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Rachane
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Mankind has been plagued by warfare since antiquity, and by the 21st century it has become not only constant and worldwide, but precariously efficient and lethal. The usual countereffort - pressure for peace - is just as invariably temporary and superficial.

This thread introduces a different sort of solution: the preemption and replacement of conventional physical war (PW) by something more powerful and effective: MindWar (MW).

MW is based on the principle that PW is an emotional, blind reaction to the breakdown of reasoned dialogue - a well-known example being the American Civil War. Once this threshold is passed, PW continues until destruction or exhaustion ensues.

MW is a mechanism for taking a given crisis situation back to the thought processes of the individual and collective human minds involved, and adjusting these correctively and positively at that level. The bodies and properties of human beings are removed as the "enemy"; therefore a MW campaign is completely bloodless and nondestructive. The crisis itself becomes the "enemy" and is "attacked and destroyed" cooperatively.

MW traces its history back to a 1980 Army staff study I was tasked to prepare for the commander of the 7th Psychological Operations (PSYOP) Group: "From PSYOP to MindWar". Although intended just to stimulate some fresh post-Vietnam thinking in the professional community, this short paper accidentally went public, and over the next few decades became a favorite bête noire of conspiracy theorists, who either misunderstood or affected to misunderstand its actual purpose.

Hence in 2013, and from concern over the increasingly critical consequences of PW, I have taken MW to its full science and application potential in a book, MindWar, which is presently circulating through appropriate government departments and agencies. I have also decided to make it openly available, and it can be found here. [Please do not interpret this as a "commercial solicitation"; it is intended only to let those who are interested know where to find the book.]

PSYOP has attempted to manipulate attitudes and behavior through various forms of argumentative propaganda. This has always failed for the simple reason that it misses almost all of the actual human thought system. Humans are field-constrained electromagnetic-spectrum machines, and only about 5% of thought-processes are discretionary (the formal term is "algorithmic"). The other 95% is termed "pattern thinking", in which the sensation of situations is interpreted through preexisting patterns of reality, most of which are subliminal. This is where MW operates, through PSYCONs (psycontrol techniques) which address SLIPC (subliminal involuntary psycontrol).

Pre-MW programs, such as the CIA's MKULTRA and the Defense Department's MKSEARCH, all failed because they extended to only the expression of thought, not its generation. They also could conceptualize no further than physical distortion of such expression by means of drugs and other psychological and physiological damage and pressure. By contrast, MW is completely noninvasive and nonharmful. It has one and only one purpose: to replace the blind, emotional hatreds that incite and perpetuate PW with enlightened, intelligent creativity.

The book not only details this concept and process, but proposes a laboratory for its initial introduction, experimentation, and refinement: the Special Operations Forces (SOF) of the Army: PSYOP, Special Forces, and Civil Affairs - all completely revised into new identities and functionalities. Even the Branch names are different: MindWar, MetaForce, and ParaPolitics.

So this thread is first to let you know that MW exists as a prospectus, and to welcome questions and comments about it. If implemented correctly and wisely, it could not only send PW to the scrap-heap of history, but proactively address a myriad of social problems with which humanity has heretofore only struggled symptomatically.

As with every Pandora's jar, however, there is a "Dark Side of the Force". Orwell's 1984 notwithstanding, the human mind has always been inviolate except through brutal-force damage of individuals, which results only in physical incapacitation. MW is invisible, undetectable, and can be implemented collectively through the electromagnetic spectrum. In 1945 scientists pried open the bottle containing the atomic genie, with some beneficial but also some disastrous consequences. Before we pry open this bottle containing the MW genie, we should carefully consider its potential implications as well.

Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
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He always paints himself and the mind-war practices in the best light, as dictated in the MindWar Doctrine itself.

As long as people don't see the hidden influences they buy into the program being pushed, very much like some form of inception they think it was their idea.
Control people by giving them what they want, but never let them realize what they want was a result of social programming and industrial Psychology.

Aquino relates his doctrine as if it was something new but it is just the same old control system dressed up for the military.

