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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64733 12-29-2011 03:32 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
This from the guy who deferred to logical fallacies as a method of questioning logic. Just saying.

/end discussion

It was a valid question really. Here, let me simplify it for you. This is a simple yes or no question. I would also accept "I don't know because I am an arrogant yet ignorant mortal"

Can God perform a feat so great that he cannot undo it? No matter how you look at it, there before your eyes, is proof that even God has limitations.

How old are you? 18? 19?

Your question is NOT a valid question because it seeks a yes or no answer for an question that cannot be answered with either.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutually_exclusive_events

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 12-29-2011 03:36 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

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I always wanted to know. God can do anything right? Well, can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't pick it up?

This is a logical fallacy because both are mutually exclusive.

It's like asking, "Can God create square circles?" Of course He can, but in our reality, they would be interpreted as having their own unique qualities and mathematical values that would quantify them as something other than squares or circles.

Asking whether or not God can create a rock bigger than He can lift is the same fallacy of mutual exclusives. In other words, since God is All Mighty, it assumes there is nothing creatable that can fulfill the role of a rock heavier than He can lift.

If God is so almighty, why did he need to rest on the 7th day? What a pussy.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64733 12-29-2011 03:43 PM

Skippy Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
To all the above quotes that seem contradictory, those are only relevant when addressing fundamentalists. More protestants today understand the science of exegesis and use it to determine the meaning and context of provided scripture. They understand that God's Word speaks in metaphors, prophecy, symbolism, and poetry. They arrive at a greater meaning and understanding of God's Word than just empty quote-mining to prove some invalid argument.

Furthermore, to the poster who said that God commands us to make no graven image nor worship it and that he doesn't worship Jesus because He doesn't want to make God mad, I have this to say: when God came to Abraham as a man, He was still God Almighty ruler of Heaven and Earth and, yet, He was a man walking, talking, and eating at Abraham's tent. He did the same thing as Jesus Christ. Read Isaiah 9:6-7 and Micah 5:2

So when the Bible says to hamstring their horses or kill the children, it's metaphor but when it says there were only 2 people who started the entire race of people on this planet and that bushes can talk, it's fact? Also, if God is all knowing and wanted man to worship Jesus, why did he send Jesus down late in the game and to only a really small portion of the world? You think he would have sent the guy down right from the start and made an announcement to the whole planet at once. Another question, if you were one of Adam and Eve's sons, did you have to sleep with your mom or sister to have more kids? Yuck.

Actually, the things stated in the first sentence are all fact. Once a person believes Genesis 1:1 and understands that God created every inch of the 13 billion light-year wide expanse of Universe, it's not that hard to believe the other things attributed to Him.

Why did God send Jesus when He did? Who knows. With unlimited wisdom and foresight, perhaps He had a good reason too.

As for Cain and Abel having wives (and I'll speak fundamentally here), perhaps God, in His foresight, was aware of the degeneration of the gene pool throughout the ages of man interbreeding and because of this, decided against openly advocating brother/sister incest in the few three pages of the Bible although that's exactly what must have happened. This is purely speculation of course, since I have no idea and Abram married Sarai, his half-sister

**HiddenHand**

Let me clarify some things for you. I human beings are very subjective creatures. We are influenced by our environment, especially the early years, and by all the people and interactions with them. You act out of your subconscious past experience 95% of the time. That is the sole reason why you're christian. Furthermore, believing something will manifest things in your life which only strengthen your belief.

That being said, if YOU were born in Tehran, say in 2002 to a Muslim family, chances are you're a Muslim, and probably a Muslim that hates white Christians. If you think you're above that and you'd magically know that Jesus is the only way, you're not being honest.

So let's say you get in a car accident being a Muslim I'm Tehran, as a product of your environment, God would still send you to hell. And that makes absolutely no sense. Is God that stupid that he doesn't know how the mind of the human animal works? Is he just an asshole? How can you blame the decidved, for being decidved? How can you punish a product of environment without blaming everyone and everything that has programmed that person into being what he is today.

Quit living in your mental jail, and expect others to think just like you. You can't just simply "believe " unless you have had influence in your life to trick you into thinking something is true. Those Muslims wholeheartedly believe in Allah, and to them it manifests as reality. To them the idea of Christianity is as absurd as Islam is to you.

**diggerbanks**

christianman Wrote:

repent of your sins that means stop sinning. stop your lying, fornicating, homosexuality, occultism, stealing, envy, lust, hatred, false gods, idols and drunkeness.

God hates sin!

how can a God who is so Holy, pure and righteous tolerate something so detestable as the sins listed above.

that is why Jesus Christ died on the cross - to pay for our sins....

but it isnt enough to be saved and go to heaven by just merely believing, you must repent (stop doing those sins) and worship with all your heart, mind, soul and strength in order to be saved. you must be a born again christian.

