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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 53666 11-30-2011 01:19 PM

GUANO Wrote:

The modern golem, the Corporation as human animation, was invocated in 1886.

Essentially, corporations, which before that time were required in most states to serve the common good and possessed limited lifespans and rights, were transformed into beings that held the rights of actual humans, were immortal, and could wield tremendous power.

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
I personally know a lot about Astrology, Astrolatry, Divination, Talismanic Magic, Ceremonial/Ritual Magic, Sorcery, Necromancy, Transmutation, Alchemy, etc... But you don't see me consulting the stars, creating golems, or anything of the like.

ok, but the Bible does state that wise men do, consulting the stars that is: wise men consult the stars

Matthew 2:2

We have seen his star in the east

aka: east-star

or at least... those wise men do... there are many scriptures which speak against those types of arts.

**Diana Highnight**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Diana Highnight Wrote:
a related thread:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Enemies-...Elementals

you speak of black magic

what of white magic?

What of it? It exists. There are those, including myself, who profess it's practice...I find white magick is the business of the individual and the universe, and collectives have no place in its practice.

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

what of white magic?

I have not seen any 'white magicians' ascend into the heavens based on typical occult doctrine like alchemy. I personally don't believe there is any way to cleanse yourself and/or transmute your spirit into 'gold' through a system of 'good works'...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 15114 11-30-2011 01:27 PM

GUANO Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
GUANO Wrote:
I personally know a lot about Astrology, Astrolatry, Divination, Talismanic Magic, Ceremonial/Ritual Magic, Sorcery, Necromancy, Transmutation, Alchemy, etc... But you don't see me consulting the stars, creating golems, or anything of the like.

ok, but the Bible does state that wise men do, consulting the stars that is: wise men consult the stars

Matthew 2:2

We have seen his star in the east

aka: east-star

or at least... those wise men do... there are many scriptures which speak against those types of arts.

hence a paradox, the greatest paradox of the Bible in my opinion

because yes, you are correct, there are many scriptures that speak against such practices as the so-called 'wise men' did

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 15114 11-30-2011 01:28 PM

GUANO Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
what of white magic?

I have not seen any 'white magicians' ascend into the heavens based on typical occult doctrine like alchemy. I personally don't believe there is any way to cleanse yourself and/or transmute your spirit into 'gold' through a system of 'good works'...

the issue is white magic and black magic, not white magicians and black magicians

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 15114 11-30-2011 01:35 PM

Diana Highnight Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Diana Highnight Wrote:
a related thread:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Enemies-...Elementals

you speak of black magic

what of white magic?

What of it? It exists. There are those, including myself, who profess it's practice...I find white magick is the business of the individual and the universe, and collectives have no place in its practice.

white magic is basically nothing hidden, all methods and techniques clearly defined and explained- nothing hidden, everything seen

to a point that is, always is some mystery

now the most mysterious seems to be red magic, the one with the most unknowns that is

**GUANO**

Diana Highnight Wrote:

a related thread:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Enemies-...Elementals

I can't post on your topic, but is an 'elemental' the appropriate definition of the corporate spirits you speak of? I see corporations as well as any 'collective body' utilizing the spirits of MANY elementals and nature spirits, but even those are only part of the single body, which is man-made, the only thing I can identify it with is an idol (a likeness of things which exist in heaven and on earth)... The elementals would not themselves be the main spirit, the spirit will be whatever man calls it, the elementals would be 'daemons' (background processes within the psyche of the created entity)...

Good post though, i'll have to read it all.

**GUANO**

LoP Guest Wrote:

GUANO Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
what of white magic?

I have not seen any 'white magicians' ascend into the heavens based on typical occult doctrine like alchemy. I personally don't believe there is any way to cleanse yourself and/or transmute your spirit into 'gold' through a system of 'good works'...

the issue is white magic and black magic, not white magicians and black magicians

the only difference between the two is the perceived morality behind the 'will' of the sorcerer.

sorcery is most basically 'the use of power gained from the assistance or control of spirits'.... The most basic 'spirits' are a person's emotions... Both white and black magic utilize power gained from the control of spirits...

While summoning, in Goetic Magick, you are manipulating your own psyche in a way which allows spirits that exist inside you (and thus in the cosmos as you are a microcosm) to manifest in a hallucination (psychologists call this phenomena multiple personality disorder) and then learn secrets from it (according to Eliphas Levi, Crowley, and others). Sounds dangerous to me.

Aside from the above dangers, both 'paths' seem very immoral to me, as both 'paths' are used to manipulate the spirits of others in order to get them to feel or do as you desire, thus you become their master, doesn't sound right to me... Basic 'emotion-manipulation' is the most common form of sorcery, almost everyone does it unbeknownst to them.

in the left, right, white, and black magic systems, you are on an ascending path... but they got it ALL WRONG. The least is truly the greatest! The only way to truly ascend is to descend. The true master is the servant of all.

white magicians do have a better moral foundation, it's true. I have visions, waking trances, spirits come to me, but I do not summon, there is no device I use. I simply ask the Father, he sends his servants to reveal truth when needed. Most truth can get extracted by observation of nature and human behaviors, no need to consult spirits--ESPECIALLY from the collective unconscious! That place is full of profane spirits which come from the collective psyche of fallen man, most are destined for destruction by truth (when it is finally fully revealed), why would you talk to those things? Also, the processes take a lot of time and work and typically you'll walk away with a case of MPD and a delusional world-view...

