SpeaRitual  Wrote:

Escort me to Mecca so that I might marvel at the Ka'aba stone ( with my crucifx lovingly displayed) - and to soak in mass reverie with others of my species.

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what I dont get is how on earth they know your a non muslim. Suppose you wanted to do the walk around the stone, you wouldnt be allowed too.

You are directed to various queues, the pilgrims are stacked vertically in communal accomodation and any non believers are weeded out very early.

FreedomStands  Wrote:

Azrael  Wrote:

Can I ask a question?

If i do not believe why am I expected to or asked to believe?

You won't believe what you don't believe. Nobody should be asked to believe anything really, but perhaps at least to understand some things, to research what they want to talk about carefully.

Read the Bible (3 versions) = Understood
Read the Koran = Understood

Took religious studies = Understood

Questions answered = None

Took the time to make a decision = Yes

I always have time to listen, understand and use my own brain to make an intelligent decision based on facts and evidence.

I can be pragmatic, pessimistic and exorbitant in life - but judge on another's belief system - I have learned to be tolerant, which for some belief systems the tolerance is nil or minimal.

Azrael  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

You won't believe what you don't believe. Nobody should be asked to believe anything really, but perhaps at least to understand some things, to research what they want to talk about carefully.

Read the Bible (3 versions) = Understood
Read the Koran = Understood

Took religious studies = Understood

Questions answered = None

Took the time to make a decision = Yes

I always have time to listen, understand and use my own brain to make an intelligent decision based on facts and evidence.

I can be pragmatic, pessimistic and exorbitant in life - but judge on another's belief system - I have learned to be tolerant, which for some belief systems the tolerance is nil or minimal.

I don't know what you mean by "questions answered = none". Lots of questions should've been answered about what those books say and what the people believe if they believe in those books.

FreedomStands  Wrote:

Azrael  Wrote:

Read the Bible (3 versions) = Understood
Read the Koran = Understood

Took religious studies = Understood

Questions answered = None

Took the time to make a decision = Yes

I always have time to listen, understand and use my own brain to make an intelligent decision based on facts and evidence.

I can be pragmatic, pessimistic and exorbitant in life - but judge on another's belief system - I have learned to be tolerant, which for some belief systems the tolerance is nil or minimal.

I don't know what you mean by "questions answered = none". Lots of questions should've been answered about what those books say and what the people believe if they believe in those books.

Okay will rephrase:

My questions answered adequately in a way that I can make complete sense of without questioning the logic and reasons behind the answers.

But this is not an argument with you - you know that don't you?

What I am saying is that i cannot believe in something that personally I cannot see any real truth in - I see a historical text and a progression of logic over history.

But I won't question someones faith anymore as I have learned that questioning someone's faith is like someone trying to convince me to convert.

I believe in life beyond our planet - but I will not push that rhetoric on anyone. And I do not expect someone who is a creationist to believe anything other than what they believe.

I do expect that if I listen to religious views and try to understand the logic, then someone of a religious view should be able to listen and understand my logic.

Is that a better answer lol :)

Your email is called a "Religious chain mail". You have been duped by the oldest jedi mind tricks around.

(yes, jedi mind trick...which translate into "Weak minded people believe in chain mails".)

Azrael  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

I don't know what you mean by "questions answered = none". Lots of questions should've been answered about what those books say and what the people believe if they believe in those books.

Okay will rephrase:

My questions answered adequately in a way that I can make complete sense of without questioning the logic and reasons behind the answers.

But this is not an argument with you - you know that don't you?

What I am saying is that i cannot believe in something that personally I cannot see any real truth in - I see a historical text and a progression of logic over history.

But I won't question someones faith anymore as I have learned that questioning someone's faith is like someone trying to convince me to convert.

I believe in life beyond our planet - but I will not push that rhetoric on anyone. And I do not expect someone who is a creationist to believe anything other than what they believe.

I do expect that if I listen to religious views and try to understand the logic, then someone of a religious view should be able to listen and understand my logic.

