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Lucifer=Prometheus?
The Ghost of David Carradine
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03-28-2012 11:57 PM

 



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Lucifer=Prometheus?
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Is that the deal?


Rockefeller Center and all that?


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The Ghost of David Carradine
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03-29-2012 12:00 AM

 



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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Lucifer and Prometheus


Lucifer and Prometheus is the title of a classic work of psychological literary criticism written by R.J. Zwi Werblowsky and published in 1952. In it, Werblowsky argues that the Satan[1] of John Milton's Paradise Lost became a disproportionately appealing character because of attributes he shares with the Greek Titan Prometheus. It has been called "most illuminating" for its historical and typological perspective on Milton's Satan as embodying both positive and negative values.[2] The book has also been significant in pointing out the essential ambiguity of Prometheus and his dual Christ-like/Satanic nature as developed in the Christian tradition.[3]

Werblowsky uses the terminology of Carl Jung and his school in examining "mythological projections of the human psyche", though he emphasizes that he is not interested in the concept of the archetype in the strict Jungian sense. Rather, he sees the myth of figures such as Satan and Prometheus as expressing "the shortcomings … of the world as conceived by the human soul." The relation of power and civilization is explored through the interaction of the concepts of Old Testament sin and Greek hubris. In this analysis, Satan "becomes the sole power-exponent in this sublunar, post-lapsarian but pre-eschatological universe, and thus stands as the prototype of human civilizing effort."

Werblowsky sets out to explore "the heroic at its limits", and makes explicit the motivating factor of World War II and its horrors in undertaking this study:
“ The apocalyptic beast let loose has become a reality to our generation, and nobody knows what is still ahead of us. It is understandable therefore that books on the devil have been on the increase lately. … If the attempts of this school have not yet borne much fruit, it is because we fear the devil's sight more than his activity, and because of a very understandable reticence to force open our 'whited sepulchres.'[4] ”


Lucifer and Prometheus was one of 204 volumes in The International Library of Psychology, Philosophy and Scientific Method series published 1910–1965 and including titles from Jung, Sigmund Freud, Jean Piaget, Erich Fromm and others. It was Werblowsky's first published book.[5] This volume was reissued in 1999 by Routledge. It includes an introduction written by Jung.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_and_Prometheus
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The Lucky AC
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03-29-2012 12:13 AM

 



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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
No way, Prometheus had nothing but compassion and empathy for mankind, unlike the adulterous and cruel Zeus.
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The Lucky AC
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03-29-2012 12:15 AM

 



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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Phometheus is unbound, and Zeus is overthrown.
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The Ghost of David Carradine
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03-29-2012 12:15 AM

 



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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
The Lucky AC  Wrote: (03-29-2012 12:13 AM)
No way, Prometheus had nothing but compassion and empathy for mankind, unlike the adulterous and cruel Zeus.

Well, I'm not saying anything about the two figures, but I am trying to understand what Luciferians (if there really are such folk) worship?

Are they worshiping Proetheus under the name Lucifer, for instance?

Do they "worship" anything at all?
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The Ghost of David Carradine
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03-29-2012 12:25 AM

 



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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
The current version of the Wikipedia article on Prometheus says, "Prometheus had a small shrine in the Kerameikos, or potter's quarter, of Athens, not far from the Academy. The Academy had its own altar dedicated to Prometheus. According to the 2nd-century AD Greek traveler Pausanias, this site was central to a torch race dedicated to Prometheus."

The existence of an ancient Greek shrine to Prometheus is also mentioned in the article Prometheus - Worship, Myth, Comparative perspectives, Promethean myth in culture on the website of the U.S. University Directory.

http://www.meetup.com/Church-of-Azazel-N...ad/8366733
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Guitar Doc
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03-29-2012 12:31 AM

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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
A lot of the lines became blurred when many religions were amalgamated into one by the Romans seeking to gain a hold on peoples minds.

Ruler ship by armed forces is inefficient. Ruler ship by ideal and religion is extremely efficient and makes money easily as it plays on peoples fears of death and punishment [what they turned their religion into] and creates a pattern of behavior and belief. [mind control]

With the merging of the most popular religions into one [Roman Catholicism] many of the roman Gods were merged with their equivalents even being invented if required.
The figure venerated as the Virgin Mary is actually the Black Madonna from pre-Christain days.

With the merging of Deities we have the confusion that reigns today.

Do not forget those that questioned the New religion's validity were killed and branded heretics. The original Christians who refused to convert were thrown to the lions and branded as heretics.

Such displays of power sent a clear message.

All of the scriptures contradicting the New religion were destroyed, we only have the Dead sea scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Gospels to give us a clue of what may have been around and believed.
The great library in Alexandra was burned also.

All of this was just to cover up what had been done.

In a single generation [50 years] all was made to be seamless and that this new religion was Christianity.

Then the Romans continued their rule of Europe as the Roman Catholic church, one of the most effective power bases of all time.

They ruled over King and Queens and controlled the wars between empires with their vast holdings able to lend money to both sides until they were both bled dry, and in debt to the Vatican.

There is little wonder about the confusions that arises around the Christian beliefs and the positions of the Old Roman Gods and their transition to Christian Gods and figures.

