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Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 120574 09-26-2012 03:30 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
bump
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 122765 09-26-2012 03:40 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
"collateral damage"
ignore me bro i have had my soma (alcohol) today.
5*s bro
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 34270 09-26-2012 04:05 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
this thread is like listening to a novice rant from a giddyy college freshman who just read 1984 for the first time and figured out that advertising firms exaggerate or Hollywood is fake or politicians lie.
followed by the self congratulatory dorm room circle jerk.
hippies and liberals have known this for years. you folks think you are catching on but as conservative regressives you're still part of the problem, same as ever.
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geminigirl Registered User User ID: 60111 09-26-2012 04:22 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
LoP Guest Wrote:bump
Thanks for bumping this I wouldn't have found it without you.
Frig, I have been studying cults & mind control again. Language is huge with cults & part of deprograming is to get rid of the mind control language. One story I read recently was that the person's programming started to break down when they had to move to another country & starting learning a new language & culture.
The double bind secenerio (good read by the way) is another thing I've noticed with my research. The contradictory messages are in place to keep the subject under control. One message will negate the other & as that is built on layer by layer the person's only response is to do what they are told in the moment without thought about the reaction & disregarding their inner feelings about it.
Anyway, the smaller scale mind control research that I've been doing can be applied to a larger scale. It's been a huge help weeding through political stories, corporate scandals, etc.
5* good post
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 122765 09-26-2012 04:26 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
LoP Guest Wrote:this thread is like listening to a novice rant from a giddyy college freshman who just read 1984 for the first time and figured out that advertising firms exaggerate or Hollywood is fake or politicians lie.
followed by the self congratulatory dorm room circle jerk.
hippies and liberals have known this for years. you folks think you are catching on but as conservative regressives you're still part of the problem, same as ever.

old school trolllllllllllll......
loser you still here?
damn pay must be good
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 120574 09-26-2012 04:34 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
geminigirl Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:bump
Thanks for bumping this I wouldn't have found it without you. 
Any time.
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no 1 home lop guest User ID: 101655 09-26-2012 08:53 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
LoP Guest Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:this thread is like listening to a novice rant from a giddyy college freshman who just read 1984 for the first time and figured out that advertising firms exaggerate or Hollywood is fake or politicians lie.
followed by the self congratulatory dorm room circle jerk.
hippies and liberals have known this for years. you folks think you are catching on but as conservative regressives you're still part of the problem, same as ever.

old school trolllllllllllll......
loser you still here?
damn pay must be good
did you mention 1984?
Some Russian Film director:
Документальный фильм "На прицеле ваш мозг" (1984)
THE TARGET IS YOUR BRAIN (1984) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The target is your brain is a Soviet documentary film produced in 1984 by Felix Sobolev and Victor Olender. This film is about methods of ideological warfare. It is about the creation of illusions, advertisement, influence on the voters, CIA experiments for mind control and propaganda methods. Despite being almost 30 years old, it is suprisingly very relevant for today. It promotes the values of rationalism over irrationalism of American popular culture. The director of the film Felix Sobolev, died during the production of the film at age 52. The film was finished by Victor Olender. The film has English subtitles. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Country: USSR Directors: Felix Sobolev, Victor Olender Year: 1984 Subtitles: English
_if you can find it.... there is some version with English subs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7yZeWUelBE
OrWell was warning about the Leninists... or was he warning them about creeping fascism?
this site
Provides a more analytical version of why Junior high school students are encouraged to read ORWELL.
Quote: Political Bias In Education
Many study guides have been written with the intention of showing students exactly what it is they are supposed to think about the story, and consequently how to write model answers in their exams. These guides are far more candid than Orwell himself was about the anti-communist content of his work.
Contained in the latest edition of York Notes on Animal Farm is a succinct, bullet-pointed history of the Soviet Union, written without any untidy reference to the real thing and designed to fit neatly with Orwell's version of events, as presented in Animal Farm. It is interesting to note that in 1997, the anti-communist nature of Orwell's work is stressed over all else, far more than was the case 20 years ago. Older study guides are more apologetic, asking the reader not to take too literally the parallels with Soviet history. Obviously embarrassed by the blatant lies and unfounded allegations, they ask the reader to read the story as a fable about dictatorships `in general'. In part, this may be due to the fact that the generation who lived through the War has become far remote from the classroom, but in the main, we can attribute this to the fact that, whatever the claims of the bourgeoisie, Cold War or no Cold War, the threat to imperialism that communism poses is greater than ever.
