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Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 77712 06-05-2012 02:48 AM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
more then likely that the part of the tree that absorbs most of the rain water is that exact ring. The real truth is the radiation is from fukishima
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MrGemini *Registered User* User ID: 78486 06-05-2012 04:12 AM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
"After your death you will be what you were before your birth." - Arthur Schopenhauer
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 100060 06-05-2012 12:26 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
thecanadianactivist Wrote:awsome .... just read about it, was going to post it.....im curious how fukishima will show up in 1000 years..
This.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 36055 06-05-2012 05:15 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
But, but, but that can't be! Humans didn't have nukes back then so its impossible, much like all the faked up warm spells that they claim happened way before we had SUV's to make greenhouse gasses to cause global warming!.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 100412 06-05-2012 05:26 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 94687 06-05-2012 05:27 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
•REC Wrote:Japanese researchers say they have found effects from strong cosmic radiation on an old Yakusugi cedar dating back to the 8th century.
A research group at the Solar-Terrestrial Environment Laboratory of Nagoya University has studied the amounts of radioactive carbon contained in rings of a cedar tree, which is around 1,900 years old, on Yakushima Island, southwestern Japan.
The amounts of radioactive carbon can be affected by radiation from outer space called cosmic radiation.
The group found a large amount of radioactive carbon, about 20 times the usual level, in a ring dating back to A.D. 775.
The researchers believe that the strongest radiation in the past 3,000 years fell on the tree at that time.
They say that a very strong explosion, such as a supernova that occurs relatively close to Earth or a super flare on the surface of Sun, may have been involved.
Associate Professor Kimiaki Masuda, who heads the research team, says that Earth's environment could have been affected by the powerful radiation.
Masuda says that his team will be able to predict how increases in cosmic radiation will affect the Earth's environment.
The findings were published in the online edition of the British journal "Nature" on Monday.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120604_09.html
A.D. 775
1945
2011
Damn, Japan just can't get a break.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 20705 06-05-2012 06:11 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
A side note. But just noticed some high radiation readings in the Northeast US on too different sites.
This one, http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
had just gave a reading of 75 (now at 50) in the Philadelphia - New York area.
While this one. http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
showed a reading of 215 also located about 40 miles West of Philadelphia.
Both readings were the highest in the country on their respective maps.
Weather in the area has been rainy the last couple of days.
Either map could have been an anomaly, but both showing the same thing seems more than coincidental.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 20705 06-05-2012 06:13 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
LoP Guest Wrote:A side note. But just noticed some high radiation readings in the Northeast US on too different sites.
This one, http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
had just gave a reading of 75 (now at 50) in the Philadelphia - New York area.
While this one. http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
showed a reading of 215 also located about 40 miles West of Philadelphia.
Both readings were the highest in the country on their respective maps.
Weather in the area has been rainy the last couple of days.
Either map could have been an anomaly, but both showing the same thing seems more than coincidental.
Correction - 40 miles NORTH of Philadelphia.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 20705 06-05-2012 07:19 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
LoP Guest Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:A side note. But just noticed some high radiation readings in the Northeast US on too different sites.
This one, http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
had just gave a reading of 75 (now at 50) in the Philadelphia - New York area.
While this one. http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
showed a reading of 215 also located about 40 miles West of Philadelphia.
Both readings were the highest in the country on their respective maps.
Weather in the area has been rainy the last couple of days.
Either map could have been an anomaly, but both showing the same thing seems more than coincidental.
Correction - 40 miles NORTH of Philadelphia.
I really do apologize if I am temporarily hijacking the thread but I found out more info. The closest nuclear plant to the above noted area is the Limerick power plant located just Northwest of Phila. in Montgomery County. And thus a likely suspect for a possible radiation release. Well I just found this.
June 4, 2011 (WPVI) -- Reactors at an eastern Pennsylvania nuclear plant have shut down unexpectedly three times in the past week, but regulatory authorities say no safety problems have been reported.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says Unit 1 of Exelon Nuclear's Limerick Generating Station shut down at 10:15 a.m. Friday.