The Romans were masters of MindWar, they would not stop until a city was taken, didn't matter if it took years.
The Roman Catholic Church used MindWar to control the masses, the people conformed because they wanted immortality after death, all they had to do was follow the rules of the control structure.

The Whole of Western culture is about creating the mental environment for MindWar to dominate the unwary. The Western world is controlled by giving them what they want by being the supplier, money is seen as the principal enabler of what people want, control the Money.............People jump through freedom stealing hoops for money.
But not only that, fund the shinny toys that will lead people down the path of hunger and want for the Next Big Thing creating for them the desire that leads them to conforming to a system that controls them by giving them what they want...for a price.

Yes it is very successful and has been in place as a control structure for a long time.
You can't bribe someone who doesn't want anything, everyone else is for sale, it is just a matter of the price.

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He always paints himself and the mind-war practices in the best light, as dictated in the MindWar Doctrine itself.
There is no "MW doctrine": The 1980 paper was not incorporated into official Army PSYOP policy, as can easily be verified by a look through the manuals, which are publicly available on the Internet.

This present book has also not reached or even approached the level of "doctrine"; it's just now out. But I think you will find that throughout it there is a strong and continuous emphasis on its ethical application. Indeed the entire process has something of a "failsafe" built into it. While it's theoretically possible to misuse any scientific technique, the entire MW campaign process hinges upon a meticulously-coordinated process under the highest ethical principles. My concern is not whether MW is moral or ethical enough; it's whether those who are addicted to existing physical war (PW) will be willing to give it up.

Quote:As long as people don't see the hidden influences they buy into the program being pushed, very much like some form of inception they think it was their idea.
As detailed in the book, MW is entirely an overt process, with its mechanisms known to all involved. There is nothing secret or classified about it, and that is intentional.

Quote:Control people by giving them what they want, but never let them realize what they want was a result of social programming and industrial Psychology.
MW doesn't control people; its purpose is to remove sensory inputs which drive people to irrational hatreds, hence PW. It creates instead an atmosphere of positive cooperation, facilitating the creative resolution of the underlying crises or provocations.

Quote:Aquino relates his doctrine as if it was something new but it is just the same old control system dressed up for the military.
I am reasonably certain that readers of MW will never have seen anything like this before anywhere, except perhaps in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.

Quote:The Romans were masters of MindWar, they would not stop until a city was taken, didn't matter if it took years. The Roman Catholic Church used MindWar to control the masses, the people conformed because they wanted immortality after death, all they had to do was follow the rules of the control structure.
In the 1980 paper I cited the Roman reputation as an example of effective propaganda, but the present book is not propaganda-oriented, because the new MW deals with an entirely different level of human mental functioning. Propaganda is an effort to grapple with the symptoms of an existing popular disposition; MW addresses the creation of the disposition itself.

[The rest of your response essentially reprises the above, I think.]

Anyway, I did not write or publicly release this book expecting that everyone, or even most people, would like it. Its feet will assuredly be held to the fire, as should be the case with issues as consequential as these. The stakes are simply that PW has become too dangerous, too lethal, and too endless to be allowed to continue. This is an attempt to stop it. I'll take my lumps for this.
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Rachane  Wrote: (05-28-2013 06:20 AM)
Guitar DoctorWrote:
He always paints himself and the mind-war practices in the best light, as dictated in the MindWar Doctrine itself.
There is no "MW doctrine": The 1980 paper was not incorporated into official Army PSYOP policy, as can easily be verified by a look through the manuals, which are publicly available on the Internet.

This present book has also not reached or even approached the level of "doctrine"; it's just now out. But I think you will find that throughout it there is a strong and continuous emphasis on its ethical application. Indeed the entire process has something of a "failsafe" built into it. While it's theoretically possible to misuse any scientific technique, the entire MW campaign process hinges upon a meticulously-coordinated process under the highest ethical principles. My concern is not whether MW is moral or ethical enough; it's whether those who are addicted to existing physical war (PW) will be willing to give it up.

Quote:As long as people don't see the hidden influences they buy into the program being pushed, very much like some form of inception they think it was their idea.
As detailed in the book, MW is entirely an overt process, with its mechanisms known to all involved. There is nothing secret or classified about it, and that is intentional.

