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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99449 09-12-2012 09:14 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Mike Wrote:
I betcha if they got a decent following of folks protesting that I could stop by with GMO foods all prepared for them and they would blindly eat em.

In a channeling it was said that we can eat even poison and be living. All you need to do in these times is ask for protection so your food is not contaminated. But of course you can't be a murder or you obviously will not be helped. Only people that asks and are high vibration get the help.
This helping only to high vibration people will be the norm in the chaos ahead these coming months when all the structures collapse (social, economic and religious).
Interesting times ahead. I eat only fruits, vegetables, dry fruits, and "bless them before eating them" and also ask for help to cleanse any toxins on it.
Everybody do whatever you please. I just say what I do.

Hope they weren't channeling Marshall Applewhite.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 120480 09-12-2012 09:18 PM

They'll say that it yields far more crop - maybe

They'll say that it's tested and proved safe - Absolutely False!

The REAL reason behind the aggressive push to get it out there and accepted is because private individuals want to control the worlds food by patenting the $ource$. You can count on that!

They're manipulating the legal system, they're manipulating the government, they're manipulators!

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 09-12-2012 09:22 PM by dolphin.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Redheaded Stepchild Wrote:
dolphin Wrote:
A post definately worthy of a bump.

Too bad it won't get much traction.

A small California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001 announced the development of genetically engineered corn which contained a spermicide which made the semen of men who ate it sterile. At the time Epicyte had a joint venture agreement to spread its technology with DuPont and Syngenta, two of the sponsors of the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault. Epicyte was since acquired by a North Carolina biotech company. Astonishing to learn was that Epicyte had developed its spermicidal GMO corn with research funds from the US Department of Agriculture, the same USDA which, despite worldwide opposition, continued to finance the development of Terminator technology, now held by Monsanto.

In the 1990’s the UN’s World Health Organization launched a campaign to vaccinate millions of women in Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines between the ages of 15 and 45, allegedly against Tentanus, a sickness arising from such things as stepping on a rusty nail. The vaccine was not given to men or boys, despite the fact they are presumably equally liable to step on rusty nails as women.

Because of that curious anomaly, Comite Pro Vida de Mexico, a Roman Catholic lay organization became suspicious and had vaccine samples tested. The tests revealed that the Tetanus vaccine being spread by the WHO only to women of child-bearing age contained human Chorionic Gonadotrophin or hCG, a natural hormone which when combined with a tetanus toxoid carrier stimulated antibodies rendering a woman incapable of maintaining a pregnancy. None of the women vaccinated were told.

It later came out that the Rockefeller Foundation along with the Rockefeller’s Population Council, the World Bank (home to CGIAR), and the United States’ National Institutes of Health had been involved in a 20-year-long project begun in 1972 to develop the concealed abortion vaccine with a tetanus carrier for WHO. In addition, the Government of Norway, the host to the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault, donated $41 million to develop the special abortive Tetanus vaccine. 12

Dolphin,
You work hard, and there's no denying that. You have collected a great wealth of information. You know a lot.

Your collection methods seem sloppy, I guess. You forgot to keep track of your online links and your printed sources. A general caveat in your signature isn't enough to cover your backside. Why risk lawsuits?

At any rate, you need to cite what you post if you did not write it yourself. Otherwise, it IS plagiarism...plain and simple.

The article you posted bits of above is from a piece by F. William Engdahl, titled
“Doomsday Seed Vault” in the Arctic -
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-se...he-arctic/

Do what I do, use a database next time. Include source information, a description and keyword parameters. It'll help both you and the people you are trying to inform.

I am posting in an online forum. I am not writing a dissertation for a PhD. More importantly I am not violating any copy write laws.

What is important is making people aware of the information. They can look up sources using the information I post just as you did.

**Mike** lop guest User ID: 94568 09-12-2012 09:21 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Mike Wrote:
I betcha if they got a decent following of folks protesting that I could stop by with GMO foods all prepared for them and they would blindly eat em.

asshole.

It's likely true though. The point I was attempting to make is there seems to be an awful lot of anti-gmo folks out there but they keep on paying tribute to the companies that keep people like Monsanto in business.

**Mike** lop guest User ID: 94568 09-12-2012 09:22 PM

dolphin Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Redheaded Stepchild Wrote:
Dolphin,
You work hard, and there's no denying that. You have collected a great wealth of information. You know a lot.