Is that a better answer lol :)

Yeah, and I didn't mean to sound argumentative if I did, because I really wasn't arguing with you or anything, I was just curious as to what questions you were talking about?

I think everything should apply to logic and reasoning, and that bad things come out of just believing things blindly without any reasoning backing it up. That doesn't mean that everything needs any kind of material substance for evidence, but that everything should make logical sense in order to at least sound true.

Your email is called a "Religious chain mail". You have been duped by the oldest jedi mind tricks around.

(yes, jedi mind trick...which translate into "Weak minded people believe in chain mails".)

FreedomStands  Wrote:

Azrael  Wrote:

Okay will rephrase:

My questions answered adequately in a way that I can make complete sense of without questioning the logic and reasons behind the answers.

But this is not an argument with you - you know that don't you?

What I am saying is that i cannot believe in something that personally I cannot see any real truth in - I see a historical text and a progression of logic over history.

But I won't question someones faith anymore as I have learned that questioning someone's faith is like someone trying to convince me to convert.

I believe in life beyond our planet - but I will not push that rhetoric on anyone. And I do not expect someone who is a creationist to believe anything other than what they believe.

I do expect that if I listen to religious views and try to understand the logic, then someone of a religious view should be able to listen and understand my logic.

Is that a better answer lol :)

Yeah, and I didn't mean to sound argumentative if I did, because I really wasn't arguing with you or anything, I was just curious as to what questions you were talking about?

I think everything should apply to logic and reasoning, and that bad things come out of just believing things blindly without any reasoning backing it up. That doesn't mean that everything needs any kind of material substance for evidence, but that everything should make logical sense in order to at least sound true.

Logical sense is the wording :)

Naa it is just me waking up thinking the world is against me again

Escort me to Mecca so that I might marvel at the Ka'aba stone ( with my crucifx lovingly displayed) - and to soak in mass reverie with others of my species.

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Ea, with Water, Won Earth
Ea Fired Pilot Anzu
Ea Sent Abgal to Nibiru with Gold Samples

Richard Eldritch  Wrote:

Sorry mate but this is a load of bollocks on several levels. First off the fastest growing religion is atheism.
Second, many of these islamic tenets are just carried over from the medieval period, and most Muslim understand them in context as a historical tradition NOT a literal command. Granted some Islamic nutter do take them literally but in the UK at least they are a minority.
Third your figures of 20years before they can elect an Islamic Govenment is also nonsense. Muslims make up just 3-4 % of the population many of whom are from a secular background. It also assumes that other faiths don't have children and that Muslims can expand indefinatly, which anyone that know Britain knows is impossible due to planning laws and cultural bonds in indigenous comunitys
I conclude that this E mail is a EDL wind up or maybe even a BNP scheme.

Richard the majority of what you say is quite correct, but faith schools or a sorry excuse at keeping Muslim kids away from other schools do exist. up here in the North as in places around London there are some quite secular areas where whole communities are from one religious background - it is not just Muslims, but the Jewish do this to. Having said that there are predominantly Christian and Catholic areas around churches.

Bolton for instance has a mainly Muslim area in Daubhill and Deane, also Blackburn Road - There ARE faith schools, also schools where 99% of the attendance is Islamic.

In Blackburn, Darwen, Burnley, Sheffield and several other you will see the same.

Unfortunately this is one of the FAILURES of the UK government over the years, whether it is a Conservative, LibDem or Labour mess - they all screwed up.

Having said that one thing the OP has touched upon is the amount of mixed nationals in councils. Yes I understand the need for a voice in the community - but MP's and Council Chambers??? I'm more for having community leaders not elected officials from countries that have not bothered to understand and respect the UK. For the most we do not have a problem with radicals in positions of power in the UK - yet!

I completely understand the need to keep faith, but integration is a must have - without out it you fan the flames of hatred and racism.

As for the rest you are right, probably EDL wind up and the government thing is garbage.

They might have been speechless at the ignorance of the speaker who claimed that Allah says to kill "infidels" (a word originally used by Christians towards muslims and everyone else) to go to heaven? While he claims Jesus says to love people haha lets read what Jesus said:

Luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

and the Qur'an says:

2:190
Fight those who fight against you along God's way, yet do not initiate hostilities; God does not love aggressors.