So God hates does he? Well that is an emotion that is common amongst the pure and righteous.

And he hates lying, fornication and the rest. Yet he likes bullying, coercion, murder, mental torture. He has an ego that won't allow others to worship what they will.

Your God is a hypocrite. Your God is an ideal in your imagination and a lie in reality. Your God is a douche.

I am continually amazed at the medieval mindset of the USA. Not all the USA of course, I have met some highly enlightened and open-minded Americans, but people like Camping, your cruel, twisted Westboro church, it is like you missed the age of enlightenment completely.

The only Christian I respect is a Christian who will admit that God is a human construct, but the teachings are universal.

Fool.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 63234 12-29-2011 03:58 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
/end discussion

It was a valid question really. Here, let me simplify it for you. This is a simple yes or no question. I would also accept "I don't know because I am an arrogant yet ignorant mortal"

Can God perform a feat so great that he cannot undo it? No matter how you look at it, there before your eyes, is proof that even God has limitations.

How old are you? 18? 19?

Your question is NOT a valid question because it seeks a yes or no answer for an question that cannot be answered with either.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutually_exclusive_events

First of all, I recognize and dismiss your attempt to discredit and invalidate my argument with another irrelevant assumption, this time of age. Second, if you want to seem intelligent to all the LOP watchers then I would avoid all the wikipedia links because they are not doing you a damn bit of good.
Third, if you cant answer the question in simplicity then I guess God didn't endow you with the gift of communication needed to defend him properly. So you fail you wannabe brainiac.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 65790 12-29-2011 03:58 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
I always wanted to know. God can do anything right? Well, can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't pick it up?

This is a logical fallacy because both are mutually exclusive.

It's like asking, "Can God create square circles?" Of course He can, but in our reality, they would be interpreted as having their own unique qualities and mathematical values that would quantify them as something other than squares or circles.

Asking whether or not God can create a rock bigger than He can lift is the same fallacy of mutual exclusives. In other words, since God is All Mighty, it assumes there is nothing creatable that can fulfill the role of a rock heavier than He can lift.

It is to ask whether God can create a contradiction and resolve
the contradiction- while maintaining the contradiction.

The lesson isn't about God at all, but about us.

Are there contradictions in our own life that we
are struggling with?

Is it possible to be a Good Thief, or a Sober Alcoholic,
or be a Devoted Husband/Wife and still play around etc. etc.?

You can try to live with a contradiction for a while, but take the
contradiction to its extremes and see if it is possible.

**Eladria**

LoP Guest Wrote:

I always wanted to know. God can do anything right? Well, can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't pick it up?

God is infinite so God is the rock. Therefore the answer to your question is no.
However, God can also manifest as a finite being which is incapable of lifting another finite part of himself, so the answer to your question is yes.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 63234 12-29-2011 04:16 PM

Eladria Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
I always wanted to know. God can do anything right? Well, can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't pick it up?

God is infinite so God is the rock. Therefore the answer to your question is no.
However, God can also manifest as a finite being which is incapable of lifting another finite part of himself, so the answer to your question is yes.

Finally, an intelligent answer in simplicity.

There is a Zen saying that all great truths are paradoxes.
A door is an opening / A door is a barrier

Niels Bohr, the Danish quantum physicist and Nobel prize winner, considered two sorts of truths: “Trivialities, where opposites are obviously absurd, and profound truths, recognized by the fact that the opposite is also a profound truth.” Don’t settle for the triviality. Seek the profound truth.

v lop guest User ID: 11241 12-29-2011 04:32 PM

Just wondering....what happened to souls before Jesus?

**Skippy**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Skippy Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
To all the above quotes that seem contradictory, those are only relevant when addressing fundamentalists. More protestants today understand the science of exegesis and use it to determine the meaning and context of provided scripture. They understand that God's Word speaks in metaphors, prophecy, symbolism, and poetry. They arrive at a greater meaning and understanding of God's Word than just empty quote-mining to prove some invalid argument.

Furthermore, to the poster who said that God commands us to make no graven image nor worship it and that he doesn't worship Jesus because He doesn't want to make God mad, I have this to say: when God came to Abraham as a man, He was still God Almighty ruler of Heaven and Earth and, yet, He was a man walking, talking, and eating at Abraham's tent. He did the same thing as Jesus Christ. Read Isaiah 9:6-7 and Micah 5:2

So when the Bible says to hamstring their horses or kill the children, it's metaphor but when it says there were only 2 people who started the entire race of people on this planet and that bushes can talk, it's fact? Also, if God is all knowing and wanted man to worship Jesus, why did he send Jesus down late in the game and to only a really small portion of the world? You think he would have sent the guy down right from the start and made an announcement to the whole planet at once. Another question, if you were one of Adam and Eve's sons, did you have to sleep with your mom or sister to have more kids? Yuck.