Want to know what sorcery brings you? Read the biographies of the greatest sorcerers... crowley, levi, etc... they were typically full of the most serious psychological problems... crowley claimed to be more of a white/right hand magician but there was nothing moral about the guy whatsoever...

**Diana Highnight**

GUANO Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
GUANO Wrote:
I have not seen any 'white magicians' ascend into the heavens based on typical occult doctrine like alchemy. I personally don't believe there is any way to cleanse yourself and/or transmute your spirit into 'gold' through a system of 'good works'...

the issue is white magic and black magic, not white magicians and black magicians

the only difference between the two is the perceived morality behind the 'will' of the sorcerer.

sorcery is most basically 'the use of power gained from the assistance or control of spirits'.... The most basic 'spirits' are a person's emotions... Both white and black magic utilize power gained from the control of spirits...

While summoning, in Goetic Magick, you are manipulating your own psyche in a way which allows spirits that exist inside you (and thus in the cosmos as you are a microcosm) to manifest in a hallucination (psychologists call this phenomena multiple personality disorder) and then learn secrets from it (according to Eliphas Levi, Crowley, and others). Sounds dangerous to me.

Aside from the above dangers, both 'paths' seem very immoral to me, as both 'paths' are used to manipulate the spirits of others in order to get them to feel or do as you desire, thus you become their master, doesn't sound right to me... Basic 'emotion-manipulation' is the most common form of sorcery, almost everyone does it unbeknownst to them.

in the left, right, white, and black magic systems, you are on an ascending path... but they got it ALL WRONG. The least is truly the greatest! The only way to truly ascend is to descend. The true master is the servant of all.

white magicians do have a better moral foundation, it's true. I have visions, waking trances, spirits come to me, but I do not summon, there is no device I use. I simply ask the Father, he sends his servants to reveal truth when needed. Most truth can get extracted by observation of nature and human behaviors, no need to consult spirits--ESPECIALLY from the collective unconscious! That place is full of profane spirits which come from the collective psyche of fallen man, most are destined for destruction by truth (when it is finally fully revealed), why would you talk to those things? Also, the processes take a lot of time and work and typically you'll walk away with a case of MPD and a delusional world-view...

Want to know what sorcery brings you? Read the biographies of the greatest sorcerers... crowley, levi, etc... they were typically full of the most serious psychological problems... crowley claimed to be more of a white/right hand magician but there was nothing moral about the guy whatsoever...

You do not understand. White Magick deals soley with the magician's relationship with the universe...no other spirits are involved. The magician communes with the Will of the Universe itself and works to become its agent. Everything else is black magick. Period. No exceptions.

**GUANO** · (This post was last modified: 11-30-2011 03:37 PM by GUANO.)

Diana Highnight Wrote:

You do not understand. White Magick deals soley with the magician's relationship with the universe...no other spirits are involved. The magician communes with the Will of the Universe itself and works to become its agent. Everything else is black magick. Period. No exceptions.

As a rule of thumb I would say that if it has spells, it's dealing with the summoning and control of spirits to achieve a desired result. 'White magic' is full of spells and incantations.

As far as communing with the Will of the 'Universe' and working to become it's agent, that's as close as you could get to my 'Christian' path. In the end though, we are all agents of the universe, consciously or not. Hitler is a prime example. If 'God' is 'all that is' then even according to occult philosophy at least 1/3 of 'creation' is 'fallen', with that being said I feel it appropriate to align myself with the current manifestation of Christ through the 'egregore' of his incorporeal kingdom/body as it is destined to be the ruling party and prophesied to 'fill the whole earth' as God finishes the process of becoming 'ALL IN ALL' through the destruction of everything that is not directly connected to the Godhead.

Any attempt to 'save the world' will be in vain. Why would anyone even want to save 'this'? Only those who love that which is currently in the world would want to save it. Humans contain evil and thus they all must die in order to cleanse the earth... Only those who are not of this world will survive after the coming cleaning...

I've done a fair bit of reading your posts over the last few hours. Quite interesting.

**GUANO**

for day readers.

**EXIT** lop guest User ID: 51828 11-30-2011 10:46 PM

Der Golem, wie er in die Welt kam (Full movie)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j9n_1xF7YU

**Ahriman**

Diana Highnight Wrote:

You do not understand. White Magick deals soley with the magician's relationship with the universe...no other spirits are involved. The magician communes with the Will of the Universe itself and works to become its agent. Everything else is black magick. Period. No exceptions.

Entirely correct.

Jhikpghf

**Ahriman**

GUANO Wrote:

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

If this is not a prophecy concerning modern corporatism, slap me now!

Papal Address to Roman Politicians

"Suffering Man Belongs to Us"

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 19, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Here is the Vatican translation of the address Benedict XVI delivered in Italian on Jan. 11 at his traditional new-year meeting with local civil officials.

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ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO BOARD MEMBERS OF THE LAZIO REGION,
THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF ROME
AND THE PROVINCE OF ROME

Clementine Hall
Thursday, 11 January 2007

Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,

ect....

http://www.zenit.org/article-18689?l=english