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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 62850 09-20-2012 03:45 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
I don't know about cheering someone that beats a guy for no reason except he annoyed him. I'm pretty sure that if someone knocks on your door you can always just say "f*ck off" and close the door.

No, harrassment last a very long time with the cult when a member tries to leave. That was probably the 100th time someone came to his door & those visits include severe verbal & emotional abuse. They will also try to sue you if you speak publicly as he did. They have a history of causing people to go broke in legal fees.

Check out the stories about people held against their will for hours to days because they wanted to get out.

Forgot to mention that they will push through the door without your permission.

I've heard about scientology but don't have any experience with them. So this might be the case...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 60111 09-20-2012 03:52 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
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No, harrassment last a very long time with the cult when a member tries to leave. That was probably the 100th time someone came to his door & those visits include severe verbal & emotional abuse. They will also try to sue you if you speak publicly as he did. They have a history of causing people to go broke in legal fees.

Check out the stories about people held against their will for hours to days because they wanted to get out.

Forgot to mention that they will push through the door without your permission.

I've heard about scientology but don't have any experience with them. So this might be the case...

Just check out the legal testimony of Debbie Cook when Scientology. There are court docs all over the place from different states & countries about their abuses. One case even proved that too many auditing session can induce insanity.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 122229 09-20-2012 04:03 PM

xenoverse Wrote:

He clearly isn't very bright and would be easily controllable. He doesn't even have a formal education.

He turned Hubbard's collection of ragged "orgs", which were mostly dirty little places in strip malls, into an multi-BILLION-dollar real estate empire including skyscrapers, castles, and luxury hotels, and you don't think he's very bright?

I don't doubt the CIA/NSA has a hand in it but I don't think they just GAVE him all of this. And, as pointed out previously on this thread, Scientology's actual membership stats are down so it couldn't all have come from regging (shaking down for $) the faithful.

He may be formally uneducated about many things but I think he's demonstrably quite sharp at business and at assessing human nature.

**FreedomStands**

geminigirl Wrote:

xenoverse Wrote:
Well but see the Scientology religion is quite literally the satanic religion made watered down for public consumption. It is literally the Illuminati religion of control repackaged and sold to the public.

I would say that it is indeed more insidious then other religions.

Definitely worse.

I think LRH was insane & a bit of a (don't mean this in a bad way) conspiracy theorist. I think the CIA took over when David Miscaviage became the leader. Leaked documents show him as a CIA informant, but I have a feeling there's more to since the Clintons were helping them out too. Easy way to make money & continue to experiment with mind control...not to mention people injected with "vitamins" as cures.

good idea, any links to the cia thing you mentioned?

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 09-20-2012 04:14 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

CLEARLY THIS MAN HAS NOT GIVEN THEM ENOUGH MONEY YET! HE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE TO BE TRULY CLEAR!

SCIENTOLOGY SHOULD NOT ASK FOR MONEY.

ANY RELIGION THAT ASKS FOR MONEY IS A CORPORATE ORGANIZATION (AND VERY LIKELY A CORRUPT SCAM).Islam doesn't have an organization.
Many Christian groups don't (Catholicism and Mormonism do)
Judaism doesn't have an official organization that you have to join to be Jewish.

ALL RELIGIONS SHOULD BE FREE AND OPENED, ALL KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION SHOULD BE FREE AND OPENED.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO BE PART OF A RELIGION!

ummmm....and the Christian Churches also take your money. the offering plate is a great example. Churches organize fund raisers for money. I guess you dont belong to a church then.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 60111 09-20-2012 04:19 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

geminigirl Wrote:
xenoverse Wrote:
Well but see the Scientology religion is quite literally the satanic religion made watered down for public consumption. It is literally the Illuminati religion of control repackaged and sold to the public.

I would say that it is indeed more insidious then other religions.

Definitely worse.

I think LRH was insane & a bit of a (don't mean this in a bad way) conspiracy theorist. I think the CIA took over when David Miscaviage became the leader. Leaked documents show him as a CIA informant, but I have a feeling there's more to since the Clintons were helping them out too. Easy way to make money & continue to experiment with mind control...not to mention people injected with "vitamins" as cures.

good idea, any links to the cia thing you mentioned?

http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientolog...wley_Files

I have a link saved someone about the Clintons helping them out & even trying to push bills through for them.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42391 09-20-2012 04:23 PM

I think they are opening "charter schools" in fla.
I have been stalked, taken out in a car accident, and a relationship with a potential child stolen from me. I am activity seeking through legal notice to find out if a child exist. People are now driving by the house and getting id-like in actions. Dumb is dangerous!
I am not lying. I have not been associated with CoS. They seem to be a closed cell cult whether CoS or not. When looking up people it goes back to CoS. I do not think she knows.
She has a KJV on he FB, but it all could be a cry for help. She and others were told I am dead. Its been close 11 years and she is racing up in traffic to get a look, yelling my name to get me to turn to prove its me, and sent a mutual acquaintance to cross my path "myley cirus tv-style" at Ross. Her parents tried to buy a baby from her when we were younger. She was a friends girl at the time; They aborted because they did want them having a baby.
I have no where to turn at this time. She did bad things to produce the potential child, came to me as if she was with child proposing to me at work, then took off and never heard from her again. After which I was in a car accident as a passenger under unusual circumstances I felt are related.

Is there some that can help?
Waiting 30 days tell the notice expires, then HRS with CDC documents is the only plan of action I have for now. That and locating the witnesses to the proposal.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42391 09-20-2012 04:26 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

d_delphi Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
CLEARLY THIS MAN HAS NOT GIVEN THEM ENOUGH MONEY YET! HE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE TO BE TRULY CLEAR!

