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**Luvapottamus** · (This post was last modified: 05-26-2012 10:45 PM by Luvapottamus.)

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:

ZeitgeistJihadist Wrote:
Conservatives must really be paranoid. The Venus Project, which i support as you can tell from my avatar, is all about 'sustainable communities' and ending the expansion of development into rural areas, as well as destroying money of course. Whats so bad about that? Why does that make you paranoid enough to think its a plan to kill you? I dont know everything about agenda 21 so i cant say i support it, my guess is it is a made up distraction by the globalist pigs, but why do people like you condemn anything thats even remotely close to the idea of saving the earth? You must hate the planet or something.

You make some unfair assumptions, which I gather are directed at me, the OP.

I'm all in favor of more sustainable development. In fact, I front yard garden, sequester plenty of carbon on my property, help my neighbors garden, take the bus and walk, etc. I'm pretty fricken "green".

What I do not like about what I am seeing:

- This is a UN agenda being exacted on the local level, which is in conflict with local communities' sovernty to self-govern, often with very little pulic awareness or input

- The idea that we need to herd the mentally ill and low income into self-contained communities where their every move and their compliance with local agencies will be tracked and monitored through a new computer system that links all local, county, and federal agencies

- The unfair use of property taxes to push people off land they have owned for generations, in the name of "sustainability"

- The unfair (and in violation of the law) use of property taxes to make it difficult for local farmers to be able to afford their property taxes and keep their land

- The big incentives and massive tax breaks being given to local non-profits and for-profit businesses that are executing these goals

- This is a massive centralization of power that is occuring under the guise of "sustainability

And these people have NO VISION.

I was envited onto the forum for Vision 2025, and the people on there had vision.

I made fun of the ballot initiative bacause it was just corporate welfare for the aerospace industry.

"That's so 1950's"

Lmao

I proposed we re-appropriate that pork to attract a solar panel manufacturer, and ground source geothermal.

And there was a big contingency for bringing back the street cars and interurbans.

You used to be able to hop on a street car in downtown Tulsa and ride it all the way to Norman or Guthrie.

Well, after a month or so on that forum, the entire forum community was ready to scrap the initiative and write a new one that promoted things like local organic agriculture and stuff like that(I don't claim credit for that, but I was one of the most pesky debunkers of the shit deal they were trying to foist on everybody).

Then somebody came back from their villa in France and popped in at the forum. And went apeshit.

That was hilarious.

But the thing did still pass with a narrow margin.

They built the arena.
Boeing didn't take the bait.
American Airlines is bankrupt.

All we got was a downtown arena.

BJ lop guest User ID: 98744 05-26-2012 10:42 PM

Agenda 21

The UN's concept of sustainable development, is quite clear, and was
articulated by Maurice Strong, Secretary-General of the 1992 UNCED at which Agenda 21 was adopted. He said:
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle class -- involving high meat intake, consumption of large
amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership of motor vehicles and small electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing -- are not sustainable (emphasis
added)."3

Gro Harlem Brundtland, who also served as Vice Chair of the UNCED, provides further insight into the UN's concept of sustainable development. She told the delegates:

"The North, as well as the rich in the South, will have to change consumption and production patterns. Fair distribution of wealth and opportunity must be provided. We must curb population growth. ...

http://www.freedom.org/el-97/sep97/bor21-sep97.htm

BORDER 2012

The Border 2012 Program is the latest multi-year, bi-national planning effort to be implemented under the La Paz Agreement and succeeds Border XXI, a five-year program that ended in 2000. ...

http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eng/eborder_mechs.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listser...21329.html

So this is why Texas Governor Rick Perry is soft on clamping down on the border. He is a NAFTA man, and was all for the Texas Corridor being built, using the right of eminent domain to take the land from its owners.

The American people have no idea of what's been planned for them behind our backs. Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US!!

**Betty F. Crocker**

BJ Wrote:

Agenda 21

The UN's concept of sustainable development, is quite clear, and was
articulated by Maurice Strong, Secretary-General of the 1992 UNCED at which Agenda 21 was adopted. He said:
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle class -- involving high meat intake, consumption of large
amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership of motor vehicles and small electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing -- are not sustainable (emphasis
added)."3

Gro Harlem Brundtland, who also served as Vice Chair of the UNCED, provides further insight into the UN's concept of sustainable development. She told the delegates:

"The North, as well as the rich in the South, will have to change consumption and production patterns. Fair distribution of wealth and opportunity must be provided. We must curb population growth. ...

http://www.freedom.org/el-97/sep97/bor21-sep97.htm

BORDER 2012

The Border 2012 Program is the latest multi-year, bi-national planning effort to be implemented under the La Paz Agreement and succeeds Border XXI, a five-year program that ended in 2000. ...

http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eng/eborder_mechs.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listser...21329.html

So this is why Texas Governor Rick Perry is soft on clamping down on the border. He is a NAFTA man, and was all for the Texas Corridor being built, using the right of eminent domain to take the land from its owners.

