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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 42391 04-25-2012 06:54 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
LoP Guest Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:The whole brainwashing campaign of "Peak Oil" and the notion that oil is a "fossil fuel" is yet another one of those massive con jobs. The following story will introduce you to the theory that oil is an abiotic process, deep in the earth where, under heat and pressure condense into hydrocarbons. No organic process is involved and the earth is constantly producing these hydrocarbons.
abiotic theory is unproven.
and even if true,
there is still some unknown bottleneck of production.
what is proven is that the known oil reserves have
peaked in production.
"what is proven is that the known oil reserves have
peaked in production?"
Oh, you know this? As in, "Yes I know, because the T.V. tells me so!"
How's about this:
what is proven is that we never needed oil for automobiles and the like!
Therefore the "known oil reserves have
peaked in production," is null and void even if it were true.
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-25-2012 07:00 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Old Whatshisname Wrote:JT nli Wrote:--what about all that abiotic oil, man that stuff is as hard to find and prove as Osama Been Hidden. Is it from coal, magma, heat and pressure, how does it change from minerals to hydrocarbons? If it is from coal, that would also imply biotic origins.
I have been waiting for some clear evidence, experimental evidence, chemical equation evidence, or any other kind. Actually hoping in a way. But this has been an internet myth for years.
If true it would mean there are enough petroleum resources to transition to clean energy sources over the next decade (if there was a will to do this by those in power - ha). It will require fossil or abiotic fuels to create windmills, solar panels, geothermal plants, thorium reactors, wave generators, or whatever other means we adopt to supply our power needs. These things are all created with fossil/abiotic fuels.
Excellent comments, colleague! Unfortunately, I believe they will fall on deaf ears, primarily because they conflict with the standard conspiracy mind-set which (in this forum, at least) trumps scientific knowledge and critical thinking.
I haven't seen hard evidence of peak oil either. Personally, I think oil is more useful as a manufacturing material than a GM Suburban fuel.
I don't think our military should use half our annual supply to "secure" the other half.
If the greenies are pro-alternative-energy, then where's my cheap solar panels?
The plan isn't to make us waste most of the low hanging fruit then murder us is it?
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miow Subscriber User ID: 92216 04-25-2012 07:06 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
nothing is unlimited...
malo malo malo malo, wouldn't you?
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 81352 04-25-2012 07:08 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Dear Abiotic Believers:
Even if the abiogenic theory of oil were true, unfortunately we would use it faster than the planet Earth could produce it.
So for all intents and purposes, abiotic oil is completely useless for human society.
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GREY LENSMAN  Blue Crystal Storm User ID: 88810 04-25-2012 07:11 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
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nothing is unlimited..
WRONG
ENERGY IS UNLIMITED
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-25-2012 07:13 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Geochemist Says Oil FieldsMay Be Refilled Naturally
By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: September 26, 1995
COULD it be that many of the world's oil fields are refilling themselves at nearly the same rate they are being drained by an energy-hungry world?
A geochemist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts says she believes that hitherto undetected gas and oil reservoirs lying at very great depths within the earth's crust could stave off the inevitable oil depletion much longer than many experts have estimated.
The scientist, Dr. Jean K. Whelan, whose research is part of a $2 million Department of Energy exploration program in the Gulf of Mexico south of New Orleans, has found evidence of differences in the composition of oil over periods of time as it flows from greater to shallower depths. By gauging degradative chemical changes in the oil resulting from action by oil-eating bacteria, she infers that oil is moving in quite rapid spurts from great depths to reservoirs closer to the surface.
Skeptics of Dr. Whelan's hypothesis acknowledge that oil is almost certainly flowing into certain reservoirs from somewhere, but say her explanation remains to be proved, as does the exact extent of the phenomenon...
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/26/scienc...all&src=pm
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-25-2012 07:16 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
LoP Guest Wrote:Dear Abiotic Believers:
Even if the abiogenic theory of oil were true, unfortunately we would use it faster than the planet Earth could produce it.
So for all intents and purposes, abiotic oil is completely useless for human society.
Cheap fallacy labeling us "believers."
And if oil is abiotic, then it is very useful to humanity, you have used it.
There is no such thing as sovereign debt. End the FED, bring back Greenbacks.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 81352 04-25-2012 07:18 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Luvapottamus Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:Dear Abiotic Believers:
Even if the abiogenic theory of oil were true, unfortunately we would use it faster than the planet Earth could produce it.
So for all intents and purposes, abiotic oil is completely useless for human society.
Cheap fallacy labeling us "believers."
And if oil is abiotic, then it is very useful to humanity, you have used it.

Excuse me? Have you even read about abiogenic oil? Or about energy? Do you even have the remotest of clues? Obviously you are tremendously uninformed.
Oil wells do not re-fill quickly enough to sustain the worldwide economy.
Go. Look it up.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 81352 04-25-2012 07:20 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Luvapottamus Wrote:Geochemist Says Oil FieldsMay Be Refilled Naturally
By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: September 26, 1995
COULD it be that many of the world's oil fields are refilling themselves at nearly the same rate they are being drained by an energy-hungry world?
A geochemist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts says she believes that hitherto undetected gas and oil reservoirs lying at very great depths within the earth's crust could stave off the inevitable oil depletion much longer than many experts have estimated.