Quote:Control people by giving them what they want, but never let them realize what they want was a result of social programming and industrial Psychology.
MW doesn't control people; its purpose is to remove sensory inputs which drive people to irrational hatreds, hence PW. It creates instead an atmosphere of positive cooperation, facilitating the creative resolution of the underlying crises or provocations.

Quote:Aquino relates his doctrine as if it was something new but it is just the same old control system dressed up for the military.
I am reasonably certain that readers of MW will never have seen anything like this before anywhere, except perhaps in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.

Quote:The Romans were masters of MindWar, they would not stop until a city was taken, didn't matter if it took years. The Roman Catholic Church used MindWar to control the masses, the people conformed because they wanted immortality after death, all they had to do was follow the rules of the control structure.
In the 1980 paper I cited the Roman reputation as an example of effective propaganda, but the present book is not propaganda-oriented, because the new MW deals with an entirely different level of human mental functioning. Propaganda is an effort to grapple with the symptoms of an existing popular disposition; MW addresses the creation of the disposition itself.

[The rest of your response essentially reprises the above, I think.]

Anyway, I did not write or publicly release this book expecting that everyone, or even most people, would like it. Its feet will assuredly be held to the fire, as should be the case with issues as consequential as these. The stakes are simply that PW has become too dangerous, too lethal, and too endless to be allowed to continue. This is an attempt to stop it. I'll take my lumps for this.

It is not ethical at all, not at any point. It is manipulation. It is unbalanced and those who DO use such things have no checks and balances. Aquino was naive if he thought he had invented something, he described a system already in place and being used.
Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument.
You seize control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to
make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire.

http://www.munication.com/mindwar/

War is still War, once force trying to take from another.
As for overt, why the covering up of military devices that influence peoples moods as enhancement for such tactics, MindWar works as long as the strings behind the scenes are never seen. We are the Alternative Press here, all we do is expose the strings for those who want to know. To be caught rigging the game is to immediately lose the MindWar.

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(quoting the 1980 paper) "Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument. You seize control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire."
That's a 30-year-obsolete definition - indeed one which I regretted when I saw its apparent application in the "embedded journalism" gigs in Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea was not for domestic public opinion manipulation or deception, but to establish a positive expectation of military victory, much as the Romans had done in the previous example above. That saves time and lives. Otherwise you screw around longer, "adrift in a sea of blood" as Robert E. Lee put it.

Anyway, here's the definition section from the 2013 book:

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1. Definition

MindWar is the psychological and psychophysiological conditioning of all participants in a sociopolitical problem, first to cooperatively stabilize it without recourse to violence, then to eliminate its basis by the creation of a moral community to supersede it.

Examining the elements of this definition:

• The base term is a composite of:

•• the principle of mind, which is the collection and correlation of sensory input both actively and passively processed by each self-conscious being in order to draw conclusions, make decision, and take actions accordingly.

•• the principle of war, which is the extreme expression of intolerance of a current disagreement between at least two social groups when ordinary attempts to resolve it by discussion and diplomacy fail.

Psychology is the study of mind processes and their resultant expression.

Psychophysiology is the branch of psychology which is concerned with the physiological bases of psychological processes.

Conditioning refers to both liminal and subliminal operations of mind modification to produce a desired state of mind perception, interpretation, and behavior. [This problem-tailored mixture of psychological and psychophysiological conditioning is the province of the MindWar Branch, and is detailed in Chapter 3.]

• A sociopolitical problem is a disagreement between two social and/or political groups of people: nation-states and/or sub- or supra-national cultural, religious, ideological, and/or ethnic groups. War results when the problem is sufficiently persistent and intolerable that it cannot be further endured by the participants.

Stabilization refers to the identification and achievement of the best possible resolution of the problem to temporarily remove the danger of PW: the áristos. [This process of stabilization to the áristos is the province of the MetaForce Branch, and is detailed in Chapter 4.]

