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*YHOO* yahoo up fast out of the gate

*AAPL* up 2% out of the gate bucking all the chart people having them in a down trend and not just profit taking.

Lets watch.....average people can't play Apple. but you can learn trend dynamics Jhikpghf
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I Know Money  Wrote: (01-16-2013 04:43 PM)
*YHOO* yahoo up fast out of the gate

*AAPL* up 2% out of the gate bucking all the chart people having them in a down trend and not just profit taking.

Lets watch.....average people can't play Apple. but you can learn trend dynamics Jhikpghf

Both images can be double zoomed.

I am leaning to the #2 example below. Views of Daily AAPL since the major low set 11/25/2011. Both charts are bearish cases of head and shoulder formations. I can shows some bullish cases in the future because the PE is only around 11. The charts tell me something could be wrong within AAPL or its distribution system. It could be showing a classic topping formation slanted at an angle. Since AAPL's share price is so high, I hope to show how one can play AAPL with long naked options with risk of 100% loss which are levered relative to the stock. This is by far the best company in the world which means there are prolly better bear opportunities.

Bearish Case #1:

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Bearish Case #2:

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Post: #213
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I Know Money  Wrote: (01-16-2013 05:50 AM)
AMPAMPERSAND  Wrote: (01-16-2013 05:24 AM)
I Know Money  Wrote: (01-16-2013 05:00 AM)
Will you be around on Sunday?

I would love a 10 point ....point counter point debate with you on this material you brought up.

Game?


Ground Rules.......No trolling or anger just real material and data to back up point if needed. OK.

Fair debate?

Debate what? with what "real material"? The SEC won't acknowledge Naked Short Selling (even though they grandfathered in a bunch of Counterfeit Shares with the start of REGSHO), Fails to deliver is so lax and enough loopholes that it is easily circumvented (some are not even required to report FTD's). The DTCC knows exactly how many counterfeit shares they have in their "vaults", but won't release the information, and that doesn't include how many the self clearing Brokerages have floating around. Are you going to debate that Dark Pools are not manipulation? How about High Frequency Trading (HFT), are you going to say that entering thousands orders per minute with no intention of the order ever being filled is not stock price manipulation? Does HFT just add liquidity like the SEC and FINRA say it does, or that HFT makes the market more efficient or LOL "cheaper for retail investors"?

I think in a passive way, you are so fired up about this material that you can't concede I may have a side.

Understand the markets, and it sounds like you do.

[b]You could be a very comfortable man with appropriate caution what holds you back?[/b]

I can't speak for him but I imagine it might be that this thread glamorizes the very kind of greed that caused the credit crisis and the mortgage securities crisis and that precipitated TARP.

And it isn't as if there are no victims when people game the system to siphon wealth out of a market that is supposed to serve as an engine for economic growth and a safe (regulated) investment sanctuary.

The very fact that you would try to glamorize this callous greed is evidence in abundance that the corrupt seeds of crisis just passed have become new shoots for future econ crisis that need to be eradicated.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-16-2013 05:46 PM)
I Know Money  Wrote: (01-16-2013 05:50 AM)
AMPAMPERSAND  Wrote: (01-16-2013 05:24 AM)
Debate what? with what "real material"? The SEC won't acknowledge Naked Short Selling (even though they grandfathered in a bunch of Counterfeit Shares with the start of REGSHO), Fails to deliver is so lax and enough loopholes that it is easily circumvented (some are not even required to report FTD's). The DTCC knows exactly how many counterfeit shares they have in their "vaults", but won't release the information, and that doesn't include how many the self clearing Brokerages have floating around. Are you going to debate that Dark Pools are not manipulation? How about High Frequency Trading (HFT), are you going to say that entering thousands orders per minute with no intention of the order ever being filled is not stock price manipulation? Does HFT just add liquidity like the SEC and FINRA say it does, or that HFT makes the market more efficient or LOL "cheaper for retail investors"?

I think in a passive way, you are so fired up about this material that you can't concede I may have a side.

Understand the markets, and it sounds like you do.

