Post: #46

DanfromtheHills  Wrote:

Clever Trevor  Wrote:

Did anybody watch the documentary on the other thread about genetic engineering?
They are now manufacturing mass quantities of diesel oil in vats from sugar..........

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Scientis...laying-God

running out of fuel my arse.......
I call

26 minutes into the documentary....

Neat.

IIRC, didn't some high school student discover a bacteria that eats trash and produces diesel fuel as a by-product?

Why aren't we pouring billions of dollars into this kind of research?

For the exact same reason that almost every other type of alternate fuel source has been railroaded.....
It creates competition....

Post: #47

Yes. Oil is already running out. The problem is that the oil companies dont seem to understand that

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Post: #49

In the business. No such thing as Peak Oil or Diamonds for that matter. Supply is controled in BOTH.

Post: #50

please dont trust the oil companies and governments for obvious reasons
if they say its peak. you can be sure theres plenty.

Post: #51

LoP Guest  Wrote:

In the business. No such thing as Peak Oil or Diamonds for that matter. Supply is controled in BOTH.

De'Beers. I thought of them also, while responding to this thread.

So the story goes...One of the De'Beer's family members was exploring a possible diamond find in South Africa. To his horror, he found them simply lying on the beach. A child could scoop them up in handfuls.

Post: #52

The best thing you can say about abiotic oil is that it is controversial. Proponents of this idea point to the existence of hydrocarbons on places like Titan and, according to thir logic ("since there never was carbon-based life on Titan, you can get hydrocarbons without life, so we can get hydrocarbons without life, too, which means hydrocarbons didn't come from life") biotic oil is a lie. Further, since we don't really have the scientific tools to discuss all the ramifications of the argument, let's cop out and blame it all on a Huge Sinister Plot!

The flaws in this logic are pretty obvious. First, the hydrocarbons found on Titan are mostly ethane (C2H6)and methane (CH4), both of which are a lot simpler than most of the components of petroleum found in the Earth. Maybe the more complex aliphatic cmpounds do exist on Titan; this would signify that it's possible tohae complex hydrocarbons develop abiotically.

But maybe they don't exist; we don't have any evidence -- yet.

And even if they did, it does not medan that tthe Earth's supply of petroleum was produced abiotically; it jsut means that n some cases, it can be.

Furthermore, if there is abiotic oil produced on Earth and if it is a significant component of our petroleum supply, it doesn't seem to be able to do us much good. Most of the oil w4ells which have gone dry over the past century or so are still either dry or producing at a drasticully reduced rate which can be accounted for by remnant oil slowly seeping back into the bore of the well.

Finally, the researchers who propose searching for petroleum based on the belief and the mechanics of abiotic oil formation haven't had a very good record in actually finding any abiotic oil where it's "supposed" to be.

I think betting civilization's energy future on a belief that something exists for which we don't have very strong evidence or ability to exploit (even if it does exist) is a pretty short-sighted approach.

Post: #53

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Hell if I wanted to control the worlds oil supply Id lie to the people and tell then it was made from Fossil fuels and it was made out of Dinosaurs too.

Post: #54

LoP Guest  Wrote:

BS. When you burn fuel, it's gone. Bye bye mister fuel. Gone! Did any of you muppets ever go to school?

Being a cool, weed smoking, xbox addicted conspiracy theorist doesn't mean that every single thing ever taught is total bullshit manufactured by tptb.

You can still be a LOPer or GLPer and be cool without being unreasonable and stupid.

Get a f*cking grip on yourselves.

f*ck you you arrogant asshole. Where's your degree in oil technology?

You are a f*cking asshole. Either deadly stupid or paid.

Peak oil is a myth.

Post: #55

Historically we find that our source of energy peaks and declines. Coal in England, whale oil and there is probably others. The notion that oil won't peak is ridiculous. Especially since the evidence indicates that it already has.

In the past whenever humanity hit the limit like this there was a breakthrough of some kind that propelled humanity further than before. Let's hope that happens again or a lot of us will have to die.

Post: #56

Luvapottamus  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The abiotic crowd crack me up.

all the proof they bring to the table is

1. It's a scam
2. Thomas Gold wote a book in the 50's.
3. It's a scam.

Titan’s Organic Hydrocarbons Dwarf Earth’s Oil Reserves


Before we get too excited here, let’s remember. There’s still an energy problem. Global warming, too. Nobody’s going to be importing oil substitutes from Titan anytime soon.

That said, data from the Cassini probe orbiting Saturn has shown that the ringed planet’s moon has "hundreds of times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas reserves on Earth," according to research reported in the Geophysical Research Letters. The stuff is literally falling from the sky.

Lakes are scattered across the moon, with each of several dozen holding more hydrocarbon liquid – largely in the form of methane and ethane — than all of Earth’s oil and gas reserves.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/0...s-organic/

If you'd like to nitpick that, we can go there.

You might want to look up Russia deep drilling first.

Thanks Luv, you saved me the effort of posting about Titan.

How about that, anti-abiotic shills?

Is Titan covered in dead dinosaurs?

Post: #57

GREY LENSMAN  Wrote:

JOHN

YOU ALSO SAID

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expensive and dirty tar sands yielding low quality oil,

UNQUOTE

CARE TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK IT IS "DIRTY" AND "LOW QUALITY"


THANK YOU.