Nonrecourse to violence precludes not just PW, but any and all physically harmful measures directed against human beings, whether or not they are problem participants. Such prohibited measures include but are not limited to bodily damage (injury, torture, or murder), imprisonment, exile, and/or destruction of means of livelihood.

Creation of a moral community refers to the process of ParaPolitics, resulting not in a structure of exploitation, intimidation, or desperation, but rather in a polis based upon enlightened morality: kalokagathia. [ParaPolitics and kalokagathia are the province of the ParaPolitics Branch, and are detailed in Chapter 5.]
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Guitar Doctor Wrote:
(quoting the 1980 paper) "Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument. You seize control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire."
That's a 30-year-obsolete definition - indeed one which I regretted when I saw its apparent application in the "embedded journalism" gigs in Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea was not for domestic public opinion manipulation or deception, but to establish a positive expectation of military victory, much as the Romans had done in the previous example above. That saves time and lives. Otherwise you screw around longer, "adrift in a sea of blood" as Robert E. Lee put it.

Anyway, here's the definition section from the 2013 book:

MindWar 2013 Wrote:
1. Definition

MindWar is the psychological and psychophysiological conditioning of all participants in a sociopolitical problem, first to cooperatively stabilize it without recourse to violence, then to eliminate its basis by the creation of a moral community to supersede it.

Examining the elements of this definition:

• The base term is a composite of:

•• the principle of mind, which is the collection and correlation of sensory input both actively and passively processed by each self-conscious being in order to draw conclusions, make decision, and take actions accordingly.

•• the principle of war, which is the extreme expression of intolerance of a current disagreement between at least two social groups when ordinary attempts to resolve it by discussion and diplomacy fail.

Psychology is the study of mind processes and their resultant expression.

Psychophysiology is the branch of psychology which is concerned with the physiological bases of psychological processes.

Conditioning refers to both liminal and subliminal operations of mind modification to produce a desired state of mind perception, interpretation, and behavior. [This problem-tailored mixture of psychological and psychophysiological conditioning is the province of the MindWar Branch, and is detailed in Chapter 3.]

• A sociopolitical problem is a disagreement between two social and/or political groups of people: nation-states and/or sub- or supra-national cultural, religious, ideological, and/or ethnic groups. War results when the problem is sufficiently persistent and intolerable that it cannot be further endured by the participants.

Stabilization refers to the identification and achievement of the best possible resolution of the problem to temporarily remove the danger of PW: the áristos. [This process of stabilization to the áristos is the province of the MetaForce Branch, and is detailed in Chapter 4.]

Nonrecourse to violence precludes not just PW, but any and all physically harmful measures directed against human beings, whether or not they are problem participants. Such prohibited measures include but are not limited to bodily damage (injury, torture, or murder), imprisonment, exile, and/or destruction of means of livelihood.

Creation of a moral community refers to the process of ParaPolitics, resulting not in a structure of exploitation, intimidation, or desperation, but rather in a polis based upon enlightened morality: kalokagathia. [ParaPolitics and kalokagathia are the province of the ParaPolitics Branch, and are detailed in Chapter 5.]

I see what you are saying. I have huge ethical problems with conditioning people, I see it daily in society, it has been in play since 1925 and the roots were set up in the Rothschild acquisition of the Media in 1900, with the application of Edward Bernays theories and his burgeoning new Creation Public Relations, schools were changed from institutions that taught people how to think to teaching them what to think to start the social conditioning patterns of standardizing people and their beliefs and actions. What happened in the west was no worse than the conditioning of Soviets under Stalin just done more MindWar style.

What you are describing as a tool of warfare has been used on US in western society since before you were born, you were raised in the same system as me, one which taught us what to think.

As a retired Military officer who do you think the USA really works for?
Everything I have read and in hindsight shows the USA has been working at the behest of Multinational Corporations, International Banking and Mining interest since 1945.
What the US military does not directly benefit the US people, it benefits multinational corporations first. Look at how Root & Brown got rich of Vietnam contracts. Look at how installing democracy is really about installing governments who will sign agreements allowing international mining and Oil interests to operate within their countries.

Likewise these social conditioning programs going on in the Big Game are for the benefit of these Multinational corporations who are just extensions of the International banking Cartels.