It is worth examining the text of this latest study guide, since it makes no bones about the real purpose of Orwell's novel, and the warped version of history that he wanted to spread among the workers:
“Communism was strongly influenced by the ideas of Karl Marx who believed that life could be explained in economic and social terms. The rich capitalist class exploited the lower proletariat. . . and this situation could only be reversed by revolution. Many of Marx's ideas lie behind Major's speech in Chapter I”. (York Notes, Animal Farm, Wanda Opalinska: 1997, London, p.12)
The slant in the writing leaves no room for question. The science of Marxism is described as an `idea', ie. something fabricated out of Marx's head with no particular reference to, or proof from, the concrete world. It is noticeable that the use of the past tense is designed to give the impression that capitalism no longer acts in this way.
“The Communist Party under the leadership of Lenin rose and took power.
“After the Revolution, Trotsky and Lenin established a communist society in the Soviet Union. . . All property, wealth and work was meant to be divided equally between all individuals” (ibid. , p.12).
Having said that Lenin led the Revolution, Opalinska is quick to bring Trotsky onto the scene as an equal partner in leadership. This serves a triple purpose:
1) the names of Trotsky and Lenin are linked in a casual and natural way, as if they were of one mind and purpose - a linkage which is repeated at every opportunity throughout the bourgeois press and the education system, so that it becomes inculcated in the minds of all without the necessity of ever having to find out from a reliable source;
2) it leads quite naturally to the belief that Trotsky must have been the `next in line' to the leadership of the Bolshevik party - the idea of `succession' coming far easier to most bourgeois students than that of proletarian democracy;
3) by omitting his name, it denies Stalin any role in the Revolution or its immediate aftermath. By leaving out Lenin from the events of the Russian Revolution, Orwell is able to give credit for all Lenin's achievements and leadership to Trotsky, adding credence to the idea that it is Trotsky, rather than Stalin, who is the defender of Leninism.
Learning to read, learning to WATCH TV, Learning to SURF the internet... it barely occurs to most that there is some necessary skill involved.
Just sit there and let the shit stick to your brain.
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Jade budda Registered User User ID: 121427 09-26-2012 09:06 AM
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
geminigirl Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:bump
Thanks for bumping this I wouldn't have found it without you. 
Frig, I have been studying cults & mind control again. Language is huge with cults & part of deprograming is to get rid of the mind control language. One story I read recently was that the person's programming started to break down when they had to move to another country & starting learning a new language & culture.
The double bind secenerio (good read by the way) is another thing I've noticed with my research. The contradictory messages are in place to keep the subject under control. One message will negate the other & as that is built on layer by layer the person's only response is to do what they are told in the moment without thought about the reaction & disregarding their inner feelings about it.
Anyway, the smaller scale mind control research that I've been doing can be applied to a larger scale. It's been a huge help weeding through political stories, corporate scandals, etc.
5* good post
I've always read about this mind control and torture.
See the system for what it is..
But I get nothing.
No contact, no pestering, nothing.
Sometimes I think a little harassment would at least wake me out of my sleep.
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Oh Bother :P Registered User User ID: 122562 09-26-2012 09:37 AM
Posts: 8,054
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RE: Newspeak and Reality...Which world are we in?
Jade budda Wrote:geminigirl Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:bump
Thanks for bumping this I wouldn't have found it without you. 
Frig, I have been studying cults & mind control again. Language is huge with cults & part of deprograming is to get rid of the mind control language. One story I read recently was that the person's programming started to break down when they had to move to another country & starting learning a new language & culture.
The double bind secenerio (good read by the way) is another thing I've noticed with my research. The contradictory messages are in place to keep the subject under control. One message will negate the other & as that is built on layer by layer the person's only response is to do what they are told in the moment without thought about the reaction & disregarding their inner feelings about it.
Anyway, the smaller scale mind control research that I've been doing can be applied to a larger scale. It's been a huge help weeding through political stories, corporate scandals, etc.
5* good post
I've always read about this mind control and torture.
See the system for what it is..
But I get nothing.
No contact, no pestering, nothing.
Sometimes I think a little harassment would at least wake me out of my sleep.
be happy about that, use your open free time to distract yourself with interesting things, new things, productive things, ever tried self hypnotism? theres something for you.
I have been and still am a seeker, but I have ceased to question stars and books. I have begun to listen to the teachings my blood whispers to me: Hermann Hesse
If there be magic, let it be an art.
:Small bend from William Shakespeare
“How lucky I am to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh
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