2:192
But if they cease (attacking and war), God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

2:193
...but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

It is only talking about defensive war, when war is declared upon people, and they are attacked, then the muslim has the right to defend themselves and their families, which is only logical. The Qur'an repeatedly says to be forgiving, to ignore non-physical attacks, but it gives people the right to fight back when they need to survive and defend themselves.

The Old Testament suggests pre-emptive war and killing people for no reason other than their difference in religion, burning their entire cities the ground being one of the 613 commandments of the Bible, and this extends even to killing your own children if they even suggest the worship of another God or practice of another religion.

The New Testament, though it clearly states to bring forth the enemies of Jesus and slay them before Jesus as Jesus supposedly commands, it also says this:

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35
For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--

Matthew 10:37
a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;

and

Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

Luke 12:52
From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.

Luke 12:53
They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

and with true malice towards humanity, also suggests not defending oneself in order to protect their bodies or their families but rather:

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

and finally:

Matthew 18:6 -
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

Matthew 5:28 -
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Mark 9:42 -
"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Everyone will be salted with fire.

_____________

Sorry mate but this is a load of bollocks on several levels. First off the fastest growing religion is atheism.
Second, many of these islamic tenets are just carried over from the medieval period, and most Muslim understand them in context as a historical tradition NOT a literal command. Granted some Islamic nutter do take them literally but in the UK at least they are a minority.
Third your figures of 20years before they can elect an Islamic Govenment is also nonsense. Muslims make up just 3-4 % of the population many of whom are from a secular background. It also assumes that other faiths don't have children and that Muslims can expand indefinatly, which anyone that know Britain knows is impossible due to planning laws and cultural bonds in indigenous comunitys
I conclude that this E mail is a EDL wind up or maybe even a BNP scheme.

FreedomStands  Wrote:

They might have been speechless at the ignorance of the speaker who claimed that Allah says to kill "infidels" (a word originally used by Christians towards muslims and everyone else) to go to heaven? While he claims Jesus says to love people haha lets read what Jesus said:

Luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

and the Qur'an says:

2:190
Fight those who fight against you along God's way, yet do not initiate hostilities; God does not love aggressors.

2:192
But if they cease (attacking and war), God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

2:193
...but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

It is only talking about defensive war, when war is declared upon people, and they are attacked, then the muslim has the right to defend themselves and their families, which is only logical. The Qur'an repeatedly says to be forgiving, to ignore non-physical attacks, but it gives people the right to fight back when they need to survive and defend themselves.

The Old Testament suggests pre-emptive war and killing people for no reason other than their difference in religion, burning their entire cities the ground being one of the 613 commandments of the Bible, and this extends even to killing your own children if they even suggest the worship of another God or practice of another religion.

The New Testament, though it clearly states to bring forth the enemies of Jesus and slay them before Jesus as Jesus supposedly commands, it also says this:

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35
For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--

Matthew 10:37
a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;

and

Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

Luke 12:52
From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.

Luke 12:53
They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

and with true malice towards humanity, also suggests not defending oneself in order to protect their bodies or their families but rather:

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

and finally:

Matthew 18:6 -
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

Matthew 5:28 -
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Mark 9:42 -
"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Everyone will be salted with fire.

_____________

You can cherrypick alot in both books. The coctail of lies halftruths and pure bullshit is genius.

SpeaRitual  Wrote:

Escort me to Mecca so that I might marvel at the Ka'aba stone ( with my crucifx lovingly displayed) - and to soak in mass reverie with others of my species.

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...7C06AA.jpg

Going to have to say this might just be a yellow flag day.

KILL WHITEY !

Quote:Alalu Nukes to Earth, Said Gold’s Here, Threatened Nibiru
Ea, with Water, Won Earth
Ea Fired Pilot Anzu
Ea Sent Abgal to Nibiru with Gold Samples

Why these moonies always changing thier names anyway?
Alalu, Allah, what they trying to hide anyways.....
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