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BJ lop guest User ID: 101664 06-11-2012 01:52 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

JM must have good medical care and high level social connections. Even if she's crazy she isn't stupid.

Morgellon's is real! Some people have suffered the tortures of the itch from hell until they finally committed suicide. Doctors couldn't/wouldn't help them. The CDC is a laughing stock. They KNOW what it is, but refuse to give out the research done on it.

I had it back in 2004, and nearly went nuts with the most incredible itching that could only be temporarily alleviated by using Benedryl spray and Calamine lotion. In desperation, I researched the web for every clue that described samples and symptoms, then concluded it was a form of engineered nematode. They are made of a foreign protein, but can be digested topically with powerful enzymes.

For every one of you that think this is a mental problem, may you experience this itch from hell and remember what others have suffered from doctors and scoffers. I wish the best for Joni Mitchell and her desire to help her fellow sufferers, who are now numbering thousands world-wide.

**alert and able**

i heard that morgellon cases are mostly in northern california, in the area where bohemian grove is. somehting to do with their rituals. doomed

if its true that some guy wrote about morgellon in the 1600s, then can they still claim its a made up disease? which is it? a hallucination or documented medical condition?

**Old Whatshisname**

Coolchick Wrote:

well.. i really rather doubt Joni Mitchell is bullshitting.. lol..

Joni Mitchell is one of the greatest all-around songwriters, arrangers, and interpreters of song of the 20th century. I have seen her more times than I can count, starting in the late sixties in Philadelphia when she was just bouncing around the coffee-shop scene. "Hejira" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns" are tremenously under-rated works of sheer genius.

And I don't doubt she actually believes in the Morgellon's thing, just like some people here really believe in the "chem-trail" thing.

But they (and Joni Mitchell) are simply wrong.

**Coolchick**

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

Coolchick Wrote:
well.. i really rather doubt Joni Mitchell is bullshitting.. lol..

Joni Mitchell is one of the greatest all-around songwriters, arrangers, and interpreters of song of the 20th century. I have seen her more times than I can count, starting in the late sixties in Philadelphia when she was just bouncing around the coffee-shop scene. "Hejira" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns" are tremenously under-rated works of sheer genius.

And I don't doubt she actually believes in the Morgellon's thing, just like some people here really believe in the "chem-trail" thing.

But they (and Joni Mitchell) are simply wrong.

i believe her.
but i respect your opinion duncan..
i respect hers, too..
its all good. i wish everyone well, you know..? Cheers

**no 1 home** lop guest User ID: 101655 06-11-2012 02:24 AM

BJ Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
JM must have good medical care and high level social connections. Even if she's crazy she isn't stupid.

Morgellon's is real! Some people have suffered the tortures of the itch from hell until they finally committed suicide. Doctors couldn't/wouldn't help them. The CDC is a laughing stock. They KNOW what it is, but refuse to give out the research done on it.

I had it back in 2004, and nearly went nuts with the most incredible itching that could only be temporarily alleviated by using Benedryl spray and Calamine lotion. In desperation, I researched the web for every clue that described samples and symptoms, then concluded it was a form of engineered nematode. They are made of a foreign protein, but can be digested topically with powerful enzymes.

For every one of you that think this is a mental problem, may you experience this itch from hell and remember what others have suffered from doctors and scoffers. I wish the best for Joni Mitchell and her desire to help her fellow sufferers, who are now numbering thousands world-wide.

That sounds like Shingles.

Shingles is caused by latent chickenpox virus... everyone has it, but it is opportunistic , and when the right conditions, (some say stress, i.e. the failure to normally deal with stress..) it manifests, painful, itchy, hair-like projetions scaly skin open sores... etc. and follows up from the nerves potentially destroying skin and muscle tissue, not coming from the outside like some other rash/irritations.

all your other chem nightmares also might be source of stress activating any number of microscopic residents in your body.

Hiding

BJ lop guest User ID: 101664 06-11-2012 02:26 AM

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

Coolchick Wrote:
well.. i really rather doubt Joni Mitchell is bullshitting.. lol..

Joni Mitchell is one of the greatest all-around songwriters, arrangers, and interpreters of song of the 20th century. I have seen her more times than I can count, starting in the late sixties in Philadelphia when she was just bouncing around the coffee-shop scene. "Hejira" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns" are tremenously under-rated works of sheer genius.

And I don't doubt she actually believes in the Morgellon's thing, just like some people here really believe in the "chem-trail" thing.

But they (and Joni Mitchell) are simply wrong.

Duncan, you were a know-it-all at TOP. I see you haven't learned a thing. There is evidence that chemtrails are real, whether YOU choose to believe it or not. Morgellon's is real, too, whether YOU choose to believe it or not. It's that simple...or maybe you are.

**sword777** lop guest User ID: 101639 06-11-2012 02:27 AM

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

Coolchick Wrote:
well.. i really rather doubt Joni Mitchell is bullshitting.. lol..

Joni Mitchell is one of the greatest all-around songwriters, arrangers, and interpreters of song of the 20th century. I have seen her more times than I can count, starting in the late sixties in Philadelphia when she was just bouncing around the coffee-shop scene. "Hejira" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns" are tremenously under-rated works of sheer genius.

