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**why is he even running?** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 04:06 PM

In 2008 Obama beat McCain because he captured the independent votes. By a lot. In almost every state. McCain didn't stand a chance and that was with most republicans behind him but that's about it. Some voted third party out of disgust, others didn't vote at all. McCain/Palin could not drum up the support to present a decent challenge against Obama.

Honestly, it was a joke. Anyone who thought McCain/Palin had a chance against Obama were in denial, not paying attention to the psychology of a country fed up on wars, loss of rights, corruption...Obama campaigned on ending those things. We know he didn't, obviously. But, will a person angry with Obama's lies vote for a guy who wants MORE war, MORE loss of rights, and is the epitome of elite corruption? Um, no.

So who is going to support Mitt Romney?
Not the independents. And they are needed for a win. Period. So, he can't win.
Not some evangelicals. Perhaps some will but, like it or not, there are Christians who will not vote for a Mormon. It is what it is.
Not the Paul voters.

So, basically, Romney is going to have the support of a segment of the republican party. chuckle

That's it. He simply cannot win. The whole race is a total farce with him even pretending like he can win. He can do math. He knows he can't. Don't people realize he knows this? That his campaign knows this? That's what needs to be called out. Repeatedly. Over and over. Romney should bow out of the race. He will do worse than McCain! And those who support him need to pull their heads out of the sand, do the math, face reality and either support an effort to get him to drop out for Paul (who CAN win, garnering repub votes, independent votes, dem votes, EXACTLY what is needed to beat Obama). If Romney cared about his country or getting a repub in the WH (lol) then he should step aside and support the repub who can actually win against Obama.

Guys who want to troll this thread, SHOW ME THE MATH. Pull up the links to the states, how they voted last time, and explain how Romney will be able to beat Obama, how he will appeal to the independent vote by promising to be like Bush, how he will woo the anti-war/anti-corruption/pro-constitution Paul voters by taking the same stance as Bush and Obama. chuckle

It really is just math. This whole Romney as nominee, gonna beat Obama thing is a farce. Obama is laughing (as are many non-repubs because it is funny) at the repubs who seem to think just because they back someone that means they have a chance at winning without bothering to actually analyze the numbers and objectively look at the situation. Even if Paul dropped out of the race Romney still could not win. So, if he doesn't get the nomination he should run 3rd party. He'd have a better chance at unseating Obama that way than letting Romney run against him head to head. Romney just sucks as a candidate. Hello. chuckle

**freebyrd**

but look at the throngs of supporters that show up to support romney!?!
chuckle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThnuVNaQBok

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 04:20 PM

freebyrd. yeah, i know, right? everyone just pretend "who let the dogs out" richie rich romney is a great candidate and can win against obama? and they call paul supporters crazy.

Jptdknpa

**GREY LENSMAN**

LOOK AT THE RESULTS IN GREECE AND TAKE ONBOARD

MASSIVE FALLS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT, WIPE OUTS REALLY

BUT ODD RESULTS

NEW DEMOCRACY WITH 18% CAPTURE TWICE AS MANY SEAT NEARLY A QUORUM, THAN THEIR NEAREST RIVAL 2 PERCENT BEHIND.

ITS ALL IN THE AIR

RON PAUL KNOWS THIS

GL

**Arch Phoenix**

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

LOOK AT THE RESULTS IN GREECE AND TAKE ONBOARD

MASSIVE FALLS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT, WIPE OUTS REALLY

BUT ODD RESULTS

NEW DEMOCRACY WITH 18% CAPTURE TWICE AS MANY SEAT NEARLY A QUORUM, THAN THEIR NEAREST RIVAL 2 PERCENT BEHIND.

ITS ALL IN THE AIR

RON PAUL KNOWS THIS

GL

How fast you forget grey Lensman. You were one of those telling us to f*ck off and die cause we said that the egyptian revolution was bogus. ANd now, one year later we see that they are screwed.

And no one ever apologized.

The lybian revolution...you wanted Ghadaffi out...how many people are still dying now?

And have you forgotten the Kissinger quote?
First act of the first chapter?.......
Blinded by faith,again and Paul will screw you more then the establishment ever could

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 04:31 PM

Yay, SHR is here.
Now, disprove the first post.
You can't. All you can do is troll the thread. That's cool. For idiot post I'll bump another pro-Paul or Romney is a dumbass thread in your honor.
Cheer

**Thucydides** lop guest User ID: 91955 05-11-2012 04:32 PM

OP is an Obama shill, not a Paul supporter.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 04:36 PM

Thucydides Wrote:

OP is an Obama shill, not a Paul supporter.

Hey there. Care to disprove what I said in the first post? Care to explain exactly HOW Romney has a snowball's chance in hell of beating Obama? Who likes him? How will he win the independent votes? He can't.

Romney supporters are delusional and must want Obama to win. Even more delusional than the McCain supporters in 2008 who handed the election to Obama because their egos were too big to admit what was obvious to any thinking person. The numbers are not there.

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 05-11-2012 05:04 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

OBAMA WINS 2012

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 05:06 PM

bump for truth.

see, i took the time to look at pie charts of the election results in 2008. other than a handful of southern states (that always vote red) most states have more dems voting than repubs. not a lot more but that's what makes the independents so important to repubs. and they OVERWHELMINGLY supported obama in 2008. mitt would need MOST independent votes across the country plus all the repub votes. what does mitt offer that would get their support? everything they voted against in 2008? Jptdknpa

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 05-11-2012 05:07 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

what does mitt offer that would get their support?

Free puppy with every Romney vote?

Norktppn

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 05:13 PM

The Evil AC Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
what does mitt offer that would get their support?

Free puppy with every Romney vote?

only if he ties it to the hood of my car himself
Jptdknpa

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 1804 05-11-2012 05:18 PM

The time has come to step up to the plate and put your cards on the table.....

The fix is in and the proof is in the pudding....

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 05-11-2012 05:19 PM

The only good thing that will come out of this election is the fact that YOU will realise America is really doomed

Big changes ahead in 2014-2015 on the international scene at the GLOBAL GOVERNMENT level

It's all there in writing, new financial regulations, sovereignty issues, the UN's decrees on international and national drug trafficking, arms dealing, people trafficking, racism, anti-semitism

IT'S AT THE DOORSTEP BROTHA!!

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95105 05-11-2012 05:24 PM

The Evil AC Wrote:

The only good thing that will come out of this election is the fact that YOU will realise America is really doomed

Big changes ahead in 2014-2015 on the international scene at the GLOBAL GOVERNMENT level

It's all there in writing, new financial regulations, sovereignty issues, the UN's decrees on international and national drug trafficking, arms dealing, people trafficking, racism, anti-semitism

IT'S AT THE DOORSTEP BROTHA!!

very well could be true and am very aware of what you're saying
i'm just not ready to throw in the towel yet
i see zero harm in trying
what's the worst thing that could happen?
destruction of the us as we know it?
given what will happen if we do nothing?
destruction of the us as we know it?
so, what's the difference?
see what i'm saying?
taking over the fascist repub party in states across the country is a good thing
how much impact it will have in the future remains to be seen, though
but what's so noble about going out with a whimper?