GL

It is a description coined by others, but is fitting. It is a comparison to light sweet crude - which usually is easily procured, easily refined, and does not require extensive/expensive methods of extraction, separation of non-essential components, and other more toxic and disposal-difficult byproducts.
Hopefully these links may explain my point further:

"Tar Sands Oil Poisons Our Air
Processing tar sands oil releases pollutants directly linked to asthma, emphysema and birth defects into American communities. Because tar sands oil is a heavy, low-quality form of crude, it requires extensive "upgrading" to be transformed into fuel.

Tar Sands Oil Contaminates Our Clean Water
Tar sands production wastes and contaminates tremendous amounts of water. Every barrel of oil produced requires four barrels of water. In this process, water is pumped into toxic waste reservoirs large enough to be seen from space. The mercury, lead and arsenic in tar sands waste threaten human health, even at small levels of exposure. Already, communities downstream from tar sands mines in Canada report 30 percent more incidents of rare bile duct cancer than those who do not live near the tar sands."
http://www.sierraclub.org/dirtyfuels/tar...intro.aspx

"Oil sands imports could be banned under EU directive"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...rts-eu-ban

"The Golden State is well-positioned to take in tar sands oil, a heavier, lower quality crude that requires intensive processing, Karras said. Its oil refineries, in the last few years, have undergone upgrades to process heavier crude, and the state’s ports provide an easy gateway to Asia.

California’s sources of crude from within the state and Alaska are dwindling, leading to increased reliance on imports of heavier forms of crude to meet demand. The state currently imports half of its crude from the Middle East and Latin America, according to Karras, and that number could grow to three-fourths in the next 10 years."
http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=co...california

--really, tar sand oil is dirty, I would never guess
--it has heavy metals and poisons as a byproduct, well at least it conforms to industry standards and the norm
--what about all that abiotic oil, man that stuff is as hard to find and prove as Osama Been Hidden. Is it from coal, magma, heat and pressure, how does it change from minerals to hydrocarbons? If it is from coal, that would also imply biotic origins.
I have been waiting for some clear evidence, experimental evidence, chemical equation evidence, or any other kind. Actually hoping in a way. But this has been an internet myth for years.
If true it would mean there are enough petroleum resources to transition to clean energy sources over the next decade (if there was a will to do this by those in power - ha). It will require fossil or abiotic fuels to create windmills, solar panels, geothermal plants, thorium reactors, wave generators, or whatever other means we adopt to supply our power needs. These things are all created with fossil/abiotic fuels.
The path we are on of resource wars and environmental destruction is really avoidable, especially if abiotic oil is a fact.

Post: #58

The Comedian  Wrote:

Luvapottamus  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The abiotic crowd crack me up.

all the proof they bring to the table is

1. It's a scam
2. Thomas Gold wote a book in the 50's.
3. It's a scam.

Titan’s Organic Hydrocarbons Dwarf Earth’s Oil Reserves


Before we get too excited here, let’s remember. There’s still an energy problem. Global warming, too. Nobody’s going to be importing oil substitutes from Titan anytime soon.

That said, data from the Cassini probe orbiting Saturn has shown that the ringed planet’s moon has "hundreds of times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas reserves on Earth," according to research reported in the Geophysical Research Letters. The stuff is literally falling from the sky.

Lakes are scattered across the moon, with each of several dozen holding more hydrocarbon liquid – largely in the form of methane and ethane — than all of Earth’s oil and gas reserves.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/0...s-organic/

If you'd like to nitpick that, we can go there.

You might want to look up Russia deep drilling first.

Thanks Luv, you saved me the effort of posting about Titan.

How about that, anti-abiotic shills?

Is Titan covered in dead dinosaurs?

If hydrocarbons, esters, ethers are present on another planet, does that automatically make abiotic oil being produced below earth's surface a fact? Maybe you could explain that further.

Post: #59

JT nli  Wrote:

--what about all that abiotic oil, man that stuff is as hard to find and prove as Osama Been Hidden. Is it from coal, magma, heat and pressure, how does it change from minerals to hydrocarbons? If it is from coal, that would also imply biotic origins.
I have been waiting for some clear evidence, experimental evidence, chemical equation evidence, or any other kind. Actually hoping in a way. But this has been an internet myth for years.
If true it would mean there are enough petroleum resources to transition to clean energy sources over the next decade (if there was a will to do this by those in power - ha). It will require fossil or abiotic fuels to create windmills, solar panels, geothermal plants, thorium reactors, wave generators, or whatever other means we adopt to supply our power needs. These things are all created with fossil/abiotic fuels.

Excellent comments, colleague! Unfortunately, I believe they will fall on deaf ears, primarily because they conflict with the standard conspiracy mind-set which (in this forum, at least) trumps scientific knowledge and critical thinking.

Post: #60

Peak oil has past, as the world uses more the less it can keep up. It's priced by speculators that sit on paper oil until a target price. No such thing as supply and demand anymore. It's not an infinite resource, but the world treats it as such. Is there more? Of course but that doesn't mean it will last another 20 years. These are the good times before the storm. We literally bathe in oil. It's everywhere fertilizers, carpets,plastics, insulation, paints, and on and on. Change in life style is the reason companies aren't forced to pursue alternatives. When it costs too much for people to afford their modern conveniences is when change will happen. I just hope it doesn't happen all at once i.e. money crashes, huge wars. Living a disposable society will end like all things do.

No food for fuel!