Your collection methods seem sloppy, I guess. You forgot to keep track of your online links and your printed sources. A general caveat in your signature isn't enough to cover your backside. Why risk lawsuits?

At any rate, you need to cite what you post if you did not write it yourself. Otherwise, it IS plagiarism...plain and simple.

The article you posted bits of above is from a piece by F. William Engdahl, titled
“Doomsday Seed Vault” in the Arctic -
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-se...he-arctic/

Do what I do, use a database next time. Include source information, a description and keyword parameters. It'll help both you and the people you are trying to inform.

I am posting in an online forum. I am not writing a dissertation for a PhD. More importantly I am not violating any copy write laws.

What is important is making people aware. They can look up sources using the information I post.

If you're not citing your source, you are. Disturbed actually gave you a warning about this...

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 09-12-2012 09:32 PM by dolphin.)

Mike Wrote:

dolphin Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Do what I do, use a database next time. Include source information, a description and keyword parameters. It'll help both you and the people you are trying to inform.

I am posting in an online forum. I am not writing a dissertation for a PhD. More importantly I am not violating any copy write laws.

What is important is making people aware. They can look up sources using the information I post.

If you're not citing your source, you are. Disturbed actually gave you a warning about this...

I did not post an article. I posted a snippit. It does not violate copy write laws. I have no intention of going through an entire archive that took me years to compile to find links and to figure out where it was I got what.

I have been posting the same way for over 5 years at other forums and this forum without it ever being an issue. If D wants me to leave LOP all he needs to do is send me a private message saying so. I would then delete the link in my favorites and you would never see me post here again. Anoymously, or otherwise.

I explained to him how I have the information I post compiled in an archive without links and he asked me to explain it when I post the information without a link. I then told him I would modify my signature to explain it. He made no objection.

**GreenAQ** · **GreenAQ** Livin' a dream User ID: 113375 09-12-2012 09:28 PM **Posts: 9,025**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Fand Wrote:
Zardoz Wrote:
They should change the name. "Occupy" was such a monumental flop. They had no demands....except "Change" (unspecified change - except for having the government pay their school loans off) It had no cohesive message and no point.

This movement has a clear cut agenda - it seems.

How will they end chemtrails?
Monsanto is the answer to the alkaline/high aluminum soil.
Problem-Reaction-Solution.

It's only one piece of this Hegelian Dialectic.

I'm not against OWS. It's nice to see people protesting, but I agree with your comment. They had no specified well-thought-out demands, and therefore, were doomed for failure...sort of like the Children's Crusade. (Child-like minds)
Anyone protesting or resisting GMOs has my support! I've been avoiding, and thereby, boycotting GMOs for several years now. I try to inform others of the dangers of GMOs and encourage people to buy organic, or better yet, start their own organic garden. The best way to be sure the food you eat is healthy and safe is to grow it yourself.

The MISTAKE I see is they identify at all with the occupy movement they would do much better standing on their own and I think people would be more attracted to the anti gmo than they would be for anything occupy.

I always thought movements would be better without the need to call it something. It feels like once the movement has been named, you kill it. But some people like identifying with a name, and it makes it easier to organize around a name.

If it were my world, I would mash the politics of great artists (includes musicians and film makers), Obama, Occupy, veterans who have fought in the front lines, and lunatics. :)

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 120232 09-12-2012 09:34 PM

dolphin Wrote:

I am posting in an online forum. I am not writing a dissertation for a PhD. More importantly I am not violating any copy write laws.

copyright is the word.....it's becoming obvious that you don't understand copyright violations. and that fact that you take the tone and stance that you do is suggestive of something else entirely.

people on this thread have tried to encourage you to comply yet you respond defiantly and suggest it's all an attempt to censor you.

while not being at all versed in your historical relationship with this forum...i'm beginning to see why you may meet with conflict with the admin here. it's not them........

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 120232 09-12-2012 09:37 PM

dolphin Wrote:

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I explained to him how I have the information I post compiled in an archive without links and he asked me to explain it when I post the information without a link. I then told him I would modify my signature to explain it. He made no objection.

that's all i was wondering....thanks for explaining that. disregard my last post. sounds like you cleared it up

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99449 09-12-2012 09:43 PM

dolphin Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Redheaded Stepchild Wrote:
Dolphin,
You work hard, and there's no denying that. You have collected a great wealth of information. You know a lot.

Your collection methods seem sloppy, I guess. You forgot to keep track of your online links and your printed sources. A general caveat in your signature isn't enough to cover your backside. Why risk lawsuits?

