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? lop guest User ID: 89147 04-09-2012 12:04 AM

So I did a quick study on the origins of freemasons, and it dates back to the "builders of solomons temple" which were in all likelyhood, jewish, since the whole "solomons temple" story (schmeal) is a jewish thing...

That would explain A LOT...

**David**

There is no concrete evidence that "speculative Masonry" predates the early eighteenth century.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-09-2012 12:11 AM

Was mohamad a Jesus or a Buddist?

**Free Range Humans**

Templar origins, a type of "Replacement Theology"..

**Skippy**

The Masons come from the Templar Knights which learned their secrets from the Kaballah which was "Jewish" in origin. Of course, it's more complicated than that.... but that's the breakdown....

**sword777** lop guest User ID: 88347 04-09-2012 12:18 AM

Pi Wrote:

Was mohamad a Jesus or a Buddist?

He was a cartoon... haven't you seen him?

**Richard Eldritch**

Skippy Wrote:

The Masons come from the Templar Knights which learned their secrets from the Kaballah which was "Jewish" in origin. Of course, it's more complicated than that.... but that's the breakdown....

Kab-Allah is invented by the Islams, you can tell because it has Allah in it.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 88546 04-09-2012 12:20 AM

David Wrote:

There is no concrete evidence that "speculative Masonry" predates the early eighteenth century.

Au contraire

comes from the canaanites and their kabballah

thoth hermes, melchizadeck, etc....

co-opted actual stone masons via money (gotta have a permit ya know) in the late 1500's

**Skippy**

Richard Eldritch Wrote:

Skippy Wrote:
The Masons come from the Templar Knights which learned their secrets from the Kaballah which was "Jewish" in origin. Of course, it's more complicated than that.... but that's the breakdown....

Kab-Allah is invented by the Islams, you can tell because it has Allah in it.

... Like I said.... complicated..... The Romans, Jews, Muslims, and Christians had very different relationships back then... They worshipped different "stars".

**David** · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2012 12:27 AM by David.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

David Wrote:
There is no concrete evidence that "speculative Masonry" predates the early eighteenth century.

Au contraire

comes from the canaanites and their kabballah

thoth hermes, melchizadeck, etc....

co-opted actual stone masons via money (gotta have a permit ya know) in the late 1500's

Can you point to any sources? Evidence?

I can make assertions, too.

And, yes, I have researched this extensively.

Can you point to one document before the eighteenth century in which Masonry is anything but a medieval guild?

**David** · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2012 12:44 AM by David.)

The earliest lodges of Speculative Freemasonry appear to date from the 1630's in Scotland, at which time the Operative lodges (relics of the medieval guild system) started to "gentrify".

If one wanted to trace the origins of Freemasonry, it would be at that place and time.

Beyond that, Freemasonry's origins are somewhat cloaked in the mists of time.

"O dark, backward and abysm of time."
Shakespeare

**Dino**

Yep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiFJzgxy2...W9_Nzvc%3D

**David** · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2012 12:54 AM by David.)

Question: What sort of things were going on in 1630's Scotland that might have been of significance?

I think it all starts then with conflict between the Anglicization (re-introduction of Catholicism) and Calvinist Protestantism.

The King and the aristocrats were strongly allied to the English and were trying to re-introduce Anglicanist protestantsism, which the common people were vehemently against.

Was the co-optation of the Operative Masonic guilds by aristocrats who then subsequently invented Speculative Masonry an early attempt to create a sort of public relations movement for Anglicanism (backdoor Catholicism)?

A very top down, heirarchical movement that would attempt to manipulate the lower classes to accept Anglican Catholicism as the Church of Scotland.

Was Speculative Masonry an anti-Calvinist project of the arsitocracy?

**David** · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2012 12:57 AM by David.)

Maybe the Jesuit-tards are starting to get to me, but I am beginning to see a relationship (possibly) between Catholicism and Freemasonry.

doomed

**David**

As of 1942, Presbyterians still condemned Freemasonry as "anti-Christian".

hint, hint, hint!

http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/f...reemasonry

For sure, Freemasonry did not start as a radical Protestant movement.

Quite the reverse.