Actually, the things stated in the first sentence are all fact. Once a person believes Genesis 1:1 and understands that God created every inch of the 13 billion light-year wide expanse of Universe, it's not that hard to believe the other things attributed to Him.

Why did God send Jesus when He did? Who knows. With unlimited wisdom and foresight, perhaps He had a good reason too.

As for Cain and Abel having wives (and I'll speak fundamentally here), perhaps God, in His foresight, was aware of the degeneration of the gene pool throughout the ages of man interbreeding and because of this, decided against openly advocating brother/sister incest in the few three pages of the Bible although that's exactly what must have happened. This is purely speculation of course, since I have no idea and Abram married Sarai, his half-sister

If not anything else, this thread was good for a morning laugh before my coffee.

"Ok, guys, this is God, listen up..... I really don't like inbreeding but it looks like we have no choice here.... so it's ok for a little while but then, Knock it off!! God has spoken!!!

Monty Python couldn't write better material.....

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 63234 12-29-2011 04:38 PM

Skippy Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Skippy Wrote:
So when the Bible says to hamstring their horses or kill the children, it's metaphor but when it says there were only 2 people who started the entire race of people on this planet and that bushes can talk, it's fact? Also, if God is all knowing and wanted man to worship Jesus, why did he send Jesus down late in the game and to only a really small portion of the world? You think he would have sent the guy down right from the start and made an announcement to the whole planet at once. Another question, if you were one of Adam and Eve's sons, did you have to sleep with your mom or sister to have more kids? Yuck.

Actually, the things stated in the first sentence are all fact. Once a person believes Genesis 1:1 and understands that God created every inch of the 13 billion light-year wide expanse of Universe, it's not that hard to believe the other things attributed to Him.

Why did God send Jesus when He did? Who knows. With unlimited wisdom and foresight, perhaps He had a good reason too.

As for Cain and Abel having wives (and I'll speak fundamentally here), perhaps God, in His foresight, was aware of the degeneration of the gene pool throughout the ages of man interbreeding and because of this, decided against openly advocating brother/sister incest in the few three pages of the Bible although that's exactly what must have happened. This is purely speculation of course, since I have no idea and Abram married Sarai, his half-sister

If not anything else, this thread was good for a morning laugh before my coffee.

"Ok, guys, this is God, listen up..... I really don't like inbreeding but it looks like we have no choice here.... so it's ok for a little while but then, Knock it off!! God has spoken!!!

Monty Python couldn't write better material.....

I don't mean to pour fuel on the fire but, don't forget about Lot screwing his daughters.

**Skippy**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Skippy Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Actually, the things stated in the first sentence are all fact. Once a person believes Genesis 1:1 and understands that God created every inch of the 13 billion light-year wide expanse of Universe, it's not that hard to believe the other things attributed to Him.

Why did God send Jesus when He did? Who knows. With unlimited wisdom and foresight, perhaps He had a good reason too.

As for Cain and Abel having wives (and I'll speak fundamentally here), perhaps God, in His foresight, was aware of the degeneration of the gene pool throughout the ages of man interbreeding and because of this, decided against openly advocating brother/sister incest in the few three pages of the Bible although that's exactly what must have happened. This is purely speculation of course, since I have no idea and Abram married Sarai, his half-sister

If not anything else, this thread was good for a morning laugh before my coffee.

"Ok, guys, this is God, listen up..... I really don't like inbreeding but it looks like we have no choice here.... so it's ok for a little while but then, Knock it off!! God has spoken!!!

Monty Python couldn't write better material.....

I don't mean to pour fuel on the fire but, don't forget about Lot screwing his daughters.

That explains why the human race is so screwed up. We're all inbred!!!! That's why aliens are always hiding from us, we're the backwoods planet of the galaxy!!!

**SlowLoris**

Where is Heaven?

Has any human other than Jesus ever gone there?

Prove it with scripture.

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 12-29-2011 05:16 PM

The Evil AC Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
I always wanted to know. God can do anything right? Well, can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't pick it up?

This is a logical fallacy because both are mutually exclusive.

It's like asking, "Can God create square circles?" Of course He can, but in our reality, they would be interpreted as having their own unique qualities and mathematical values that would quantify them as something other than squares or circles.

Asking whether or not God can create a rock bigger than He can lift is the same fallacy of mutual exclusives. In other words, since God is All Mighty, it assumes there is nothing creatable that can fulfill the role of a rock heavier than He can lift.

If God is so almighty, why did he need to rest on the 7th day? What a pussy.

I see they still cant answer to why God had to rest if he is so almighty!