The American people have no idea of what's been planned for them behind our backs. Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US!!

Excellent additional information! Thank you! I'm going to have to read through the links, as I did not have this piece of the puzzle.

It's interesting to me how well the housing crisis and the economic recession/depression we're in further these goals.

Many people displaced from their homes (can be resituated in these big income-contingent, HUD funded, multi-family apartment complexes in city centers) and people who are struggling financially consume far less food and resources. People cannot afford to have more children, thereby curbing population growth.

BJ lop guest User ID: 98748 05-26-2012 11:39 PM

You are welcome for the extra input I posted above, Betty F. Crocker. Here is part of what I read from the link usemabassy-mexico.com, because the link is dead! Sorry...

BORDER 2012

The Border 2012 Program is the latest multi-year, bi-national planning
effort to be implemented under the La Paz Agreement and succeeds Border XXI, a five-year program that ended in 2000. ...

...to improve the lives of people along the US- Mexican Border and in
farmworker communities. (Through HUD programs.)

Mexico immigrants along the border:

...most dramatically in recent years under NAFTA More than 12 million
Mexicans and Americans now live in the counties and municipios that stretch from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico. Almost 250 million people crossed legally into the U.S. from Mexico via land ports of entry in FY 2006. ...

In recent years, new bridges across the Rio Grande/Bravo have been
constructed at four locations. Mexican and U.S. share costs for the
construction of these crossing points. The newest bridge was opened in 2000 and links the two Laredos. It will allow close to THREE MILLION COMMERCIAL TRUCKS to cross the border annually...

(dead link)
http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eng/eborder_mechs.html

Billion$ of our tax dollar$ at work. Thank goodness the "Texas Corridor" failed in the Texas legislature.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 98727 05-27-2012 12:16 AM

Here are some links for those interested:

SMART GROWTH-100 Policies of Implementation
http://www.smartgrowth.org/library/artic...p?art=1427

VERMONT SMART GROWTH "TOOLBOX"
http://www.smartgrowthvermont.org/toolbox/

The above link although for Vermont has the same techniques of implementation on a local level that's used or being used throughout the US. Many states just haven't caught up to the progress on this that they have in Vermont. California is very close to being finished.

SJ Valley Blueprint
http://www.valleyblueprint.org/planning-process.html

**Luvapottamus**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Here are some links for those interested:

SMART GROWTH-100 Policies of Implementation
http://www.smartgrowth.org/library/artic...p?art=1427

VERMONT SMART GROWTH "TOOLBOX"
http://www.smartgrowthvermont.org/toolbox/

The above link although for Vermont has the same techniques of implementation on a local level that's used or being used throughout the US. Many states just haven't caught up to the progress on this that they have in Vermont. California is very close to being finished.

SJ Valley Blueprint
http://www.valleyblueprint.org/planning-process.html

About COG
What is the Fresno Council of Governments?

The Fresno Council of Governments (Fresno COG) is a consensus builder, developing acceptable programs and solutions to issues that do not respect political boundaries. Fresno COG is a voluntary association of local governments, one of California’s 38 regional planning agencies, and one of 500+ nationwide. In 1967 elected officials of Fresno County and its incorporated cities informally created the agency, formalizing Fresno COG in 1969 through a Joint Powers Agreement. Fresno COG undertakes comprehensive regional planning with an emphasis on transportation, provides citizens an opportunity to be involved in the planning process, and supplies technical services to its members.

In Tulsa it's INCOG Indian Nations Council of Governments.

So California has been working on this since 1967.

Consensus building takes a long time.

chuckle

**SlowLoris**

Pi Wrote:

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:
I had always heard of Agenda 21 and knew the general tenets, but I really had not investigated it in my own city. While doing some research on something related last night, I stumbled across a considerable amount on infomation that indicates that my city has been implementing Agenda 21 for a long time and is darned far along in the process. Disturbing, to say the least.

