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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 08:09 AM

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mstra Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
The belief that man can become gods.

I'm curious why you would have a problem with this. Do you have some solid evidence that disproves the hypothesis?

I think both sides would have to define god first.

Cause even the regular old bible states that "those in Christ" will judge the Angels...that's pretty close to becoming deity divine in its own right.

John 10:34

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

Matthew 15:19

They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

Ephesians 4:6

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Psalm 82:1

A psalm of Asaph. God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods

Psalm 82

6, I have said, Ye are gods [original hebrew: elohim]; and all of you are children of the most High.

7, But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92090 04-26-2012 08:10 AM

Pi Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
Do you have solid evidence that proves this hypothesis...

C'mon dude u really believe the oldest LIE in the book?!?

lol nice

remember, though... they think that mankind was being freed from some kind of horrible enslavement, even though they were living like happy naked hippies

True. And we know that this lie started ALL the mystery schools from babylon to present day.

It is called the 'sacred promise' the 'ancient hope' and 'the great work'...it is the foundation for humanism, freemasonry, kabbalah, the new age, scientology, the zarathustra, and the illuminati. It is the LUCIFERIAN doctrine

But you got to go through one more cycle as a star cocnicouss before becoming deity. The Phoenix rising from the collapsed energy of a sun to form its own universe.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 08:11 AM

mstra Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
mstra Wrote:
I'm curious why you would have a problem with this. Do you have some solid evidence that disproves the hypothesis?

demon est deus inversus

instead of bringing acknowledgement to the Source, they think they are equal; that power comes from within themselves and not from within what is within themselves

I didn't limit my children. Didn't tell them they couldn't do or be anything that I did or am. Maybe I should have. Maybe I should have raised them to believe that the best they could hope for was if they spent their whole lives worshiping me I wouldn't torture them for eternity.

you're super confused, because you are a mere person who makes some people, not God [who made all things]

Pi lop guest User ID: 92758 04-26-2012 08:14 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Pi Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
lol nice

remember, though... they think that mankind was being freed from some kind of horrible enslavement, even though they were living like happy naked hippies

True. And we know that this lie started ALL the mystery schools from babylon to present day.

It is called the 'sacred promise' the 'ancient hope' and 'the great work'...it is the foundation for humanism, freemasonry, kabbalah, the new age, scientology, the zarathustra, and the illuminati. It is the LUCIFERIAN doctrine

But you got to go through one more cycle as a star cocnicouss before becoming deity. The Phoenix rising from the collapsed energy of a sun to form its own universe.

No thanks Ill wait for the real deal...the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 08:18 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
Do you have solid evidence that proves this hypothesis...

C'mon dude u really believe the oldest LIE in the book?!?

lol nice

remember, though... they think that mankind was being freed from some kind of horrible enslavement, even though they were living like happy naked hippies

I dont know if you've read Robert Monroe's OBE accounts, could be bullshit, but he gives a cool account of regressing to an Eden like scene in earths past, some of the details are pretty wild, like the humans were able to communicate with microorganisms in the earth, the birds, the seeds, they could make storms form for rain, either way cool story.

neat

i do recount a south american creation tale in which the gods decide to limit human beings, saying something along the lines of "are they not simple creatures of our making? why should they know the curvature of the earth or all things great and small?"

luciferians often cite scholars such as zecharia sitchin to claim that God didn't birth existence and people are only here because of the benevolent work of Ea/Enki. they fail to grasp that the gods were simply "angels" doing the work of the true God (and some things for themselves)

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92090 04-26-2012 08:20 AM

Pi Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
True. And we know that this lie started ALL the mystery schools from babylon to present day.

It is called the 'sacred promise' the 'ancient hope' and 'the great work'...it is the foundation for humanism, freemasonry, kabbalah, the new age, scientology, the zarathustra, and the illuminati. It is the LUCIFERIAN doctrine

But you got to go through one more cycle as a star cocnicouss before becoming deity. The Phoenix rising from the collapsed energy of a sun to form its own universe.

No thanks Ill wait for the real deal...the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ

Actually I agree, it's complete bullshit, I was just elaborating on the main basic tennent of the mysteries. :)

Pi lop guest User ID: 92759 04-26-2012 08:24 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Pi Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
But you got to go through one more cycle as a star cocnicouss before becoming deity. The Phoenix rising from the collapsed energy of a sun to form its own universe.

No thanks Ill wait for the real deal...the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ

Actually I agree, it's complete bullshit, I was just elaborating on the main basic tennent of the mysteries. :)

Oh good! I got confused there fer a second lol.

Theyre gonna be bummed they dont get to be overlords of their own planets...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 08:24 AM

Quote:"are they not simple creatures of our making? why should they know the curvature of the earth or all things great and small?"

also, it was said that not only did mankind inherantly know these things, they could "see" them in real time. many think this means it was indeed a description of cognitivie ability or second sight and not just teachings being withheld.

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 92748 04-26-2012 08:26 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

mstra Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
demon est deus inversus

instead of bringing acknowledgement to the Source, they think they are equal; that power comes from within themselves and not from within what is within themselves

I didn't limit my children. Didn't tell them they couldn't do or be anything that I did or am. Maybe I should have. Maybe I should have raised them to believe that the best they could hope for was if they spent their whole lives worshiping me I wouldn't torture them for eternity.

you're super confused, because you are a mere person who makes some people, not God [who made all things]

So you are saying that God chooses not to demonstrate the common sense and dignity of a simple human parent? Or that God is incapable of using simple common sense?

