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**Aqua**

Gotcha! Wrote:

All visible matter in the universe is formed from atoms. An atom is so tiny that it takes 127 million of them to make an inch. Each atom consists of tiny electrons that orbit its nucleus. It is the spinning orbits of electrons that generates the illusion of physical matter.

And, this is how that works. For this demonstration I will use a bicycle tire rim with one spoke, and the spoke will represent an electron. I will place the rim in a horizontal position and drop a penny through it. As you can see, the penny easily falls through the rim to the floor.

Now I will spin the rim and the penny has the potential to be deflected by the spoke. The faster the wheel spins, the more the penny will be deflected. The probability that it will be hit by a spoke increases as the speed of the wheel increases.

Suppose the wheel were to move incredibly fast (approaching the speed of light) , it would seem to the person dropping pennies, as solid as a table top. If we were to rotate the wheel and gradually change the axis or angle of rotation from the angle at which it was initially spinning and then increase its speed to near the speed of light, the wheel would appear to be a solid sphere.

Similarly, electrons orbit at gradually changing angles at close to the speed of light around the nucleus of an atom. According to Albert Einstein, angular momentum is essentially indistinguishable from gravity. Thus, the atoms would appear to be as solid as marbles to any force that comes in contact with them and would have gravitational attraction. Our universe is empty space through which electrons and atoms move very quickly in very precise patterns, giving the impression of solid matter.

fascinating, isn't it...?

"the only difference between matter and ether... is vibrational frequency"

**Missing** · (This post was last modified: 06-10-2012 02:26 AM by Missing.)

Aqua Wrote:

fascinating, isn't it...?

"the only difference between matter and ether... is vibrational frequency"

By the same reasoning, the only difference between then and now is where you are perceiving time from.

So if you're more than an object occupying a particular location, now and then could be intertwined.

Are you matter, which ages ... or are you energy, which is ageless?

Is your vibe particulate ... or are you a wave??

**Gotcha!**

Missing;
Thanks for the input, good stuff. But, light consists of photons, and a photon is not an atom.

This universe is an information system and does not consist of physical matter. At least not the kind that we would recognize. It is 99.9999999% empty space. The remaining mass is a TINY strange jumping object that is not identifiable.

**Missing** · **Missing** presumed alive User ID: 61542 06-11-2012 12:42 AM **Posts: 203**

Gotcha! Wrote:

Missing;
Thanks for the input, good stuff. But, light consists of photons, and a photon is not an atom.

This universe is an information system and does not consist of physical matter. At least not the kind that we would recognize. It is 99.9999999% empty space. The remaining mass is a TINY strange jumping object that is not identifiable.

Thanks for being so gracious. Honestly, if you hadn't chosen "Gotcha!" as your label, I wouldn't have raised such a fuss. But, now that I have ....

An electron is a unit of atomic electrical charge, but it expresses as a field rather than an object. Like a spoke in your wheel, it tries to be everywhere at once ... which isn't possible if you consider it to be a physical particle instead of a potential particle. If you somehow could restrain its motion, no doubt that an observer on that scale would see it manifest as an object with position and velocity. But that would be due to the interaction with whatever restrains it and observes it. It the wild, it fully occupies the volume between "the hub and its rim" and behaves as if it were not locally physical ... but potentially physical.

Making extra energy available to an electron allows it to enlarge its volume of occupancy, but eventually that energy will be surrendered. A photon is a unit of atomic electrical discharge, and it also expresses as a field when it isn't restricted by an observer. And, of course, it shouldn't be mistaken for an atom or any of an atom's constituents.

If the universe is an information system, there must be an interaction with a perceiver which results in the universe becoming perceptible as forms, bounds, and voids. The recognition of such is a property of the perceiver which identifies them ... whatever form (if any) they would express, in the absence of a perceiver to be informed, would remain unrecognizable.

We recognize information in the "form" of ideas. What do you suppose is the unit by which ideas are quantified? Can an idea BE quantified? Can an idea be restricted and stilled for the convenience of an observer? Can an idea be confined to one location, and excluded from another? Can any location be shown to be void of ideas, lacking information, and thus truly empty?

We perceive matter as physical. We perceive energy as non-physical, but with physical effects. And we also perceive ideas ... totally abstract, but potentially effective nonetheless.

Even if a place exists which is devoid of energy and matter, the idea of energy and matter permeates it. And where there's an idea, there's a Mind which recognizes it, and informs the universe accordingly. ; it only la

Wherever the universe exists, it cannot be devoid of ideas. No place in the universe can be truly empty. We simply don't recognize what content it has yet ... and when we're ready, Mind has a remedy for that.