I'm trying to parse this new information, and was hoping some perople here (who are more familiar with this topic than I am) would be willing to engage in a discussion and information sharing thread.

It's all really mind boggling - like peeling back the layers of an onion.

Check here to see if your city is a part of the Agenda 21 plan:
http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=11454
(Thanks to Luvapottamus for the link!)

More search terms from AC 98727:
Look for these terms: Sustainable Community Strategy/Plan, Blueprint Process, Smart Growth, Walkable Community.
In Cali a lot of the Agenda 21 goals are tied into legislation on Green House Gases...look into Assembly Bill 32 and senate Bill 375

Nope. My city not listed.

Neither is mine, my county is not listed either. That is real scary because I suspect that humans will be forbidden in my county. Too many lakes and wetlands.

**Betty F. Crocker** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2012 01:46 AM by Betty F. Crocker.)

Just2Laws Wrote:

Pi Wrote:
Betty F. Crocker Wrote:
I had always heard of Agenda 21 and knew the general tenets, but I really had not investigated it in my own city. While doing some research on something related last night, I stumbled across a considerable amount on infomation that indicates that my city has been implementing Agenda 21 for a long time and is darned far along in the process. Disturbing, to say the least.

I'm trying to parse this new information, and was hoping some perople here (who are more familiar with this topic than I am) would be willing to engage in a discussion and information sharing thread.

It's all really mind boggling - like peeling back the layers of an onion.

Check here to see if your city is a part of the Agenda 21 plan:
http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=11454
(Thanks to Luvapottamus for the link!)

More search terms from AC 98727:
Look for these terms: Sustainable Community Strategy/Plan, Blueprint Process, Smart Growth, Walkable Community.
In Cali a lot of the Agenda 21 goals are tied into legislation on Green House Gases...look into Assembly Bill 32 and senate Bill 375

Nope. My city not listed.

Neither is mine, my county is not listed either. That is real scary because I suspect that humans will be forbidden in my county. Too many lakes and wetlands.

OK, interesting.

Just out of curiousity, try gooling name of your town + "entitlement community". Try it with your county as well. If nothing, then try doing the same with the closest big city and then with the closest big county.

**Betty F. Crocker**

Luvapottamus Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Here are some links for those interested:

SMART GROWTH-100 Policies of Implementation
http://www.smartgrowth.org/library/artic...p?art=1427

VERMONT SMART GROWTH "TOOLBOX"
http://www.smartgrowthvermont.org/toolbox/

The above link although for Vermont has the same techniques of implementation on a local level that's used or being used throughout the US. Many states just haven't caught up to the progress on this that they have in Vermont. California is very close to being finished.

SJ Valley Blueprint
http://www.valleyblueprint.org/planning-process.html

About COG
What is the Fresno Council of Governments?

The Fresno Council of Governments (Fresno COG) is a consensus builder, developing acceptable programs and solutions to issues that do not respect political boundaries. Fresno COG is a voluntary association of local governments, one of California’s 38 regional planning agencies, and one of 500+ nationwide. In 1967 elected officials of Fresno County and its incorporated cities informally created the agency, formalizing Fresno COG in 1969 through a Joint Powers Agreement. Fresno COG undertakes comprehensive regional planning with an emphasis on transportation, provides citizens an opportunity to be involved in the planning process, and supplies technical services to its members.

In Tulsa it's INCOG Indian Nations Council of Governments.

So California has been working on this since 1967.

Consensus building takes a long time.

We have a COG too - CAPCOG to be exact. I'm guessing they have these in major mertopolitan areas across the country. Reminds me of when Alex Jones talks about 'shadow governments'.

**Betty F. Crocker**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Here are some links for those interested:

SMART GROWTH-100 Policies of Implementation
http://www.smartgrowth.org/library/artic...p?art=1427

VERMONT SMART GROWTH "TOOLBOX"
http://www.smartgrowthvermont.org/toolbox/

The above link although for Vermont has the same techniques of implementation on a local level that's used or being used throughout the US. Many states just haven't caught up to the progress on this that they have in Vermont. California is very close to being finished.

SJ Valley Blueprint
http://www.valleyblueprint.org/planning-process.html

The terminology "Toolbox" or "Toolkit" is one they use here as well when making these sustainability plans. I've come across it too. Although it all sounds warm and fuzzy on the surface, when I click through to the "Planning Framework" section, it really sounds like these "Development Review Boards" are going to have a lot of say over who gets to do what where. Lots of potential for abuse when a small group has such immense power coupled with the overall agenda to severely restrict land use.