At any rate, you need to cite what you post if you did not write it yourself. Otherwise, it IS plagiarism...plain and simple.

The article you posted bits of above is from a piece by F. William Engdahl, titled
“Doomsday Seed Vault” in the Arctic -
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-se...he-arctic/

Do what I do, use a database next time. Include source information, a description and keyword parameters. It'll help both you and the people you are trying to inform.

I am posting in an online forum. I am not writing a dissertation for a PhD. More importantly I am not violating any copy write laws.

What is important is making people aware of the information. They can look up sources using the information I post just as you did.

Don't be so touchy, and don't be so dismissive. If you aren't familiar with how to use a database, it isn't difficult and there are free alternatives out there like OpenOffice Base. I'm not writing a dissertation either, but I also have a database compiled of just good information named stuff. It has everything from recommendations for local businesses to what type of glue works best for adhering floorboards to joists. What's important is having information readily available and easily accessible. The secondary benefit is being able to source your information.

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 09-12-2012 09:53 PM by dolphin.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

dolphin Wrote:
I am posting in an online forum. I am not writing a dissertation for a PhD. More importantly I am not violating any copy write laws.
copyright is the word.....it's becoming obvious that you don't understand copyright violations. and that fact that you take the tone and stance that you do is suggestive of something else entirely.

people on this thread have tried to encourage you to comply yet you respond defiantly and suggest it's all an attempt to censor you.

while not being at all versed in your historical relationship with this forum...i'm beginning to see why you may meet with conflict with the admin here. it's not them........

D and LOP is very well protected from any personal liability. He has nothing to wory about.

There are violations of copywrite made in this forum by posters regularly and countless made on the internet daily. What I do does not even come close to being an activity that would attract litigation.

Host Protection. If you host a web page or forum where others post, it is a good idea to warn people not to violate copyrights or plagiarize material. Post a warning that you will remove any such material that is called to your attention, and tell people how to notify you of violations. By posting this and following up promptly on violations formally called to your attention, you protect yourself against any liability for others actions under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

D has done that.

In accordance with industry accepted best practices we ask that users limit their copy / paste of copyrighted material to the relevant portions of the article you wish to discuss (no more than 50% of the source material) provide a link back to the original article and provide your original comments / criticism in your post with the article.

If you are a legal copyright holder or a designated agent for such and you believe a post on this website falls outside the boundaries of "Fair Use" and legitimately infringes on yours or your clients copyright please contact [email protected]

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 09-12-2012 11:38 PM by dolphin.)

Redheaded Stepchild Wrote:

dolphin Wrote:
A post definately worthy of a bump.

Too bad it won't get much traction.

A small California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001 announced the development of genetically engineered corn which contained a spermicide which made the semen of men who ate it sterile. At the time Epicyte had a joint venture agreement to spread its technology with DuPont and Syngenta, two of the sponsors of the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault. Epicyte was since acquired by a North Carolina biotech company. Astonishing to learn was that Epicyte had developed its spermicidal GMO corn with research funds from the US Department of Agriculture, the same USDA which, despite worldwide opposition, continued to finance the development of Terminator technology, now held by Monsanto.

In the 1990’s the UN’s World Health Organization launched a campaign to vaccinate millions of women in Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines between the ages of 15 and 45, allegedly against Tentanus, a sickness arising from such things as stepping on a rusty nail. The vaccine was not given to men or boys, despite the fact they are presumably equally liable to step on rusty nails as women.

Because of that curious anomaly, Comite Pro Vida de Mexico, a Roman Catholic lay organization became suspicious and had vaccine samples tested. The tests revealed that the Tetanus vaccine being spread by the WHO only to women of child-bearing age contained human Chorionic Gonadotrophin or hCG, a natural hormone which when combined with a tetanus toxoid carrier stimulated antibodies rendering a woman incapable of maintaining a pregnancy. None of the women vaccinated were told.

It later came out that the Rockefeller Foundation along with the Rockefeller’s Population Council, the World Bank (home to CGIAR), and the United States’ National Institutes of Health had been involved in a 20-year-long project begun in 1972 to develop the concealed abortion vaccine with a tetanus carrier for WHO. In addition, the Government of Norway, the host to the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault, donated $41 million to develop the special abortive Tetanus vaccine. 12

Dolphin,
You work hard, and there's no denying that. You have collected a great wealth of information. You know a lot.

Your collection methods seem sloppy, I guess. You forgot to keep track of your online links and your printed sources. A general caveat in your signature isn't enough to cover your backside. Why risk lawsuits?