PR people and Psy-ops techniques go hand in hand these days, the US military has an office in every media corporation in the USA for manufacturing News in the light they would like to show it, a psy-ops office in every Major Media corporation in the USA [look at who owns those corporation and who is on the boards ] Every PR person I have met were extremely skilled liars, stock in trade of the confidence man........sincerity.
Makes it hard to trust anybody from a Psy-ops background as being on the level with no agenda's [after all we all have agenda's]

I see what you describe as the big system around us. We live in a system of control, we were born into it so we think it is normal. If you were raised by head hunter rapists you would think that was normal, if raised by racists them that would be normal to you.

This system is everything you know around you that involves legalities, contracts and contract Law. When you join the military you sign away you rights and you are actually owned by agreement for the duration, you signed the contract. The people who created the framework did it as a tool of control. When they want to change society they just make an addition to the frame work, change or make a new Law. You don't need a drivers license to drive but you do need one to work in a commercial Job. That is the tools of the Big time social engineers and industrial psychologists.

Have you read J.A.C. Browns Techniques of Persuasion from Propaganda to brainwashing"? It was banned in most western countries, a worthwhile read, a must read in fact for people who study manipulation of people I would have thought.

Ask your other military buddies who they think really runs the show. All I know is when the Queen has her Oil assets seized in Iraq [she is BP if you didn't already know, she is a whole lot more if you follow the paperwork] she gets of the phone to Bushy had he jumps to it and uses the US military to retake his father's business partner's assets back for her, no charge either.

Time to wake up, the military boys have been played worse than anyone, they are right open to the techniques of Mindwar as they are all willing participants right from enlistment, those who won't put up with shit don't stay and only those who respect Rank are promoted. You see the slippery slide of the chain of command? all those guys got the position for not ever questioning a superiors order, a bunch of Yes Men within a structure.

All the answers are right in front of you and every military person. My family has served in various Conflicts, I have heard what off the books operations are all about and what happens. Boxes of Gold at the end of Nam, one of my relations said he spent more time in Cambodia than in Vietnam during his two tours there.

Who does the US military serve? It is not the people who fund it and everything else in the USA, the TAXPAYER is it.

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Quote:Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
Lt. Colonel, PSYOP (Ret.)
U.S. Army

Link added -- you won't be able to un-see it...

Heartflowers

Wow, something can be true and totally retarded at the same time.

Amazing.


I could watch about five minutes tops.

I can un-see the rest of it!
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I have huge ethical problems with conditioning people, I see it daily in society, it has been in play since 1925 and the roots were set up in the Rothschild acquisition of the Media in 1900, with the application of Edward Bernays theories and his burgeoning new Creation Public Relations, schools were changed from institutions that taught people how to think to teaching them what to think to start the social conditioning patterns of standardizing people and their beliefs and actions. What happened in the west was no worse than the conditioning of Soviets under Stalin just done more MindWar style.

Yes, I'm well familiar with the history of propaganda and behavioral influencing/conditioning generally - which, as you accurately note, has exploded since the beginning of the 20th century.

MindWar identifies and deals with two problems:

(1) This isn't a zero-sum game. There is an existing and persisting/growing untenable situation, which is PW. We can either throw up our hands and assume that it's the inescapable future of humanity, or we can try to do something about it. MW is one such attempt. Got other/better ideas: Be my guest.

(2) Until now propaganda and related social conditioning has a pretty lousy track record. It's done for agenda-reasons, many secret and destructive, like tempting kids to take up smoking. Nationally the manufacture of PW hatreds is stock-in-trade; the moment the Cold War was over and "Communism!" was no longer effective, there was a scramble until "Terrorism!" replaced it. MW's answer to this is not just to call a halt to negative/exploitive stuff; it is to replace it with conditioning that is not only fully known to the participants/recipients, but designed with only one purpose in mind: the replacement of irrational PW-prone hatreds with a mental climate of calm, intelligent cooperation. It does not tell people what to think, but disinclines them from shooting and blowing each other up.

