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Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
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04-27-2012 08:31 PM

 



Post: #196
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
No he's not.


"When goodness grows weak,
When evil increases,
I make myself a body.
In every age I come back
To deliver the holy,
To destroy the sin of the sinner,
To establish righteousness."
Bhagavad Gita
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FreedomStands
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04-27-2012 08:36 PM

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Post: #197
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
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No he's not.


"When goodness grows weak,
When evil increases,
I make myself a body.
In every age I come back
To deliver the holy,
To destroy the sin of the sinner,
To establish righteousness."
Bhagavad Gita

Can you give a direct verse number?

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04-27-2012 08:37 PM

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Post: #198
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
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Quote:"According to authors Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, "a recently discovered text known as the Slavonic Josephus" escaped Roman censorship.


thank you for posting that!

People who claim there are no historical writings about Jesus other than what is in the Bible, and therefore try to promote the idea that Jesus didn't exist in history... should pay attention to the above.

It's obvious the Romans felt the need to cover up what they had done, when they realized they had just murdered the son of God... so they probably ran from known scribe to scribe, absconding any written evidence of their part in the crime.

not unlike present day where cameras and film are absconded by those who want to remove evidence of nefarious deeds captured on film by bystanders/witnesses.

Well, there is no evidence from the lifetime of Jesus or from anyone who actually met him personally.

The oldest Christian writings are said to be those of Paul who never met Jesus personally.

Josephus is many years after Jesus, and the Slavonic manuscripts are late too.

I posted the link so you could read about the history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus


so what was the other poster referring to when he said "the Slavonic Josephus escaped Roman Censorship"....?
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FreedomStands
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04-27-2012 08:43 PM

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Post: #199
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
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FreedomStands  Wrote:
Womam  Wrote:
thank you for posting that!

People who claim there are no historical writings about Jesus other than what is in the Bible, and therefore try to promote the idea that Jesus didn't exist in history... should pay attention to the above.

It's obvious the Romans felt the need to cover up what they had done, when they realized they had just murdered the son of God... so they probably ran from known scribe to scribe, absconding any written evidence of their part in the crime.

not unlike present day where cameras and film are absconded by those who want to remove evidence of nefarious deeds captured on film by bystanders/witnesses.

Well, there is no evidence from the lifetime of Jesus or from anyone who actually met him personally.

The oldest Christian writings are said to be those of Paul who never met Jesus personally.

Josephus is many years after Jesus, and the Slavonic manuscripts are late too.

I posted the link so you could read about the history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus


so what was the other poster referring to when he said "the Slavonic Josephus escaped Roman Censorship"....?

I don't know, since the Romans didn't really censor anything, they even have some historians mentioning the early Christians and stuff.

The link I gave you gives good information with back up sources, you get to see all the times Jesus might have been mentioned outside of the Bible in early history.

I also linked to info on the Slavonic Josephus manuscript so you can learn about that.

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Ka$h Killa
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04-27-2012 09:52 PM

 



Post: #200
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
RELIGITARD
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04-27-2012 09:54 PM

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Post: #201
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
FreedomStands  Wrote:
Womam  Wrote:
FreedomStands  Wrote:
Well, there is no evidence from the lifetime of Jesus or from anyone who actually met him personally.

The oldest Christian writings are said to be those of Paul who never met Jesus personally.

Josephus is many years after Jesus, and the Slavonic manuscripts are late too.

I posted the link so you could read about the history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus


so what was the other poster referring to when he said "the Slavonic Josephus escaped Roman Censorship"....?

I don't know, since the Romans didn't really censor anything, they even have some historians mentioning the early Christians and stuff.

The link I gave you gives good information with back up sources, you get to see all the times Jesus might have been mentioned outside of the Bible in early history.

I also linked to info on the Slavonic Josephus manuscript so you can learn about that.

Excuse me, please, but when the Romans did their censoring, it was mostly in the arena... with wild animals...

I think you're pretty wrong about that. Among other things...

...what is this which is written in the Tanakh, `'The very rock which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’?

The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet... - Proverbs 27:7 FELIX INFORTUNIUM...
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04-27-2012 10:05 PM

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Post: #202
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
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The Evil AC  Wrote:
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This is a logical fallacy because both are mutually exclusive.

It's like asking, "Can God create square circles?" Of course He can, but in our reality, they would be interpreted as having their own unique qualities and mathematical values that would quantify them as something other than squares or circles.