SCIENTOLOGY SHOULD NOT ASK FOR MONEY.

ANY RELIGION THAT ASKS FOR MONEY IS A CORPORATE ORGANIZATION (AND VERY LIKELY A CORRUPT SCAM).

Islam doesn't have an organization.
Many Christian groups don't (Catholicism and Mormonism do)
Judaism doesn't have an official organization that you have to join to be Jewish.

ALL RELIGIONS SHOULD BE FREE AND OPENED, ALL KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION SHOULD BE FREE AND OPENED.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO BE PART OF A RELIGION!

Uhhh... it's called freemasonry and yes virginia... you will pay!

Freemasonry is the organization of Islam?

Seek the "Battle of Fez"

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42391 09-20-2012 04:33 PM

xenoverse Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:

They are weak and pathetic.
Why would someone feel the need to control another so utterly?
Because they have no power of themselves. Because they are weak. And pathetic.
There isn't any other explanation.
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"Why would someone feel the need to control another so utterly?"

IDK but,
World domination? Multi-closed cell groups interacting in segregated fashion with the same ultimate goal; Without the knowledge of that goal known directly to the individual cell members. Its in the background but due to the vanity of the animal side of human (r-complex) they sense they are all powerful with their associations Toni Montana Style?

**FreedomStands**

The Evil AC Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
CLEARLY THIS MAN HAS NOT GIVEN THEM ENOUGH MONEY YET! HE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE TO BE TRULY CLEAR!

SCIENTOLOGY SHOULD NOT ASK FOR MONEY.

ANY RELIGION THAT ASKS FOR MONEY IS A CORPORATE ORGANIZATION (AND VERY LIKELY A CORRUPT SCAM).Islam doesn't have an organization.
Many Christian groups don't (Catholicism and Mormonism do)
Judaism doesn't have an official organization that you have to join to be Jewish.

ALL RELIGIONS SHOULD BE FREE AND OPENED, ALL KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION SHOULD BE FREE AND OPENED.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO BE PART OF A RELIGION!

ummmm....and the Christian Churches also take your money. the offering plate is a great example. Churches organize fund raisers for money. I guess you dont belong to a church then.

Having to pay to be part of a religion (Scientology for example) while hiding information from non paying members and the public is what I was talking about.

People asking for money for donations is a little different, though donations can quickly turn into corrupt operations too.

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
d_delphi Wrote:
Uhhh... it's called freemasonry and yes virginia... you will pay!

Freemasonry is the organization of Islam?

Seek the "Battle of Fez"

Can you just tell me everything that you know please? I don't want to go on a long journey of fact finding based on just "Battle of Fez", just tell me what you know please!

**thor** lop guest User ID: 122234 09-20-2012 04:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUfgAbFY4CA

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42391 09-20-2012 05:05 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
Freemasonry is the organization of Islam?
Seek the "Battle of Fez"
Can you just tell me everything that you know please? I don't want to go on a long journey of fact finding based on just "Battle of Fez", just tell me what you know please!

I do not know anything. None of these words indicate my personal belief systems nor indicate whether I agree or Disagree.

"Way back when Muslims were first spreading to North Africa for jihad (Holy War), the Muslims came to the city of Fez which was all Christians and they basically said you must convert to Islam or we'll kill you and the Christians said 'We'll never deny our savior Jesus Christ'. So they fought the war, they broke into the city and slaughtered and beheaded all these Christian Martyrs. That's why Shriner's Fez hats have semitars. To celebrate, the Muslim invaders took off their turbans and dipped them in the blood of the Christian martyrs and put them back on their heads. That's why the Fez hats have that odd red color that looks like dry blood." -Bill Schnoebelen

I have never seen this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKJSGA4fP3c

we are all being lied to. You are intelligent and actively seeking knowledge. Its up to you to determine for yourself what is. I am not saying this out of hate nor fear.
Be well, friend.

**Geminigirl nli** lop guest User ID: 60111 09-26-2012 10:23 PM

geminigirl Wrote:

xenoverse Wrote:
geminigirl Wrote:
I think LRH was insane & a bit of a (don't mean this in a bad way) conspiracy theorist. I think the CIA took over when David Miscaviage became the leader. Leaked documents show him as a CIA informant, but I have a feeling there's more to since the Clintons were helping them out too. Easy way to make money & continue to experiment with mind control...not to mention people injected with "vitamins" as cures.

I can kindof see the CIA putting Miscabbage in charge there.

He clearly isn't very bright and would be easily controllable. He doesn't even have a formal education.

I do also suspect that he is a closeted gay who's been in a relationship with Cruise since the mid to late 80s which would also allow them highly useable blackmail ammunition against him.

I read a story that included a Scientology daycare run out of a members home. The husband was a known pedophile that Scientology covered up for. Reports of a room with a two way mirror came out too. Very messed up stuff that seems to happen with money & politics happened in this cult.

I have a feeling Katie Holmes got a tap on the shoulder from the FBI (the few that are still trying to do there job) & it made the divorce come about more quickly. I don't believe that her father had the power or know how to pull off that divorce without Cruise's boyfriend finding out. I wonder if she is an informant for an investigation.

On the other hand Cruise seems to take his ques from movies. Eyes Wide Shut being his induction into the cult or worse the audience being the whitness to some crazy occult initiation. Now The Master is being released & the story is about LRH & the main character getting caught up with him & the cult. In the end the main character leaves the cult upsetting the fictional LRH character. Is that Cruise's que to leave Scientology?

What do you think? I've been back & forth with this since all the new information is coming out.

Hey Xeno, look what I saw today. Looks like Cruise is taking his ques from the movies or he knows an FBI investigation is going on. This is considered gossip at this point, but I wonder who the source was for this article.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/20...olmes-suri