When you consider it at arm's length, it's somewhat astonishing that humanity hasn't explored this before. Here we are, the most intelligent species on the planet, capable of going to the Moon, and we're still the helpless victims of our own irrationality, like Morbius in Forbidden Planet. I think we can do better than this, and the stakes, as noted, are big.

Any kind of technology can be misused; my usual example the Manhattan Project. I've tried to construct MW with all possible failsafes, but so did the framers of the US Constitution. Ultimately we have to decide whether Plato was correct in asserting that the inclination of mankind is to the Good, and that the Bad happens from ignorance or emotional spasm (once again, Forbidden Planet's id-monster).

Quote:Have you read J.A.C. Browns Techniques of Persuasion from Propaganda to brainwashing"?

Yes, and pretty much all the other literature; I've been a PSYOP professional since 1968. Not just in my own library, but those of the JFK Center, CIA, DIA, DOS (which now includes the old USIA/ICA), etc. And of course there's lots in conventional academia.

Quote:Ask your other military buddies who they think really runs the show.

Multinational economics, of course. Political economy was one of my graduate fields (M.P.A. George Washington U.), and I'm a 1987 graduate of the Industrial College of the Armed Forces (highest level senior service college). PW is not just an asset-grabber, it's an asset-consumer. Orwell nailed this in 1984:

George OrwellWrote:
War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist.

This is a tough nut to crack. The best I can do is to allow PW industries to go on making and selling their stuff, but to make it unusable, similar to nukes. We're somewhat there already, to the extent that industry keeps building, and the government buying, fighters, aircraft carriers, etc. that no one needs. This sucks, as I quote Ike at the beginning of MindWar, but we can get around to the logistics later. First thing to do is stop its use.

General of the Army Dwight EisenhowerWrote:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
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Guitar DoctorWrote:
I have huge ethical problems with conditioning people, I see it daily in society, it has been in play since 1925 and the roots were set up in the Rothschild acquisition of the Media in 1900, with the application of Edward Bernays theories and his burgeoning new Creation Public Relations, schools were changed from institutions that taught people how to think to teaching them what to think to start the social conditioning patterns of standardizing people and their beliefs and actions. What happened in the west was no worse than the conditioning of Soviets under Stalin just done more MindWar style.

Yes, I'm well familiar with the history of propaganda and behavioral influencing/conditioning generally - which, as you accurately note, has exploded since the beginning of the 20th century.

MindWar identifies and deals with two problems:

(1) This isn't a zero-sum game. There is an existing and persisting/growing untenable situation, which is PW. We can either throw up our hands and assume that it's the inescapable future of humanity, or we can try to do something about it. MW is one such attempt. Got other/better ideas: Be my guest.

(2) Until now propaganda and related social conditioning has a pretty lousy track record. It's done for agenda-reasons, many secret and destructive, like tempting kids to take up smoking. Nationally the manufacture of PW hatreds is stock-in-trade; the moment the Cold War was over and "Communism!" was no longer effective, there was a scramble until "Terrorism!" replaced it. MW's answer to this is not just to call a halt to negative/exploitive stuff; it is to replace it with conditioning that is not only fully known to the participants/recipients, but designed with only one purpose in mind: the replacement of irrational PW-prone hatreds with a mental climate of calm, intelligent cooperation. It does not tell people what to think, but disinclines them from shooting and blowing each other up.

When you consider it at arm's length, it's somewhat astonishing that humanity hasn't explored this before. Here we are, the most intelligent species on the planet, capable of going to the Moon, and we're still the helpless victims of our own irrationality, like Morbius in Forbidden Planet. I think we can do better than this, and the stakes, as noted, are big.

Any kind of technology can be misused; my usual example the Manhattan Project. I've tried to construct MW with all possible failsafes, but so did the framers of the US Constitution. Ultimately we have to decide whether Plato was correct in asserting that the inclination of mankind is to the Good, and that the Bad happens from ignorance or emotional spasm (once again, Forbidden Planet's id-monster).

Quote:Have you read J.A.C. Browns Techniques of Persuasion from Propaganda to brainwashing"?