That may be your ideal, a deity that is so shallow that it makes little mud creatures to worship it, and punishes them if they don't. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 08:32 AM

mstra Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
mstra Wrote:
I didn't limit my children. Didn't tell them they couldn't do or be anything that I did or am. Maybe I should have. Maybe I should have raised them to believe that the best they could hope for was if they spent their whole lives worshiping me I wouldn't torture them for eternity.

you're super confused, because you are a mere person who makes some people, not God [who made all things]

So you are saying that God chooses not to demonstrate the common sense and dignity of a simple human parent? Or that God is incapable of using simple common sense?

That may be your ideal, a deity that is so shallow that it makes little mud creatures to worship it, and punishes them if they don't. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

stupid is as stupid does... and it looks like it did a lot to you

don't listen to skewed perspectives who preach absolute, unquestioning obedience under threat of eternal, inescapable torment

if you think you've never learned anything from a negative experience, you're too far gone

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92090 04-26-2012 08:59 AM

Pi Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
No thanks Ill wait for the real deal...the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ

Actually I agree, it's complete bullshit, I was just elaborating on the main basic tennent of the mysteries. :)

Oh good! I got confused there fer a second lol.

Theyre gonna be bummed they dont get to be overlords of their own planets...

They need to humble themselves. Their egos are going to be shattered when they die and find they are not in control.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 09:02 AM

Quote:Matthew 15:19

They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.

i'd just like to elaborate on this a bit because, of course...

John 14

6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

12, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

although he was the first, he most certainly wasn't the last. the immaculate conception was the supernatural birth of the son of God [see youtube.com/watch?v=0UR6YQ1PCVI] and the holy trinity is absolutely possible, as the divine fabric [see youtube.com/watch?v=8Q_GQqUg6Ts and/or youtube.com/watch?v=1_HrQVhgbeo] could easily form an avatar to experience His creation within. this does not, however, limit us to our current form

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 92748 04-26-2012 09:02 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

mstra Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
you're super confused, because you are a mere person who makes some people, not God [who made all things]

So you are saying that God chooses not to demonstrate the common sense and dignity of a simple human parent? Or that God is incapable of using simple common sense?

That may be your ideal, a deity that is so shallow that it makes little mud creatures to worship it, and punishes them if they don't. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

stupid is as stupid does... and it looks like it did a lot to you

don't listen to skewed perspectives who preach absolute, unquestioning obedience under threat of eternal, inescapable torment

if you think you've never learned anything from a negative experience, you're too far gone

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson

You have the wrong yo-yo. Or perhaps your reading comprehension isn't very good?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92058 04-26-2012 09:11 AM

mstra Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
mstra Wrote:
So you are saying that God chooses not to demonstrate the common sense and dignity of a simple human parent? Or that God is incapable of using simple common sense?

That may be your ideal, a deity that is so shallow that it makes little mud creatures to worship it, and punishes them if they don't. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

stupid is as stupid does... and it looks like it did a lot to you

don't listen to skewed perspectives who preach absolute, unquestioning obedience under threat of eternal, inescapable torment

if you think you've never learned anything from a negative experience, you're too far gone

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson

You have the wrong yo-yo. Or perhaps your reading comprehension isn't very good?

nice try, quit trying to pull strings by leaving irrelevant comments

you're not as clever as you think you are if you think i was replying to anything but the words on the screen, which i was quite consistent with. i don't care if two or more people are contributing to your side.

**Sitting Lunatic** lop guest User ID: 91609 04-26-2012 09:26 AM

Wow. Another thread bashing somoenes religion over the head repeatedly with a sledgehammer and proclaiming that all religions are nonsense and all that.

Actually, OP, your post is a good one but way off. You are pretty much presenting what best can be described as a mix of all the different Mormon groups beliefs and then overtly stating this is what the actual Church believes, calling it Luciferian and Masonic. Time to slam on the airbrakes and slow down for a wee bit.

The main Mormon Church does not believe in all these things stated. Sure, they are pretty much have a Masonic-like structure owing to the fact that Joseph Smith was a Freemason and adopted that framework for his religion. Then again, Smith got this through a rock and holding his hat to his face so...yeah. They ran with that one.

Are the Mormons Luciferian? No. Is Freemasonry Luciferian? No. How is this so? Simple. Mormons are an Alternate Belief System within Christianity. They really do not bother anyone and keep to themselves most of the time. The fringe groups and splinter groups from time to time come into the spotlight for their various goings-on but the main Church is pretty much quiet. Luciferian doctrine is a doctrine from the viewpoint of Lucifer before his eventual fall. That's all it is. Nothing more. Freemasonry isn't Luciferian, doesn't worship Satan and the like. Study it sometime. Become a part of it. You'll see.

Scientology is another one that can be rightly called a cult and also has a structure based on Freemasonry and has certain elements based on Ceremonial or High Magick if one cares to research it deeply enough.

So I hope this clears up matters but it probably won't. Read Mormon books. Understand what they really believe in instead of reading it in some book claiming to be exposing it or "in the know" and presenting this mix of beliefs about them. It really helps to do so.