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All visible matter in the universe is formed from atoms. An atom is so tiny that it takes 127 million of them to make an inch. Each atom consists of tiny electrons that orbit its nucleus. It is the spinning orbits of electrons that generates the illusion of physical matter.

And, this is how that works. For this demonstration I will use a bicycle tire rim with one spoke, and the spoke will represent an electron. I will place the rim in a horizontal position and drop a penny through it. As you can see, the penny easily falls through the rim to the floor.

Now I will spin the rim and the penny has the potential to be deflected by the spoke. The faster the wheel spins, the more the penny will be deflected. The probability that it will be hit by a spoke increases as the speed of the wheel increases.

Suppose the wheel were to move incredibly fast (approaching the speed of light) , it would seem to the person dropping pennies, as solid as a table top. If we were to rotate the wheel and gradually change the axis or angle of rotation from the angle at which it was initially spinning and then increase its speed to near the speed of light, the wheel would appear to be a solid sphere.

Similarly, electrons orbit at gradually changing angles at close to the speed of light around the nucleus of an atom. According to Albert Einstein, angular momentum is essentially indistinguishable from gravity. Thus, the atoms would appear to be as solid as marbles to any force that comes in contact with them and would have gravitational attraction. Our universe is empty space through which electrons and atoms move very quickly in very precise patterns, giving the impression of solid matter.

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Quote:Our universe is empty space through which electrons and atoms move very quickly in very precise patterns, giving the impression of solid matter.

The atom and it's parts are something that intrigues me. Although, I don't think I'm asking the right questions because I'm not scientifically minded. Anon

It's like Greek to me.

Somehow, I think it's very simple though. Neutron, proton, electron. All three needed to "make it happen".

I was just looking something up because of your thread and found this:

The non-reality of matter is just one of many enigmas that science reveals. Consider these:

-- As we lie "still" in bed, we are flying 67,000 miles an hour around the sun and 600,000 miles an hour around the Milky Way galaxy.

-- When we see the North Star, we are looking back in time to the medieval era, because the light we see began traveling 680 years ago.

-- Every second, the visible universe expands by a volume as large as the Milky Way.

-- Peaceful atoms of rock, lying still for centuries, have a power in their nuclei that is beyond comprehension: Only as much matter as a dime was transformed into the energy that destroyed Hiroshima and killed 140,000 people.

-- The smallness of atoms likewise is beyond grasping: A cubic inch of air contains 300 billion billion molecules, all moving at 1,000 miles an hour and hitting each other 5 billion times a second.

-- Although atoms are generally indestructible, their electrons keep coming loose to produce lightning and the other electricity of the world.

-- The light we see, the sun warmth we feel, the radio and television signals we receive, the X-rays we use -- all of these come from electrons. Electromagnetic radiation is emitted by excited electrons oscillating or dropping to lower layers in atoms.

-- Most life on Earth comes from a tiny electric current: When sunlight hits chlorophyll molecules, excited outer electrons jump through a mosaic of molecules, and this energy drives plant processes.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/j.../code.html

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Yes FC , all of this fascinates me too. Our universe is an amazing place.

And, what is most amazing is that all this happens in a universe that is 99.9999999% empty space.

Some scientific study suggests that we live within a virtual reality, and it is all an illusion. The implications for this are mind blowing.

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Yes FC , all of this fascinates me too. Our universe is an amazing place.

And, what is most amazing is that all this happens in a universe that is 99.9999999% empty space.

Some scientific study suggests that we live within a virtual reality, and it is all an illusion. The implications for this are mind blowing.

Perhaps physical matter is a necessity used for comprehension? I like the idea of the "holodeck". And maybe that's what we do. And matter is created so we can.

1dunno1

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Perhaps physical matter is a necessity used for comprehension? I like the idea of the "holodeck". And maybe that's what we do. And matter is created so we can.

I agree with what you said as one possibility.

Or, perhaps we are stuck inside a video game that teens are playing in a different dimension. I hope not because I would hate for someone to start it again, and I would have to live this life over and over . . .

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Full Circle Wrote:
Perhaps physical matter is a necessity used for comprehension? I like the idea of the "holodeck". And maybe that's what we do. And matter is created so we can.

I agree with what you said as one possibility.