That first link is excellent! I'm looking at that now. The list of "Smart Growth Principles" at this link http://www.smartgrowth.org/network.php gives a lot of the common terminology used.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 91621 05-27-2012 02:21 AM

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:

I've noticed that funding for a lot of the housing they're building (for all of the people on the outskirts they're displacing) is coming down through HUD (federal level - Housing and Urban Development). Lots and lots of funding for housing for the poor, displaced, mentally ill, and homeless. (That in and of itself is suspect because - when has the government ever given two shits about these populations?!)

You might want to read this re: Entitlement Communities Grants from HUD - pay attention to the section "Eligible Activities" http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=...ntitlement

Based on this law: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=...ws/sec5301
(I have not read through that in its entirety yet, but thought you might be interested.)

I looked over the HUD material and mostly it talks about grants. The county would have to apply for the funds so I'll have investigate the county and see what they are up to and how much HUD money they have.

Recently I was reading about the Dust Bowl in the 1930s and how many farmers in TX lost their farms due to falling prices of crops NOT necessarily to drought. Oil barons swooped in and bought up the land for pennies on the dollar.

**Betty F. Crocker** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2012 02:42 AM by Betty F. Crocker.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:
I've noticed that funding for a lot of the housing they're building (for all of the people on the outskirts they're displacing) is coming down through HUD (federal level - Housing and Urban Development). Lots and lots of funding for housing for the poor, displaced, mentally ill, and homeless. (That in and of itself is suspect because - when has the government ever given two shits about these populations?!)

You might want to read this re: Entitlement Communities Grants from HUD - pay attention to the section "Eligible Activities" http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=...ntitlement

Based on this law: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=...ws/sec5301
(I have not read through that in its entirety yet, but thought you might be interested.)

I looked over the HUD material and mostly it talks about grants. The county would have to apply for the funds so I'll have investigate the county and see what they are up to and how much HUD money they have.

Recently I was reading about the Dust Bowl in the 1930s and how many farmers in TX lost their farms due to falling prices of crops NOT necessarily to drought. Oil barons swooped in and bought up the land for pennies on the dollar.

I guess in order to apply for a lot of those grants, cities have to have a Comprehensive Plan in place. I was just reading about that on another website.

I know that farmers here (I'm in central Texas), especially the newer more urban organic farms, are struggling to keep their farms in large part because the local tax assessors refuse to give them the agricultural exemptions they are entitled to by law and instead tax them at the highest rate possible. It seems they are really just making up the rules as they go re: property taxes at the local level (from the research I've done).

I just stumbled across this website, and was just reading about the financing part. One question I have had is - we're supposedly in a recession - so where is all this money for all of this stuff coming from? Coincidentally, I'd also recently been researching the Bank for International Settlements, which i thought was unrelated. It seems it's not:

Q9. What are the mechanisms that perpetuate Agenda 21 programs?

The main mechanisms for Agenda 21's advance are the current monetary system coordinated through the Bank for International Settlements and trade policy dictated by the World Trade Organization. If not stopped they will transform humans into livestock (Agenda 21).

The United Nations’ Agenda 21 Sustainable Development is a movement. The commitment was coordinated by the following:

1) Agenda 21 was agreed to by 178 nations (with their funding capacity) including grant money.

2) Thousands of NGOs (Non Governmental Organizations) are accredited by the United Nations for purposes of implementing Agenda 21 Sustainable Development.

3) Multinational corporations and other businesses that partner and often receive subsidy from government advance the economic and marketing components of Agenda 21 Sustainable Development.

4) Academia is nearly fully infiltrated with Agenda 21 implementers (many of whom are truly useful idiots) as academia is organized and financed to advance Agenda 21 Sustainable Development ideas among the youth.

5) Private foundations including Pew, MacArthur, Packard, Carnegie, Mellon, Turner, Rockefeller, Soros, Gates, Tides, Community Foundations and many others are also financing Agenda 21 Sustainable Development objectives.

http://www.freedomadvocates.org/frequent...uestions_/

Lots and lots of other really good info there about how things are implemented on the local level.