[b]You could be a very comfortable man with appropriate caution what holds you back?[/b]

I can't speak for him but I imagine it might be that this thread glamorizes the very kind of greed that caused the credit crisis and the mortgage securities crisis and that precipitated TARP.

And it isn't as if there are no victims when people game the system to siphon wealth out of a market that is supposed to serve as an engine for economic growth and a safe (regulated) investment sanctuary.

The very fact that you would try to glamorize this callous greed is evidence in abundance that the corrupt seeds of crisis just passed have become new shoots for future econ crisis that need to be eradicated.

Choices right now are few.

Jobs are gone.
Housing is way down
Commodities are way up.


1) Learn the power of money and how to play.
2) Starve in a gov bread line
3) Revolution

option 3 would be noble but you would lose
option 2 would be beaten by a survival instinct

what is left
I'm offering an option to the average person out of work

have any others, I'm listening.

Times are very tough what I'm talking about may be beyond the average person, but at least it is a positive dialog.

what is your positive dialog?

welcome and good morning Cheer

Teaching larger groups to pool money and form investment clubs might be a good idea as well
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*GRPN* has turned down as expected, Did you check the deep chart work That Geek did for you on this stock?

Groupon .....strong buy in the mid 4's and a great starter stock, stable company with a possible buy-out coming.

Jhikpghf
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Image can be double zoomed.

A view of the Quarterly YHOO since 1996. Notice the Parabolic Curve breakout which likely coincided with or related to YHOO selling some of the stake in Alibaba. I might consider drilling down further because of the quarterly technical breakout at a low price historically speaking.

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Quote:In Buyback Deal, Alibaba Gets Half of Yahoo’s Stake

Yahoo closed on the sale of half of its stake in the Alibaba Group of China, the company said Tuesday, giving it $3 billion to return to its shareholders.
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/a...rom-yahoo/
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*DELL* has turned down as expected some profit taking. Listen to geek and how he does chart work will help all in the toughest part of this gig..

picking a stock's bottom leg before it turns up again.

Picking the bottom is something we will talk about in detail here. Jhikpghf
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*MDBX* Medbox our cannabis star that makes a vending machine for the medical cannabis industry.

is coming back down from the near 100 level again, Long term this stock has support for the 15 dollar level wait for this stock to settle down and it might become viable for you.

This is quite a story............started around 3 and went to 215

wait
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Driven by strong investment banking, equity offerings and debt underwriting results, investment banking giant Goldman Sachs reported quarterly earnings and revenues on Wednesday that far exceeded Wall Street's expectations.

Earnings excluding items jumped to $5.60 per share from $1.84 a share in the year-earlier period,with net revenues improving to $9.24 billion from $6.05 billion a year ago. The bank saw net earnings of $2.89 billion in the quarter, with an annualized return on equity of 16.5 percent


that's 101 million dollars/day each and every day in a 91 day Q.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100382221
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Driven by strong investment banking, equity offerings and debt underwriting results, investment banking giant Goldman Sachs reported quarterly earnings and revenues on Wednesday that far exceeded Wall Street's expectations.

Earnings excluding items jumped to $5.60 per share from $1.84 a share in the year-earlier period,with net revenues improving to $9.24 billion from $6.05 billion a year ago. The bank saw net earnings of $2.89 billion in the quarter, with an annualized return on equity of 16.5 percent


that's 101 million dollars/day each and every day in a 91 day Q.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100382221

Goldman was the slimey-est of the 2007-8 farce.

To pricey for the average or starter investor.

We can rail about Banks or The Fed, but you know it is not going to change anytime soon.

So can you play their game within your means and take care of you to spite them?

Hmmmmmmmm
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Image can be double zoomed.

A view of the Monthly JDSU since 1994. Notice price is following the pitchfork. Also notice the 100 month moving average I am showing in this chart (white line). When price moved up to the 100 month moving average, sellers showed up. Also, notice the technical breakout of the monthly parabolic curve at $13.95. I expect price to trade up to the 100 month moving average again in the near future (this year) around the low 20s.