Yes, and pretty much all the other literature; I've been a PSYOP professional since 1968. Not just in my own library, but those of the JFK Center, CIA, DIA, DOS (which now includes the old USIA/ICA), etc. And of course there's lots in conventional academia.

Quote:Ask your other military buddies who they think really runs the show.

Multinational economics, of course. Political economy was one of my graduate fields (M.P.A. George Washington U.), and I'm a 1987 graduate of the Industrial College of the Armed Forces (highest level senior service college). PW is not just an asset-grabber, it's an asset-consumer. Orwell nailed this in 1984:

George OrwellWrote:
War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist.

This is a tough nut to crack. The best I can do is to allow PW industries to go on making and selling their stuff, but to make it unusable, similar to nukes. We're somewhat there already, to the extent that industry keeps building, and the government buying, fighters, aircraft carriers, etc. that no one needs. This sucks, as I quote Ike at the beginning of MindWar, but we can get around to the logistics later. First thing to do is stop its use.

General of the Army Dwight EisenhowerWrote:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

The biggest problem I see is the Boys at the top lack ethics.
It is considered an insane action to kill someone. Most people cannot do it cold and few can do it hot. When you enter the military you are conditioned to do insane acts as normal. My opinion is once someone has been through this process they are no longer rationally balanced. So no decision made by military minds is balanced with how the rest of us think. The military mind is the most paranoid of all, it will not cease until total victory is achieved.

The Rothschild Banking cartel took over Japan just before 1900 and formed the four great banks there [and they were the models for Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac some 30 years later] and recreated Japanese society.

This same banking cartel then funds the Russian revolution during world war one. They send a train loaded with Gold from one side of war torn Europe to the other with Lenin and Trotsky . To achieve this it took collaboration from both sides of the war. This was achieved with Freemasons who numbered heavily among officers in any war effort. Freemasons controlled by Rothschild banking cartel.

The Rothschild banking cartel then funds the Chinese revolution assisting from their base of operations in Japan. Japan was taken over by the Rothschild's to continue their effort against the Russian imperial family, to which they were successful later by fomenting the Communist take over [which they control, Rothschild's control Russia and China, the cold war was a staged fiction for those who were not already in on it.]
As the intelligence agencies formed after WWII were heavily seeded with Rothschild and City of London corporation people they were able to blatantly pass on military secrets via diplomatic bags to China and Russia [and Israel] enabling Nuclear technology in Russia required to keep the cold war [and secret projects] alive.

In the wash up there has been no credible enemy since 1916. The Rothschild's cleaned up their biggest rivals by 1918, the Hapsburg's and Romanov's, removed from the playing board. That was that, the western world brought under control of the City of London corporation and contracted members, legitimized legally after 1945. The Queen is the controller of MI6, she is Interpol, they owned the OSS before it was the CIA.

Rothschild's hold the tittle deed to Jerusalem, they caused the situations that drove Jewish people from where they had been living around the world, resulting is the want to have a Jewish homeland. They turned down Madagascar and wanted Israel [because Roth's had the tittle deed and it's strategic position in the middle east.] The symbol of Israel has always been the burning bush, their flag is a six point star [the Rothschild family crest if done in RED] indicating their ownership/control by the house of Rothschild. Israel is their country and MOSSAD is a tool of the Rothschild banking cartel along with the Israeli military.

All the enemies since 1916 are fabrications to get millions of young men dead and justify the theft of public money "to keep them safe from enemies" The western world is still in slavery, if you have a birth certificate you are registered property of a corporation. The USA is really USA.inc, a registered corporation. I live in New Zealand, and NZ is a registered corporation owned by the Queen of England, as is Australia and all former commonwealth countries. The Queen is a contracted member of the city of London corporation.

The system is controlled from the Top down. If you are not at the highest position in Intel or in the corporate structure or just the military you will not know the truth of the situation. Korea and Vietnam could have been won very quickly if field commanders hands were not tied by Politician's [who where in The Club or under the thumb]

Afghanistan and Iraq have become recruitment grounds for Xe [blackwater] sending soldiers out to kill civilian targets designated by Intel as legit and then assessed to see who was a killer [as it was obvious they were killing civilians or at least non-uniformed families] and who would go home and kill themselves with guilt after their service was over. The operators would be offered contracts with Xe and the others would just become another US soldier suicide statistic.