At any rate, you need to cite what you post if you did not write it yourself. Otherwise, it IS plagiarism...plain and simple.

The article you posted bits of above is from a piece by F. William Engdahl, titled
“Doomsday Seed Vault” in the Arctic -
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-se...he-arctic/

Google the first sentence. That snippet appears in numerous seperate and totally distinct articles from many different sources.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=sea...20&bih=974

Quote:A small California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001 announced the development of genetically engineered corn
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=sea...20&bih=974

Shall I call the Library of Congress to find out who the original holder of the copywrite of the article that my snippet first appeared in belongs to so I can then figure out which source link to include before posting it?

Are all the sources who used that snippet in their article in violation of copywrite to some source? None of them linked that snippet to a source.

You see how stupidly insane this nittpicky BS can get. You can't call it plagerism unless I am passing it off as my own work and I don't do that with anything I post. I don't even identify my own work when I post it and as far as I am concerned anyone is welcome to use anything I post and people often do repost my information. My only motive is for educational purposes.

Nevermind the issue of FAIR USE.

P.S. The DoomsDay Seed Vault article is in fact the article where I took the snippet from nearly 5 years ago. About my collection methods. Truth is I never made a concious effort to start and keep an archive. It just happened. I don't even have the archive saved on my own computer. It is kept in various places on the internet. By the time I made a concious decision to maintain back-ups of the information much of it had been compiled in haphazard manner since as it was being saved to various places I had not been even thinking of it as an archive. To this day most of what I consider the archive is in my memory. I wish I had kept an archive like you have. Much of what is in my memory has been wiped from the internet and other parts of it I don't even remember until someone brings something up that jogs my memory.

Here is an example of what I mean.
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Over-2-0...pid4125905

One of my most extensive depositories was lost less than a year ago.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 09-12-2012 10:23 PM

Redheaded Stepchild Wrote:

“Doomsday Seed Vault” in the Arctic -
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-se...he-arctic/

i just thought of a great conspiracy. what if, the reason for the seed vault in Norway is for depopulation thru gmo's. lets say: Monsanto gmo seeds takes over the world and natural organic seeds becomes rare to the point of extinction. these gmo's cause all sorts of health problems and humans die off or become infertile. when the human population is low enough where tptb are satisfied, then they can repopulate the earth with natural seeds that had been stored in their seed vault for safe keeping. i dont think this is too farfetched. i think this might actually be close to the truth. Hiding3

**Fand** lop guest User ID: 120463 09-12-2012 10:55 PM

GreenAQ Wrote:

Fand Wrote:
Gotcha! Wrote:
With the FED, Monsanto, Wall Street and so many other corrupt powers in control, we are in a world of hurt.

It was good that the occupy movement had the potential to make change without violence. But, there were too many bases to cover and their message was confusing.

It looks like the only way for real change will be with bloodshed. I fear that that will be the next step in the pursuit of real change.

I totally agree. It's sad that we can't make the world a better place without violence, but TPTB refuse to allow the peaceful to be the change we wish to see. TPTB don't want a better world for all, only a better world for them, with the people as their mindless slaves. They can only push us so far...history repeats itself, and revolution is on the horizon once TPTB have gone too far. IMO, they have already gone too far, but most Americans, at least, preffer to keep their heads buried in the sand, or pascified by the propaganda.

Maybe it's time to cut off the hand that feeds us. Start with CIA and Mossad maybe?

I've said it before, I'll say it again. All it would take to destroy TPTB is to cut off their funding. All people stop paying taxes, and the system would crumble in days. Granted, this means entering the unknown, a world of chaos, but out of chaos comes order. A chance for a new beginning, if people's intentions remain pure.

**Fand** lop guest User ID: 120463 09-12-2012 11:03 PM

Pi Wrote:

Redheaded Stepchild Wrote:
“Doomsday Seed Vault” in the Arctic -
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-se...he-arctic/

i just thought of a great conspiracy. what if, the reason for the seed vault in Norway is for depopulation thru gmo's. lets say: Monsanto gmo seeds takes over the world and natural organic seeds becomes rare to the point of extinction. these gmo's cause all sorts of health problems and humans die off or become infertile. when the human population is low enough where tptb are satisfied, then they can repopulate the earth with natural seeds that had been stored in their seed vault for safe keeping. i dont think this is too farfetched. i think this might actually be close to the truth.

That much, IMO, is obvious.