Imagineer Laura nli  Wrote:

geminigirl  Wrote:

it's easy to wait for someone to come save you & easy to blame others or an entire system for our failures. The truth is we need to take responsibility for our problems & that truth will set us free.

OK, suppose you take responsibility for all the problems in the world because you either did or didn't do or say something, how does that set you free?

I think the video is dead wrong because of the dead-end philosophy it promotes. It casts all responsibility on the wrong people and frees all those who shirked their responsibility, the people in positions of power.

It's is totally up to those people who have taken advantage of people and raised themselves up into positions of power on the backs of the people they oppressed/stepped on. Now they have to live up to that responsibility that goes with the power/money they have accumulated.

So if you are saying those oppressed/enslaved people have to work with no physical assets, no money/economy/jobs or basically the whole mess that those in power created by their selfishness and greed and somehow if we could just see it was all our own fault for trusting, relying or hoping for those ptb to create something better, that miraculously this realization that we have been so totally fracked over- will set us free.

The obvious lessons in that scenario are don't ever trust anyone with power or authority because they will abuse it to take advantage of you and capitalize on you for their own selfish gain. Then they will justify their lack of living up to responsibility by convincing people that it was their own fault for trusting and believing their was some social obligation or responsibility that was supposed to come with gaining power and authority.

It could be looked at like a big enslavement camp where the slaves have helped the slavemasters take over the world/land and extract its resources and now they want to set the slaves free with no compensation. The problem is the slavemasters own everything and demand payment so while the slaves may have freedom from contract work, they have been robbed of their homes and land to work for themselves and provide for themselves. If they want to even eat or have a roof over their heads they have to again sell themselves by the hour and become slaves to minimum or unreasonably low wages and debt or government subsidy to meet subsistence. How the frick is that being free?

I can envision how we could be free through self sufficient communities but without any land or money to start it it's not doable.

I think a reasonable thing would be for some projects like self sufficient communities to be supported in start-up by those who have benefited the most from the inflated real estate and housing industry, the banks. This could be one way for them to start making reparations to those they took advantage/capitalized on. Or, a less desirable option is for those people join together in a class action lawsuit to be compensated for the economic fraud they have been subject to by the banks.

There is no one to blame, but yourself for not putting solutions into action. If you feel you have found an answer that is doable it is up to you to make it happen. If each person focuses on the solutions & not who is to blame then we would be much further along than we are now. No one gets a free pass & remember there are far more slaves than masters. The masses have the power & it up to us to use it.

geminigirl  Wrote:

Imagineer Laura nli  Wrote:

OK, suppose you take responsibility for all the problems in the world because you either did or didn't do or say something, how does that set you free?

I think the video is dead wrong because of the dead-end philosophy it promotes. It casts all responsibility on the wrong people and frees all those who shirked their responsibility, the people in positions of power.

It's is totally up to those people who have taken advantage of people and raised themselves up into positions of power on the backs of the people they oppressed/stepped on. Now they have to live up to that responsibility that goes with the power/money they have accumulated.

So if you are saying those oppressed/enslaved people have to work with no physical assets, no money/economy/jobs or basically the whole mess that those in power created by their selfishness and greed and somehow if we could just see it was all our own fault for trusting, relying or hoping for those ptb to create something better, that miraculously this realization that we have been so totally fracked over- will set us free.

The obvious lessons in that scenario are don't ever trust anyone with power or authority because they will abuse it to take advantage of you and capitalize on you for their own selfish gain. Then they will justify their lack of living up to responsibility by convincing people that it was their own fault for trusting and believing their was some social obligation or responsibility that was supposed to come with gaining power and authority.

It could be looked at like a big enslavement camp where the slaves have helped the slavemasters take over the world/land and extract its resources and now they want to set the slaves free with no compensation. The problem is the slavemasters own everything and demand payment so while the slaves may have freedom from contract work, they have been robbed of their homes and land to work for themselves and provide for themselves. If they want to even eat or have a roof over their heads they have to again sell themselves by the hour and become slaves to minimum or unreasonably low wages and debt or government subsidy to meet subsistence. How the frick is that being free?

I can envision how we could be free through self sufficient communities but without any land or money to start it it's not doable.

I think a reasonable thing would be for some projects like self sufficient communities to be supported in start-up by those who have benefited the most from the inflated real estate and housing industry, the banks. This could be one way for them to start making reparations to those they took advantage/capitalized on. Or, a less desirable option is for those people join together in a class action lawsuit to be compensated for the economic fraud they have been subject to by the banks.

There is no one to blame, but yourself for not putting solutions into action. If you feel you have found an answer that is doable it is up to you to make it happen. If each person focuses on the solutions & not who is to blame then we would be much further along than we are now. No one gets a free pass & remember there are far more slaves than masters. The masses have the power & it up to us to use it.

If no-one gets a free pass then how come you are giving a free pass to tptb that stole everyone elses humble American Dream of self sufficiency through their/tptb greed?

Placing responsibility where it belongs is not about blame but identifying what went wrong, what failed and then making sure it doesn't happen again.

This joke sums it up.

It had been raining for days and days, and a terrible flood had come over the land. The waters rose so high that one man was forced to climb onto the roof of his house.

As the waters rose higher and higher, a man in a rowboat appeared, and told him to get in. "No," replied the man on the roof. "I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me." So the man in the rowboat went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.

The waters rose higher and higher, and suddenly a speedboat appeared. "Climb in!" shouted a man in the boat. "No," replied the man on the roof. "I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me." So the man in the speedboat went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.


The waters continued to rise. A helicopter appeared and over the loudspeaker, the pilot announced he would lower a rope to the man on the roof. "No," replied the man on the roof. "I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me." So the helicopter went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.

The waters rose higher and higher, and eventually they rose so high that the man on the roof was washed away, and alas, the poor man drowned.

Upon arriving in heaven, the man marched straight over to God. "Heavenly Father," he said, "I had faith in you, I prayed to you to save me, and yet you did nothing. Why?" God gave him a puzzled look, and replied "I sent you two boats and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"

51:50  Wrote:

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Elvis? hope not

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Towards the end of the video was a picture of a hand with a finger pointing at another figure and the voice said, "don't blame others". That hand with the finger pointing towards another, had three fingers pointing back at the accuser. This is what it is to blame another; three fingers are pointed back at you.

I hated when my parents said that to me, but darn it they were right.

You people who keep saying focus on solutions and not blame or responsibility must be shills for tptb to help shield them from the justice.

Tell me where is the 'justice' in your philosophy?

LoP Guest  Wrote:

You people who keep saying focus on solutions and not blame or responsibility must be shills for tptb to help shield them from the justice.

Tell me where is the 'justice' in your philosophy?

I'll respond once more & then I'll leave it. No one is shielded. We are ALL at fault. Take action or stop blaming & complaining. No one is going to save you...it is up to you to save yourself.

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I like it! Well said.

We tell individuals that in order to move ahead in their lives they have to learn from their past mistakes. We don't tell folks to forget their past mistakes and pretend they didn't happen. Not generally anyway. Most astute folks will tell you that their past mistakes contributed to their current awareness. Why should humanity as a whole be any different? We can wake up and realize that what we are experiencing is exactly what we should be experiencing and learn from that understanding. Maybe mistakes have been being made, but if we realize what we're really doing wrong we can make changes to our belief structures. There are no bogey men. Ignorance is the only enemy that really exists.

Thanks for the vid Astrochik - I'll have to check out the rest of them when I have a chance.

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