciously alive.

Brrr, strange dream.

Sounds pretty revealing and I believe you are correct... The egregore can be spoken to personally using sorcery which makes many think they are 'singular entities' but my take on that is it is controlled self-hypnosis and the mind constructs an alternate personality within your psyche which is the 'egregore' and then you converse with it... That's about how all summoning is achieved (so says alestair crowley)... No wonder many of them end up with MPD...

**goldenfleeced**

LoP Guest Wrote:

David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.
By logic "Jesus" is the egregor, Christ is the direct Ray of Being that emanates from the Creator Source.

"Jesus" Yah'shua was Christened by God with Godness at the river Jordan

I have been doing some reading on the concept of the Egregore and, I don't think that anyone has a firm notion of what this means... perhaps I am still off, but here is part of my current understanding...

The man Jesus became an Egregore, by the time of his 33rd year; it is not exactly a 'group soul,' but rather the immensely strong soul that becomes a director of souls... a shepherd, in a sense... the Egregore becomes the 'soul' of the world at the time of its manifestation, due to its strong identification with the spirit of 'God' with which it has infused itself. As Jesus said, 'I and the Father are One...' The strength of the Spirit within himself was obviously able to direct or affect the souls of everyone around him, for better or worse, and his words (or at least, the words that are attributed to him) continue to affect souls.

In the same way that he became an Egregore for 'good,' or filled with 'goodness,' there are others who are able to manifest this same power for 'evil,' since it is One Spirit, after all... this is 'overcoming,' in the spiritual realm. It is more than a mere 'meme;' it is most definitely a manifestation of the One Mind, or a Logos. And this Logos is creative... it cannot help being so; it will manifest itself in the world.

For better or worse. And of course... I could be wrong, but I have taken this from others who spent years on the idea. It is worth consideration, at the least, I would think.

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.
By logic "Jesus" is the egregor, Christ is the direct Ray of Being that emanates from the Creator Source.

"Jesus" Yah'shua was Christened by God with Godness at the river Jordan

I would say the egregores in christianity are artificially created entities (church denominations) complete with a 'constitution' (creed) which usually defines the nature of the egregore spirit in control of the corporation (and by incorporating under a 501c3, you are bewitched into granting leadership of the church to the 'state' as opposed to 'Jesus the King')... The 'body of christ' is a non-human recognized corporate body--it doesn't exist because people 'observe' it like your standard egregoric corporate body--it exists because 'God' observes it...

The modern corporation as legal sorcery was sold to the christians based on the biblical reference to the body of christ--however, the modern corporation is blasphemous in nature and created directly by the 'antichrist' egregore through the Pope and is straight up based on babylonian 'legal' sorcery in which you write something down on a piece of paper or stone and and say 'it's on paper now, so it exists!'--'regard it as authority (a god)'...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14571 04-14-2012 11:18 PM

goldenfleeced Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.
By logic "Jesus" is the egregor, Christ is the direct Ray of Being that emanates from the Creator Source.

"Jesus" Yah'shua was Christened by God with Godness at the river Jordan

I have been doing some reading on the concept of the Egregore and, I don't think that anyone has a firm notion of what this means... perhaps I am still off, but here is part of my current understanding...

The man Jesus became an Egregore, by the time of his 33rd year; it is not exactly a 'group soul,' but rather the immensely strong soul that becomes a director of souls... a shepherd, in a sense... the Egregore becomes the 'soul' of the world at the time of its manifestation, due to its strong identification with the spirit of 'God' with which it has infused itself. As Jesus said, 'I and the Father are One...' The strength of the Spirit within himself was obviously able to direct or affect the souls of everyone around him, for better or worse, and his words (or at least, the words that are attributed to him) continue to affect souls.

In the same way that he became an Egregore for 'good,' or filled with 'goodness,' there are others who are able to manifest this same power for 'evil,' since it is One Spirit, after all... this is 'overcoming,' in the spiritual realm. It is more than a mere 'meme;' it is most definitely a manifestation of the One Mind, or a Logos. And this Logos is creative... it cannot help being so; it will manifest itself in the world.

For better or worse. And of course... I could be wrong, but I have taken this from others who spent years on the idea. It is worth consideration, at the least, I would think.

Very interesting thoughts, thanks!

On the point of Jesus, my research lead me to find we started using that transliteration of his name about 500 years ago.

And the crux of that is this: "Jesus" and the subsequent mythos states that Jesus the man image/Son of God, saves. While the original name, the one that everyone call him by while alive was Yah'shua which means directly "God, the Father, saves."

If the bible was true to the Spirit, his name would be transliterated as Joshua.

So "Jesus" would then be the ground work for the anti-christ doctrine...which Yahshua also warned about!

**GUANO**

goldenfleeced Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
David Wrote:
By that logic, Christ would be an "egregore" -- and a very powerful one as Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and "Jesus" or "Isa" is acknowledged as a "messiah" in Islam as well.

Two billion or more people with a very special connection to this meme.

So, "Jesus" would necessarily be a sort of "group soul".

The "body of Christ" as a "group soul"?

Uh oh, the anti-Christian "New Agers" aren't going to like that!

Good thing not all New Agers have it in for old Yeshu ha Notzri.
By logic "Jesus" is the egregor, Christ is the direct Ray of Being that emanates from the Creator Source.