Asking whether or not God can create a rock bigger than He can lift is the same fallacy of mutual exclusives. In other words, since God is All Mighty, it assumes there is nothing creatable that can fulfill the role of a rock heavier than He can lift.

If God is so almighty, why did he need to rest on the 7th day? What a pussy.

I see they still cant answer to why God had to rest if he is so almighty!

The Hebrew word and the interpretation of Jewish scholars is that God did not rest, but God ceased the creative work on the 7th day.

Ceased, stopped that, not rested.

Anyway, the Qur'an explicitly states that God does not rest or tire, and specifies this in relation to the creation also, refuting the statements of the Bible.

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Post: #203
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
goldenfleeced  Wrote:
FreedomStands  Wrote:
Womam  Wrote:
so what was the other poster referring to when he said "the Slavonic Josephus escaped Roman Censorship"....?

I don't know, since the Romans didn't really censor anything, they even have some historians mentioning the early Christians and stuff.

The link I gave you gives good information with back up sources, you get to see all the times Jesus might have been mentioned outside of the Bible in early history.

I also linked to info on the Slavonic Josephus manuscript so you can learn about that.

Excuse me, please, but when the Romans did their censoring, it was mostly in the arena... with wild animals...

I think you're pretty wrong about that. Among other things...

I have no idea what you're talking about. Romans have records of their methods of killing, they were not ashamed of their actions so had no need to hide them from anyone, they were the superpower and had no one but themselves to answer to.

So if you're talking about all the Christian martyr stories, lots of them are made up and copies of each other probably, but they clearly wrote about the persecution of Christians or their actions against them, you can even read about some of that in the History article I linked to above.

No offense, but if you could be more clear, I'd really appreciate it. I'm not sure I understood what you are saying.

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04-27-2012 10:34 PM

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Post: #204
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FreedomStands  Wrote:
goldenfleeced  Wrote:
FreedomStands  Wrote:
I don't know, since the Romans didn't really censor anything, they even have some historians mentioning the early Christians and stuff.

The link I gave you gives good information with back up sources, you get to see all the times Jesus might have been mentioned outside of the Bible in early history.

I also linked to info on the Slavonic Josephus manuscript so you can learn about that.

Excuse me, please, but when the Romans did their censoring, it was mostly in the arena... with wild animals...

I think you're pretty wrong about that. Among other things...

I have no idea what you're talking about. Romans have records of their methods of killing, they were not ashamed of their actions so had no need to hide them from anyone, they were the superpower and had no one but themselves to answer to.

So if you're talking about all the Christian martyr stories, lots of them are made up and copies of each other probably, but they clearly wrote about the persecution of Christians or their actions against them, you can even read about some of that in the History article I linked to above.

No offense, but if you could be more clear, I'd really appreciate it. I'm not sure I understood what you are saying.

Well, you see, I'm not even sure that it's necessary that you do... nor that I care whether or not you do.

But thank you, anyway... personally, I try not to read your posts too closely, myself; if at all.

Have a nice day, though, won't you...? I don't mean to be uncharitable, as I know that you don't, either...

...what is this which is written in the Tanakh, `'The very rock which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’?

The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet... - Proverbs 27:7 FELIX INFORTUNIUM...
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04-28-2012 08:12 AM

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Post: #205
RE: Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven - repent and believe
goldenfleeced  Wrote:
FreedomStands  Wrote:
goldenfleeced  Wrote:
Excuse me, please, but when the Romans did their censoring, it was mostly in the arena... with wild animals...

I think you're pretty wrong about that. Among other things...

I have no idea what you're talking about. Romans have records of their methods of killing, they were not ashamed of their actions so had no need to hide them from anyone, they were the superpower and had no one but themselves to answer to.

So if you're talking about all the Christian martyr stories, lots of them are made up and copies of each other probably, but they clearly wrote about the persecution of Christians or their actions against them, you can even read about some of that in the History article I linked to above.

No offense, but if you could be more clear, I'd really appreciate it. I'm not sure I understood what you are saying.

Well, you see, I'm not even sure that it's necessary that you do... nor that I care whether or not you do.

But thank you, anyway... personally, I try not to read your posts too closely, myself; if at all.

Have a nice day, though, won't you...? I don't mean to be uncharitable, as I know that you don't, either...
You should read my posts, they would be good for you.

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