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Guitar Doc
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03-29-2012 12:39 AM

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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Hermes and Hermetical is also closely linked to Lucifer, being the light bringer and bearer of wisdom. Indeed many Masonic symbols are that of Hermes Trimester one of the bringers of wisdom. Sophia also is linked to Wisdom.

The symbol of Hermes is the Caduceus or medical symbol ironically seen in my user name.
There is also an odd block of stone than is carved in such a way to look like it should be completed by having a pyramid on top, the Pyramid is implied symbolizing hidden wisdom and invisible wisdom.

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Back Into The Darkness
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03-29-2012 12:49 AM

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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
David  Wrote: (03-28-2012 11:57 PM)
Is that the deal?


Rockefeller Center and all that?


What do you guys think?


check out what gorrila199 has to say about this


http://www.planetxtube.com

Popcorn
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Back Into The Darkness
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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
David  Wrote: (03-28-2012 11:57 PM)
Is that the deal?


Rockefeller Center and all that?


What do you guys think?


check out what gorrila199 has to say about this


http://www.planetxtube.com

Popcorn
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03-29-2012 01:08 AM

 



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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Leviathan?
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GUANO
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03-29-2012 01:18 AM

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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
'the Devil' of the Bible is 'ego'... These 'occult forces' always have many titles, the exact 'hierarchy of forces' is not clearly known, but both deamonology and psychology are dedicated to trying to establish a clear hierarchy. "Lucifer" defined as a "lightbearer" is any "awareness delivering mechanism or vehicle" (epiphany)--on the individual or the collective level. The problem here is that the 'Devil' has in it's nature the ability to cloak 'itself' as a 'light giver/Prometheus/epiphany' -- "The Devil as Lucifer"... This can be defined as "an Ego-delivered false perception of awareness", or to put it simply, a self-deception...

Within the occult religions/societies, there is a lot of chaos in theology--and they don't care... For instance, Mars as "Lucifer" would be "War as a vehicle which delivers enlightenment" Venus can be Lucifer, Sirius can be Lucifer... The standard occult Lucifer (a bright star or planet appearing directly above the sun before sunrise) is a 'great omen, epiphany, prominent person/personality/archetype which is known by all or a great majority of all humans and which heralds the coming of a new age/order/hierarchy within society...

You can see this whole theology tied in with the formation of the United States as well as around the French Revolution... The Liberty Goddess with a male face and countenance and a female figure is 'The Devil as the Lucifer responsible for the formation of the United States'...

Pan is also considered the 'Devil'---this also ties in with 'ego' which is responsible for the concept of the "Dog-Eat-Dog Wild Planet"... The Devil Force is considered as ultimately responsible for the existence of "Death" even in the natural world, like animals killing eachother for their own survival... The existence and behavior of animals and natural phenomena are considered a 'collective projection of the psyche' and thus it's considered that if the psyche changes with enough force it will actually impact the natural realm, animal behavior, earthquakes/floods, extinction events, plant life/behavior, atmospheric pressure, oxygen content, you name it... With 'enough faith anything is possible'---faith is the very power which sustains the natural world... FAITH and BELIEF are naturally manifested as the laws of gravity, attraction, etc... Precious metals are a manifestation of 'beautiful traits and virtues formed through a human mind under intense internal gravitational forces' just like the fact that planets are the same... Everything we see is a projection of the collective psyche of all living things--the higher-psychological powers having 'authority' over the smaller ones... Humans having FULL AND TOTAL dominion over the lesser lifeforms (as proposed in Genesis) and thus the behavior and personalities of the animals being an outward/external expression of the internal condition of the human mind/heart/psyche and that earth and plants and nothing can exist unless it is observed and perceived to exist by something, somewhere... Thus, above all natural and supernatural laws, systems and physics which are symbiotic (not being able to exist without the other and having no reasonable origin within itself) are therefore sustained by a SINGLE great force which can only be compared to 'a full and total understanding/light regarding all things and exists outside of space and time' and it can also be 'all good things which can be observed and recognized 100% collectively by all living things outside of space and time'...

... Total Protonic Reversal
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SpeaRitual
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03-29-2012 07:32 AM

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Post: #13
RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Cry Bastille

Dost darkness reign within thy self
reflected outward in starring roles,
cruel power, shrewd wealth; clandestiny.

Fellow man? Erotic shrine, shadownite.

The gall, such bile - how do we filter
what's opaque--when brought to light.

Is it not jealousy or daring that lacks?
Stealing fire of gods - for giving to...
Hidden treasures craved not, by any?

Whose whispers quenched ruling ears
since the first. What is power?

Affinity.

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Safety, Serenity, Strength. Céad Míle Fáilte
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Skippy
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03-29-2012 08:05 AM

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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Lucifer is Venus which is feminine. Prometheus is known as a son....

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I know, I know... That's what I've been saying here for the past 3 years...
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The Ghost of David Carradine
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RE: Lucifer=Prometheus?
Skippy  Wrote: (03-29-2012 08:05 AM)
Lucifer is Venus which is feminine. Prometheus is known as a son....

People can use symbols for things other than their original meaning, Skippy.

I am talking about people in the nineteenth, twentieth and twenty-first century worshiping Lucifer AS A PROMETHEAN FIGURE.
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