"Jesus" Yah'shua was Christened by God with Godness at the river Jordan

I have been doing some reading on the concept of the Egregore and, I don't think that anyone has a firm notion of what this means... perhaps I am still off, but here is part of my current understanding...

The man Jesus became an Egregore, by the time of his 33rd year; it is not exactly a 'group soul,' but rather the immensely strong soul that becomes a director of souls... a shepherd, in a sense... the Egregore becomes the 'soul' of the world at the time of its manifestation, due to its strong identification with the spirit of 'God' with which it has infused itself. As Jesus said, 'I and the Father are One...' The strength of the Spirit within himself was obviously able to direct or affect the souls of everyone around him, for better or worse, and his words (or at least, the words that are attributed to him) continue to affect souls.

In the same way that he became an Egregore for 'good,' or filled with 'goodness,' there are others who are able to manifest this same power for 'evil,' since it is One Spirit, after all... this is 'overcoming,' in the spiritual realm. It is more than a mere 'meme;' it is most definitely a manifestation of the One Mind, or a Logos. And this Logos is creative... it cannot help being so; it will manifest itself in the world.

For better or worse. And of course... I could be wrong, but I have taken this from others who spent years on the idea. It is worth consideration, at the least, I would think.

Good food. Personally I don't see it as 'one spirit'... there are innumerable spirits and personalities all trying to achieve 'highness'... The Bible itself proposes that God is not currently all-in-all as in the Panentheistic view, but there is 'ego' which is responsible for this separation from the 'Godhead' and thus individuality... Eash person, being made in a lower-realm likeness of 'YHWH-God' has their own mind and creative logos which can be used for whatever purpose the ego desires---this has nothing to do with God--But all things operate on the laws and principles that have been established... So humans have a certain power to create their own ideas which can end up becoming larger than any individual through mechanisms like peer-pressure and the like...

You are absolutely right though--the same 'system' works for both 'good' and 'evil'... The Archangel Michael for instance is an Egregore--however, it is one that does not rely on the belief of humans to exist... Michael is a 'Divine Principal' which metaphorically 'Battles Evil' in the highest realms of civil polity... The spirit Michael has a personality (metaphorically) but it does not have ego... It does not require icons or sigils or worship in order to exist---Michael is similar to the non-existent occult egregores of Liberty and Justice, they are Perceived Deific Principals (gods) which require a constant stream of 'faith' to even exist, which is why they are held up as gods and their images engraved into stone...

In the end, the egregores which work for 'good' are not created by human hands but they are supreme eternal laws which require no human faith to exist---any egregore created for the purpose of good will always, always turn evil... Just look at the United States...

They are beasts which feed on the grass and the grass doesn't even know the beasts exist because grass does not have eyes to see the world outside of them---they only know when it rains, snows, is sunny, dark, winter, spring, etc.... Humans are nothing but grass...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14571 04-14-2012 11:30 PM

GUANO Wrote:

Humans are nothing but grass...

...and something is chewing on my head!!!

Gectpebo

...that all i got.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

goldenfleeced Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
By logic "Jesus" is the egregor, Christ is the direct Ray of Being that emanates from the Creator Source.

"Jesus" Yah'shua was Christened by God with Godness at the river Jordan

I have been doing some reading on the concept of the Egregore and, I don't think that anyone has a firm notion of what this means... perhaps I am still off, but here is part of my current understanding...

The man Jesus became an Egregore, by the time of his 33rd year; it is not exactly a 'group soul,' but rather the immensely strong soul that becomes a director of souls... a shepherd, in a sense... the Egregore becomes the 'soul' of the world at the time of its manifestation, due to its strong identification with the spirit of 'God' with which it has infused itself. As Jesus said, 'I and the Father are One...' The strength of the Spirit within himself was obviously able to direct or affect the souls of everyone around him, for better or worse, and his words (or at least, the words that are attributed to him) continue to affect souls.

In the same way that he became an Egregore for 'good,' or filled with 'goodness,' there are others who are able to manifest this same power for 'evil,' since it is One Spirit, after all... this is 'overcoming,' in the spiritual realm. It is more than a mere 'meme;' it is most definitely a manifestation of the One Mind, or a Logos. And this Logos is creative... it cannot help being so; it will manifest itself in the world.

For better or worse. And of course... I could be wrong, but I have taken this from others who spent years on the idea. It is worth consideration, at the least, I would think.

Very interesting thoughts, thanks!

On the point of Jesus, my research lead me to find we started using that transliteration of his name about 500 years ago.

And the crux of that is this: "Jesus" and the subsequent mythos states that Jesus the man image/Son of God, saves. While the original name, the one that everyone call him by while alive was Yah'shua which means directly "God, the Father, saves."

If the bible was true to the Spirit, his name would be transliterated as Joshua.

So "Jesus" would then be the ground work for the anti-christ doctrine...which Yahshua also warned about!

very true

and you have to look at creation itself

could a divided God, or an evil God hold together stable realities?

no, they could not.

but then, those who are evil tend to be immature.

immature people do not understand psychology or the consequences of a psychological state. they may see it, read it, and think on it, but the reality of the consequences can easily be dismissed by them.

this is why honesty is the best policy. only an honest mind can become a God, because only an honest mind can understand itself and hold together a world within a world.

if none of you can understand that,

then no words of mine at all will ever reach you.