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Options Trader Alert for JDS Uniphase Corporation (JDSU) posted at AVAFIN on 01/09/2013 by Tom Kaplan


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NEW YORK (AVAFIN) -- Options contracts of JDS Uniphase Corporation experienced unusual volume on put contracts. Today's put volume outweighed call contracts at a ratio of 1.3:1, yielding 1.27 put/call ratio. Buyers and sellers exchanged 6,490 put and 5,096 call contracts during the market session.

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On the volume side, 6M shares were traded which is greater than the average volume. JDS Uniphase Corporation is trading above the 50 day moving average and higher than the 200 day moving average. Shares of JDSU opened today at $13.87 and settled the day down $0.32 to $13.52 during the session. The day's trading range is between $13.32 and $13.91 respectively. Within the last week, the shares have gained 2.52% of their value.

http://www.avafin.com/articles/1020093.html
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Driven by strong investment banking, equity offerings and debt underwriting results, investment banking giant Goldman Sachs reported quarterly earnings and revenues on Wednesday that far exceeded Wall Street's expectations.

Earnings excluding items jumped to $5.60 per share from $1.84 a share in the year-earlier period,with net revenues improving to $9.24 billion from $6.05 billion a year ago. The bank saw net earnings of $2.89 billion in the quarter, with an annualized return on equity of 16.5 percent


that's 101 million dollars/day each and every day in a 91 day Q.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100382221

Goldman was the slimey-est of the 2007-8 farce.

To pricey for the average or starter investor.

We can rail about Banks or The Fed, but you know it is not going to change anytime soon.

So can you play their game within your means and take care of you to spite them?

Hmmmmmmmm

I don't need that money. I have plenty. I also have lots of other ways to make more money if I needed it.

You probably do too. And so does the human race as a whole. Actual productive work, that creates an actual benefit for real people.

Are you part of the problem, or part of the solution?
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Image can be double zoomed.

A view of the Monthly JDSU since 1994. Notice price is following the pitchfork. Also notice the 100 month moving average I am showing in this chart (white line). When price moved up to the 100 month moving average, sellers showed up. Also, notice the technical breakout of the monthly parabolic curve at $13.95. I expect price to trade up to the 100 month moving average again in the near future (this year) around the low 20s.

link to image: http://i.imgur.com/2KkPR.png

and I have to wonder why you think that. Nothing in that chart indicates to me that that will occur, esp as most stocks are subject to momentum driven by real world events including manipulation and pump and dump schemes.

Your chart doesn't represent any of the real world drivers of JDSU stock prices.

Besides statistical probabilities break down to zero when applied to individual instances. They work great when you use a large sample group to predict the outcome of a large sample group. But as soon as you generate stats with a small sample group or try to apply stats to a small sample group the reliability falls accordingly.

Once you reach the point where a sample group consists of just one random sample or when you try to apply stats to just one example the margin of error becomes +/- 50%, or expressed differently as less than 100% and more than 0%.

Which makes stats pretty useless when trying to predict future stock prices of a single listing.
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SecretGeek  Wrote: (01-16-2013 06:34 PM)
Image can be double zoomed.

A view of the Monthly JDSU since 1994. Notice price is following the pitchfork. Also notice the 100 month moving average I am showing in this chart (white line). When price moved up to the 100 month moving average, sellers showed up. Also, notice the technical breakout of the monthly parabolic curve at $13.95. I expect price to trade up to the 100 month moving average again in the near future (this year) around the low 20s.

link to image: http://i.imgur.com/2KkPR.png

and I have to wonder why you think that. Nothing in that chart indicates to me that that will occur, esp as most stocks are subject to momentum driven by real world events including manipulation and pump and dump schemes.

Your chart doesn't represent any of the real world drivers of JDSU stock prices.

Besides statistical probabilities break down to zero when applied to individual instances. They work great when you use a large sample group to predict the outcome of a large sample group. But as soon as you generate stats with a small sample group or try to apply stats to a small sample group the reliability falls accordingly.

Once you reach the point where a sample group consists of just one random sample or when you try to apply stats to just one example the margin of error becomes +/- 50%, or expressed differently as less than 100% and more than 0%.

Which makes stats pretty useless when trying to predict future stock prices of a single listing.

The logic is based upon time creases I discovered. If you don't know about my discovery, then you prolly won't understand my writing you are referring to. That is OK with me.
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