Or, perhaps we are stuck inside a video game that teens are playing in a different dimension. I hope not because I would hate for someone to start it again, and I would have to live this life over and over . . .

You ever read "The Dome" by Stephen King? That's basically the premise of his book.

I don't like that scenario though.

And sorry, back to the original post and atoms.....do electrons ever become protons? Or have the ability to? Anon

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Any scientists out there that can decipher this?

http://milesmathis.com/elecpro.html

Anon

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FC,

Yes, that would be my least favorite scenario too. I do not read Stephen King because his stories are a bit too bloody for me.

Atoms consist of protons (in the nucleus) and spinning electrons in the outer shell. As far as I know, a proton will never become an electron (nor visa versa).

It is interesting that there are only about 114 different natural element atoms in the universe. Like DNA, each has its own “logic program” that controls it.

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Any scientists out there that can decipher this?

http://milesmathis.com/elecpro.html

That is just one (of many) theories about the construction of this universe. If a proton and electron are basically the same, then it would be years before that theory became acceptable within the scientific community.

But, that is interesting, and anything is possible.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 25289 06-09-2012 11:46 PM

I like to think of solar systems, galaxies (and probably entire universes) as atoms that, from our perspective, have slowed down enough to watch.

What do ya think all of THOSE atoms together make?

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LoP Guest Wrote:

I like to think of solar systems, galaxies (and probably entire universes) as atoms that, from our perspective, have slowed down enough to watch.

What do ya think all of THOSE atoms together make?

For me, they make a fascinating mystery.

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99014 06-09-2012 11:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzduOQsuYX4

doomed

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 25289 06-10-2012 12:00 AM

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LoP Guest Wrote:
I like to think of solar systems, galaxies (and probably entire universes) as atoms that, from our perspective, have slowed down enough to watch.

What do ya think all of THOSE atoms together make?

For me, they make a fascinating mystery.

Amen to that, and it's what makes life the most interesting for me =)

**Missing** · **Missing** presumed alive User ID: 61542 06-10-2012 01:52 AM **Posts: 203**

Gotcha! Wrote:

All visible matter in the universe is formed from atoms.

What about plasmas? The stuff that makes neon lights glow like stars, and stars glow like neon lights? Visible, yet not made of wedded electrons and protons ... made of electrons and protons divorced!

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An atom is so tiny that it takes 127 million of them to make an inch.

An inch under normal Earth-surface gravity, or an inch within the core of a collapsed star?

On the event horizon of a black hole, light may never complete a journey of an "inch" if the journey is directed away from the gravity source. Thus, in terms of light-speed, an inch is infinitely thick under such conditions.

If an inch's effective thickness changes under conditions of intense gravity, or intense motion, then measuring it by means of the mutual repulsions of neighboring electron-fields leaves something to be desired.

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Suppose the wheel were to move incredibly fast (approaching the speed of light) , it would seem to the person dropping pennies, as solid as a table top. If we were to rotate the wheel and gradually change the axis or angle of rotation from the angle at which it was initially spinning and then increase its speed to near the speed of light, the wheel would appear to be a solid sphere.

As the rim approached the speed of light, it would also approach infinite mass. The penny would fall, not into the region through which the spokes (two, for balance) revolve, but into the rim itself ... there to remain in the grip of relativistically-enhanced gravity.

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Similarly, electrons orbit at gradually changing angles at close to the speed of light around the nucleus of an atom. According to Albert Einstein, angular momentum is essentially indistinguishable from gravity. Thus, the atoms would appear to be as solid as marbles to any force that comes in contact with them and would have gravitational attraction.

The angular momentum of an object increases as the distance from a rotational hub increases, provided the rate of rotation remains constant. So if distance increases angular momentum, while it decreases gravitation, the two can hardly be considered indistinguishable.

Actually, any increase in the radius of an object's rotation must be offset by a decline in the rotational rate (in order to keep angular momentum constant). But its gravitation still changes as the radius grows ... so my distinction between gravitation and angular momentum remains valid and obvious.

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Our universe is empty space through which electrons and atoms move very quickly in very precise patterns, giving the impression of solid matter.

Not empty. And not full.

No place devoid of energy, and no place where more energy cannot be added. And since energy exhibits mass just as its matter-equivalent would, otherwise unoccupied space is still responsive to gravitational effects!