**Luvapottamus** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2012 02:47 AM by Luvapottamus.)

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Here are some links for those interested:

SMART GROWTH-100 Policies of Implementation
http://www.smartgrowth.org/library/artic...p?art=1427

VERMONT SMART GROWTH "TOOLBOX"
http://www.smartgrowthvermont.org/toolbox/

The above link although for Vermont has the same techniques of implementation on a local level that's used or being used throughout the US. Many states just haven't caught up to the progress on this that they have in Vermont. California is very close to being finished.

SJ Valley Blueprint
http://www.valleyblueprint.org/planning-process.html

The terminology "Toolbox" or "Toolkit" is one they use here as well when making these sustainability plans. I've come across it too. Although it all sounds warm and fuzzy on the surface, when I click through to the "Planning Framework" section, it really sounds like these "Development Review Boards" are going to have a lot of say over who gets to do what where. Lots of potential for abuse when a small group has such immense power coupled with the overall agenda to severely restrict land use.

That first link is excellent! I'm looking at that now. The list of "Smart Growth Principles" at this link http://www.smartgrowth.org/network.php gives a lot of the common terminology used.

There are a few things that creep me out about these organizations.

The first is that we actually do need urban planning. WE shouldn't just let our whole landscape turn into random strip malls spread out over the maximum land area (like Oklahoma City)

That completely sucks. But anytime you do a zoning change, or transportation system change, there's always a scramble by insiders to capitalize on that.

Right now, Tulsa is thinking about a multi-transport hub near the airport. Bringing air, rail, road, and our deep water port together into a transport hub.

It's a great idea. It'd be even better if we built a passenger rail depot out there.

But who owns the land right now? And the surrounding land, and who's gonna snatch it up before this deal goes through?

That's always something to be wary about. With this system of COGS, there gotta be some uber-insiders making huge deals behind the scenes.

There's no justification for having all these organizations be the same.

And if you look deeply into their policies and the results, you'll see that they PRETEND to gather public input. It's the Stakeholders they care a little bit about, but the method is "consensus building" which means pretend you want input then steer everybody around to what you already have planned and make the public think they asked for it.

And you see what happens when the public doesn't buy it. They say shit like "well we have to do something, something is better than nothing" and they do what they wanted before any public input.

That's what happened here anyway. They didn't get away with much though, yet. This is a real republican county, so they haven't tried to float any wetlands schemes.

Not yet anyway.

chuckle

**SlowLoris** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2012 02:52 AM by SlowLoris.)

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:

Just2Laws Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
Nope. My city not listed.

Neither is mine, my county is not listed either. That is real scary because I suspect that humans will be forbidden in my county. Too many lakes and wetlands.

OK, interesting.

Just out of curiosity, try googling name of your town + "entitlement community". Try it with your county as well. If nothing, then try doing the same with the closest big city and then with the closest big county.

Did that and got a five year plan for implementing low income housing using Federal HUD money.

The City of Lakeland’s Consolidated Plan for 2010-2015 has been prepared to meet statutory planning and application requirements in 24 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) part 91, for the receipt and use of funding from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Congress has set forth three basic goals for the entitlement programs:
Provide Decent Housing;
Provide a Suitable Living Environment; and
Expand Economic Opportunities.

**Betty F. Crocker** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2012 02:59 AM by Betty F. Crocker.)

Just2Laws Wrote:

Betty F. Crocker Wrote:
Just2Laws Wrote:
Neither is mine, my county is not listed either. That is real scary because I suspect that humans will be forbidden in my county. Too many lakes and wetlands.

OK, interesting.

Just out of curiosity, try googling name of your town + "entitlement community". Try it with your county as well. If nothing, then try doing the same with the closest big city and then with the closest big county.

Did that and got a five year plan for implementing low income housing using Federal HUD money.

The City of Lakeland’s Consolidated Plan for 2010-2015 has been prepared to meet statutory planning and application requirements in 24 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) part 91, for the receipt and use of funding from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Congress has set forth three basic goals for the entitlement programs:
Provide Decent Housing;
Provide a Suitable Living Environment; and
Expand Economic Opportunities.

Then there's probably a comprehensive plan to be found in there somewhere. It looks to me like they cities cannot qualify for those types of grants unless they have a comprehensive plan or are actively working on one. I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like so far.

They might also call it a "redevelopment plan" or "revitalization plan" or the name of your city plus the words "envision", "vision" or "imagine" - those are all commonly used.

Then again, maybe the Consolidated Plan (since it's only a 5 year plan) is the first step in the process of creating a Comprehensive Plan? Not sure - it's all quite confusing.

About Consolidated Plans and HUD: http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/about/conplan/