Lots of Lithium in Afghanistan, the US has known it was their since 1970. Banking and Intel also runs a lot of hard drugs because of the fluidity of the money, they use the US military when they feel necessary.

I can't see a credible enemy, but it has been created to make it seem as if they exist. No military funding and intel funding if there is no enemy. No justifications for secrecy and the building of a massive infrastructure of weapons and particularly monitoring systems directed at the public if their is no enemy.

The lads at the top just want a One World totalitarian regime that the world will back without thinking, they are using strategies that are so similar to the concepts in MindWar.

Lets look at the East West psy-op integration. The West fears the East's population displacing their own and their culture over time, Muslim banking would dominate the main-street banks given time and they don't use interest. This would destroy the Rothschild banking system. So we want the East to want to be the West or want what they have [very much MindWar style] one of the ideas is to make sure their is a lot of Pornography on the Internet [there are lots of Psy-ops around the porn, an easy trigger] and when some Eastern people go " We are not allowed to view that material" we go "oh you have no freedom in your country, you should do something about that"
Basic as that sounds we have seen Internet revolutions because the leaders of those countries did not provide the same freedoms as in the USA. That is MindWar is it not, make them want to be you so there is no conflict but of their own free will.

Your non military corresponding position would be the Social engineers and industrial psychologists, many act as Image Management Teams for many politicians off the beaten path.

In NZ we are not legally allowed to physically disciple our children, one suggested law change changes the whole social fabric. 70% of the population did not support the measure and it was passed anyway a demonstration of the lack of any democracy, but brithcertificate chattels of any corporation have no rights but what the corporation chooses to give them.

Thanks for replying. I apologize for my first reply, I was halfway through trying to remove a septic tooth by hand and less balanced than desired.

Outside looking in it is easy to see something rotten has been ruling the USA for some, I have always wondered what the Military members thought of this themselves or even if they realized.

The USA'a greatest psy-op was to promote themselves to their people as the Greatest country on earth to their own people. This is powerful stuff, tapping directly into the Ego control center. The greatest country can't have any problems with it. That is why things have been able to get as bad as they have. The rise if the NAZI party to a totalitarian state is being copied by those who now run the USA.

No-one gets killed with MW, but do we all end up as a hive mind if taken to it's logical conclusion.

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The biggest problem I see is the Boys at the top lack ethics.

Back in 1972 a friend of mine, Peter McAlpine, wrote a very succinct primer, The Occult Technology of Power, which I have always thought a very telling insight into the perspectives of the moneyed elites. In 1984 and Animal Farm Orwell had much the same viewpoint, and cynically dismissed the usual solution - violent social revolution - as merely the substitution of a new sybaritic elite for the old.

MW does not pretend to be a utopian fix for this. It allows the power/money structure to continue its self-perpetuation. MW's objective is simply to replace physically violent and destructive war with a mental version, in which impasse situations, not people, become "the enemy". Beyond that it does open the door to the [re]construction of better societies if people are in the mood to do so; that's the ParaPolitics aspect. But my immediate interest is dialing down pointless, useless bloodshed.

Quote:No-one gets killed with MW, but do we all end up as a hive mind if taken to it's logical conclusion.

I'm not sure if you intended this, but a recent alien-invasion television series, Dark Skies, labeled the aliens as "Hive", referring to their collective, harmonious mental "singularity". In one encounter they commented to the human hero that they didn't need to destroy humanity - just watch and wait while it tears itself apart. The proffered solution was of course to be absorbed into the cooperatively peaceful singularity. Our hero was horrified, of course: loss of sacred individuality! So the question is whether we can have our cake and eat it too: get the id-monster under control without, as Morbius did, having to commit suicide to do it. Still working on this. :)
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You do realize this is a cover for an actual war that took place using technology they extracted from studies like the ones conducted at SRI. Going back to the 50s, possibly even before then.

It was named mindwar for a reason, and sure as heck had nothing to do with winning hearts and minds.

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