The shutdown came less than a day after the plant put the Unit 2 reactor back online following unplanned shutdowns Sunday and Monday.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?sectio...id=8144300
This could be a cause for concern.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 20705 06-05-2012 07:25 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
Disregard the last post, I just saw the year on it. (2011). ---I'm a dumb ass! Carry on.
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Leopardsands Goth Pug User ID: 76478 06-05-2012 07:38 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
Brazil nut trees have radiation naturally.
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•REC 14877 User ID: 14877 06-05-2012 07:39 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
Mysterious radiation burst recorded in tree rings
Cosmic puzzle
The only known events that can produce a 14C spike are floods of γ-rays from supernova explosions or proton storms from giant solar flares. But neither seems likely, Miyake says, because each should have been large enough to have had other effects that would have been observed at the time.
A massive supernova, for example, should have been bright enough to produce a 'new' star visible even in the daytime, as was the case for two known supernovae in ad 1006 and ad 1054. Such an explosion would have needed to be brighter than either of these, Miyake says, because those events were not large enough to leave traces in the 14C record.
It is possible, he says, that the proposed event might have occurred in the far southern skies, where astronomers of the era wouldn't have seen it. But still, he says, if it did happen, today's X-ray and radio astronomers should have found signs of a "tremendously bright" remnant of the explosion.
As for solar flares, he says, anything that could have produced the required amount of super-high-energy protons would have vastly exceeded the most intense solar outburst ever recorded. There should have been a historical record of extraordinary auroras — not to mention that such a gigantic flare would probably have destroyed the ozone layer, with devastating ecological consequences.
Baker, however, thinks that Miyake's team may have been too quick to rule out a solar flare. Flares are sometimes associated with coronal mass ejections (CMEs) — huge eruptions of magnetically charged plasma from the Sun's atmosphere that send streams of charged particles towards Earth. It might be possible, he says, for CMEs to be accompanied by conditions in which an unusual number of protons are accelerated to super-high energies, even without the flare itself being "ridiculously strong".
"We know much more these days about how important proton acceleration is at the shock fronts that precede CME structures as they propagate towards Earth," Baker says. "I would like to think about whether a strong CME moving directly towards Earth could have produced the intense proton population that impacted Earth's atmosphere."
http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-ra...gs-1.10768
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•REC 14877 User ID: 14877 06-05-2012 08:32 PM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
LoP Guest Wrote:•REC Wrote:Japanese researchers say they have found effects from strong cosmic radiation on an old Yakusugi cedar dating back to the 8th century.
A research group at the Solar-Terrestrial Environment Laboratory of Nagoya University has studied the amounts of radioactive carbon contained in rings of a cedar tree, which is around 1,900 years old, on Yakushima Island, southwestern Japan.
The amounts of radioactive carbon can be affected by radiation from outer space called cosmic radiation.
The group found a large amount of radioactive carbon, about 20 times the usual level, in a ring dating back to A.D. 775.
The researchers believe that the strongest radiation in the past 3,000 years fell on the tree at that time.
They say that a very strong explosion, such as a supernova that occurs relatively close to Earth or a super flare on the surface of Sun, may have been involved.
Associate Professor Kimiaki Masuda, who heads the research team, says that Earth's environment could have been affected by the powerful radiation.
Masuda says that his team will be able to predict how increases in cosmic radiation will affect the Earth's environment.
The findings were published in the online edition of the British journal "Nature" on Monday.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120604_09.html
REC, this ties into your post from yesterday about the neutron pulse from the sun that was echoed back from the earth in late May.
I wonder if these occur frequently, in certain cycles, and if there is any trend that points toward a peak.
Strong neutron flares can douse the earth with a heavy bombardment of radiation, weaken the magnetic field, and even (theoretically) create an atmospheric blast.
There are other possibilities (supernova in proxima) but this seems to be the most plausible explanation for radioactivity in ancient cedar tree rings.
Good research 5*
You may be right.
Link to that thread for others-
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Scientis...y-17th-CME
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(This post was last modified: 06-05-2012 08:32 PM by •REC.)
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 100648 06-06-2012 03:37 AM
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RE: Japan: Traces of strong radiation found in ancient cedar tree
How can you know with all the radiation about?
How is this relevant with all the sh*t that's going on at thee moment?
Who gives a sh*t?
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