And I don't doubt she actually believes in the Morgellon's thing, just like some people here really believe in the "chem-trail" thing.

But they (and Joni Mitchell) are simply wrong.

Well said.
Jhikpghf

**Old Whatshisname** · (This post was last modified: 06-11-2012 02:43 AM by Old Whatshisname.)

alert and able Wrote:

i heard that morgellon cases are mostly in northern california, in the area where bohemian grove is. somehting to do with their rituals.

You heard wrong. If you care to read "Clinical, Epidemiologic, Histopathologic and Molecular Features of an Unexplained Dermopathy" [Pearson, et.al.] ( http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado...ne.0029908 ) you will note that the only reason there were a preponderance on Northern California patients is that the CDC contracted with Kaiser Permanente in Northern California to do a survey of its enrolees. They found "... There was no clustering of cases within the 13-county KPNC catchment area (p = .113)." (As you can see from the diagram below, the closest thing to a "cluster" is in the San Jose/Sunnyvale area, 115 miles south of Bohemian Grove.)

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alert and able Wrote:

if its true that some guy wrote about morgellon in the 1600s, then can they still claim its a made up disease?

No one is sure of the etiology of the condition reported in the 1600's. It could be the same, or something completely different.

alert and able Wrote:

which is it? a hallucination or documented medical condition?

Well, it is "documented", given the study by the CDC that I cited above. But I believe (as do most researchers) that the condition as simply a delusional dermatopathy.
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BJ lop guest User ID: 101664 06-11-2012 02:39 AM

no 1 home Wrote:

BJ Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
JM must have good medical care and high level social connections. Even if she's crazy she isn't stupid.

Morgellon's is real! Some people have suffered the tortures of the itch from hell until they finally committed suicide. Doctors couldn't/wouldn't help them. The CDC is a laughing stock. They KNOW what it is, but refuse to give out the research done on it.

I had it back in 2004, and nearly went nuts with the most incredible itching that could only be temporarily alleviated by using Benedryl spray and Calamine lotion. In desperation, I researched the web for every clue that described samples and symptoms, then concluded it was a form of engineered nematode. They are made of a foreign protein, but can be digested topically with powerful enzymes.

For every one of you that think this is a mental problem, may you experience this itch from hell and remember what others have suffered from doctors and scoffers. I wish the best for Joni Mitchell and her desire to help her fellow sufferers, who are now numbering thousands world-wide.

That sounds like Shingles.

Shingles is caused by latent chickenpox virus... everyone has it, but it is opportunistic , and when the right conditions, (some say stress, i.e. the failure to normally deal with stress..) it manifests, painful, itchy, hair-like projetions scaly skin open sores... etc. and follows up from the nerves potentially destroying skin and muscle tissue, not coming from the outside like some other rash/irritations.

all your other chem nightmares also might be source of stress activating any number of microscopic residents in your body.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. Your analysis of my symptoms is close, but no cigar if only because shingles is regularly diagnosed as shingles by a physician, whereas Morgellon's is described as a mental illness. However, I have to admit that the symptoms and presentation of the disease are quite similar, although the open sores manifest after scratching almost to the bone to get relief. Nothing itches like Morgellon's. Nothing.

I try to stay inside when the chemtrailers come out to decorate the sky. :)

BJ lop guest User ID: 101664 06-11-2012 03:03 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

SuzieQ Wrote:
The counter is being manipulated, as usual.

Hardly quacker. The issue is actually that you can't come to grips with the fact that hordes of peeps DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU, and rate your threads. Not everyone is a whacko quacker like you, constantly quacking about chemtard trails, vaccinetard doom, and make-believe imaginary ailments. Get used to it. It's the real world. And guess waht, it ain't what you imagine it to be in your delusions

"Hordes of peeps"? SuzieQ is one of the best posters on here. You, on the other hand, know a lot of nothing. The counter doesn't always count! Guess you haven't noticed that.

**vintagevixen**

Joni has Morgellons?????

Omgsign

vv

**Old Whatshisname**

BJ Wrote:

"Hordes of peeps"? SuzieQ is one of the best posters on here. You, on the other hand, know a lot of nothing. The counter doesn't always count! Guess you haven't noticed that.

*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*
I knew it! Disturbed, Archie, Omega, Lensie, Geogal -- All the Mods! They're De-Counting the Counter! They're all part of the "chem-trail" plot!
*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*OMG*WTF*

**SuzieQ** lop guest User ID: 46209 06-11-2012 03:20 AM

vintagevixen Wrote:

Joni has Morgellons?????

vv

Yes, I believe she's had it about 20 years now.

**Old Whatshisname**

SuzieQ, I think the person who refers to you as a "quacker" is, to put it a bit mildly, a bit crude in his comments.

However, your calling him a "fuckhead" is hardly ladylike. I would suggest that, rather than engage in a urinary olympiad with your fellow posters, you do a little research and see just what the CDC/Kaiser Permanente report has to say. If you have any credible data which contradicts that, of course, we'd all like to see it.

Yours for Science,

Duncan

**gell** lop guest User ID: 55367 06-11-2012 03:34 AM

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

I would suggest that, rather than engage in a urinary olympiad with your fellow posters, you do a little research and see just what the CDC/Kaiser Permanente report has to say

the Kaiser Permanente ??
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