The scientist, Dr. Jean K. Whelan, whose research is part of a $2 million Department of Energy exploration program in the Gulf of Mexico south of New Orleans, has found evidence of differences in the composition of oil over periods of time as it flows from greater to shallower depths. By gauging degradative chemical changes in the oil resulting from action by oil-eating bacteria, she infers that oil is moving in quite rapid spurts from great depths to reservoirs closer to the surface.
Skeptics of Dr. Whelan's hypothesis acknowledge that oil is almost certainly flowing into certain reservoirs from somewhere, but say her explanation remains to be proved, as does the exact extent of the phenomenon...
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/26/scienc...all&src=pm
Way to link to an article from 1995. Go and research the latest information. Oil wells do not regenerate quickly enough for our oil-hungry world, especially when you factor in China and India.
Seriously, some of you people are incredibly igorant. Do you even bother reading about BOTH sides of an argument? I doubt it.
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-25-2012 07:28 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
LoP Guest Wrote:Luvapottamus Wrote:Geochemist Says Oil FieldsMay Be Refilled Naturally
By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: September 26, 1995
COULD it be that many of the world's oil fields are refilling themselves at nearly the same rate they are being drained by an energy-hungry world?
A geochemist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts says she believes that hitherto undetected gas and oil reservoirs lying at very great depths within the earth's crust could stave off the inevitable oil depletion much longer than many experts have estimated.
The scientist, Dr. Jean K. Whelan, whose research is part of a $2 million Department of Energy exploration program in the Gulf of Mexico south of New Orleans, has found evidence of differences in the composition of oil over periods of time as it flows from greater to shallower depths. By gauging degradative chemical changes in the oil resulting from action by oil-eating bacteria, she infers that oil is moving in quite rapid spurts from great depths to reservoirs closer to the surface.
Skeptics of Dr. Whelan's hypothesis acknowledge that oil is almost certainly flowing into certain reservoirs from somewhere, but say her explanation remains to be proved, as does the exact extent of the phenomenon...
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/26/scienc...all&src=pm
Way to link to an article from 1995. Go and research the latest information. Oil wells do not regenerate quickly enough for our oil-hungry world, especially when you factor in China and India.
Seriously, some of you people are incredibly igorant. Do you even bother reading about BOTH sides of an argument? I doubt it.
link?
I have read the other side. What I can find. What do you have that I don't? I know what Hubbert's peak is, I read a LOT of Mike Ruppert reporting on this, I read James Howard Kunstler.
Where's my cheap solar panels? Where's my Beyond Petroleum?
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Tatsuya Religious and proud of it. User ID: 13084 04-25-2012 07:40 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
I believe oil is more similar to the blood of the earth, and not fossil based, but that in itself does not mean that oil is something we should mess with.
If oil is like i said, something similar to blood of the earth, then imo, it is far, far worse than being fossil based, who knows how much damage we have done to the planet already if i'm right.
No matter what your view on oil is, it is not the future, i'm not saying the future is "green" either, but it is not oil, oil may be infinite, but how long would it take for that oil to be replenished?
It's not feasible.
A man who does not know himself, knows nothing.
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51:50 Registered User User ID: 92518 04-25-2012 07:44 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Remember the good ole days??
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 44359 04-25-2012 07:45 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
Yes, as long as the programmer running this dream program we are in wants it to be.
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-25-2012 07:56 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
51:50 Wrote:Remember the good ole days??
![[Image: 4ABD_4F9837EC.jpg]](http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphic/images/2012/April/25/4ABD_4F9837EC.jpg)
My 1986 Honda got 40mpg.
My 1978 VW dasher got 50.
How come the 2013 Passat only gets 50?
How come the 2013 Honda only gets 40?
When we gonna get these?
Volkswagen XL1 Tops 260 MPG
Published Jan 26, 2011
* VW hails what it calls "the birth of a new class of super-efficient vehicles" with its new diesel-hybrid two-seater.
* The drivetrain delivers a combined 74 horsepower and is mated to a seven-speed DSG gearbox.
* The XL1 emits only 24 g/km of CO2.
DOHA, Qatar — Volkswagen has unveiled the XL1, its latest ultra-high-mileage car, at the Qatar auto show, claiming fuel economy of 261 mpg for the diesel-hybrid two-seater.
The XL1 is the successor to such previous VW experimental units as the L1 concept of 2009, which achieved nearly 200 mpg, and the earlier 1-Liter Car in 2002.
VW says the XL1, which emits only 24 g/km of CO2, ushers in "the birth of a new class of super-efficient vehicles."
The heart of the XL1 is a tiny 800cc two-cylinder common-rail TDI engine that makes 47 horsepower and is coupled with a 27-hp electric motor and a seven-speed DSG gearbox with an automatic clutch mounted between each unit...
http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/vol...0-mpg.html
Oh yeah, not until we need them.
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The Comedian Philosophizer User ID: 92569 04-25-2012 07:59 PM
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RE: Is Oil Unlimited?
LoP Guest Wrote:If hydrocarbons, esters, ethers are present on another planet, does that automatically make abiotic oil being produced below earth's surface a fact? Maybe you could explain that further.
No, not proof, but it presents strong evidence for an alternate theory of production.
The Deep Hot Biosphere : The Myth of Fossil Fuels
http://www.amazon.com/The-Deep-Hot-Biosp...0387952535
Once you realize what a joke everything is,
being the Comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
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