Post: #61

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

feverpitch  Wrote:

DirtyAnnie  Wrote:

what a great, well thought out intellectual response, when did you go to Yale ?

Your pathetic little putdowns won't change the truth. I hope someday just for you furthering education, people like you are put in harm's way so that you can learn the reality of it all.

Nothing to do with the study...O-T...have you been in "harms way"? Combat? Life threatening situation? Just curious because you don't seem like you have a clue

As a matter of fact I have. I don't have to prove that I'm some kind of combat hero to bring up the differences between an armed society and an unarmed society. My wife can outshoot me on a bad day and she didn't spend one day in the military. But I feel for the guy that crosses her path waving a gun in her face.

As far as not having a clue. This is just more oneupsman bullshit that people here like to throw around. You don't know me or anything about me. So save your little putdowns. Address the substance.

Post: #62

Sonofabiscuit  Wrote:

Yo_Momma  Wrote:

Im going to the movies tonight, unarmed.

I don't think mass murderers bother with poncy arthouse cinemas.

Post: #63

Astrochik  Wrote:

Quote:In light of the incident at the Dark Knight premier early this morning, it’s worth noting that we as a law abiding society could have prevented the deaths of, at last count, 13 people and the injuries sustained by scores of others.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/on...t_07202012

WINNER
and very very true

Post: #64

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

SickDaveMondo  Wrote:

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

This isn't the movies...you've clearly never been in combat or anything resembling it, this isn't hollywood and you're not rambo (or gi jane)...more then likely since you aren't properly trained you would have gotten yourself or others killed, could you get a clear line of fire in a crowded, chaotic mob that is trampling over each other to get to safety? My respsonse wasn't a "pussy" response, its called reality and I pray to God if we're in the same room and somebody comes in shooting 5.56, you're no where around me, sure a properly trained soldier, police officer, swat, someone like that can have a chance at diffusing the situation, but you john wayne types are nothing but bullet sponges

So what are you saying? Only someone as awesomely trained and smart as you should take a shot and the rest of us should just run for it? Or take a bullet to the face? f*ck that shit. I'm not military, but I am an excellent shot and if I had a firearm in that situation there would be a good chance that psycho would be f*cked. And where do I obtain this "movie theatre specific massacre emergency response training" (that's MTSMERT for you laymans)that you are clearly privy to?

SDM

SDM

At least you have an intelligent response...I'm not saying I'm "Billy Bad Ass", I think until you've been in the situation you'll never understand, IMO I think if "Joe Blow" started shooting at the perp, there would have been many more casualties in this situation...ok you get mugged on the street, yeah shoot the fuckers head off, but it goes back to situational awareness, that theatre was a death trap

You are unreasonable as all get out, if you don't understand this. Shooting a gun at a target range is a hell of a lot different than shooting at a someone lighting up a room full of people, while you are getting shot at and it is mass chaos (IN THE DARK). No f*cking way gun safety course is preparing you for one of the most dangerous situations that anyone could be in. It would be a nightmare situation for even a trained military person. For anyone to think they'd just pull out their little handgun, and smoke the dude from (maybe) up to 300 feet + away, is crazy as a loon. Unless you just happened to be sitting in a hidden corner, behind the guy, I don't see it as likely you would be alive to talk about it.

Post: #65

Here’s Your Pro-Gun Story!

The ‘Batman’ shooter, now identified as 24 year old James Egan Holmes, brought a lot of grief and terror to people last night at the opening of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado. Armed with a rifle and a pair of handguns, Holmes began shooting in the theater, killing at least 10 on site, including a six year old, and others dying later.

That wasn’t all, police found that his apartment was booby trapped as well.

At least 12 people are dead from the incident and 59 others are wounded. We are already hearing cries from the left claiming that Holmes was a Tea Party extremist conservative, while others are calling for more gun control.

Well this article here is not about news, it’s about opinion. It is my opinion that had the people within the theater been men and women who were armed as they entered, one of three things would have happened: Holmes would have thought twice about pulling a stunt like this, he would have been killed within seconds of starting his shooting spree, or he would have never got off a shot as soon as he exposed his weapons.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out. People are made vulnerable by intrusive gun control laws. The only gun control that is necessary is to be able to hit your target.

The Second Amendment is not to be messed with and yet state and federal government bureaucrats are constantly writing new laws against the rights and freedoms guaranteed by our Creator in the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment states:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Webster’s 1828 dictionary defines the term ‘infringed’ as:

Broken; violated; transgresses.
The right of people to not only keep their arms, but to also bear them are rights that are not to be violated, transgressed or broken. With every new asinine gun control law that is written this is exactly what the government does. They leave in place the language of the Second Amendment, while at the same time writing laws that violate the Second Amendment and do you know what? It costs lives.

Liberals and some who claim to be conservative support all sorts of measures regarding guns. They think making laws will keep people safe. The only problem is that law abiding citizens are the only ones keeping those laws. Criminals don’t care. Furthermore, laws don’t stop people from committing crimes. They are just words on paper that say declare where the line in the sand is and criminals are more than willing to cross that line.

Why will conservatives not stand up at this time and point to the tragedies like what happened today, or the columbine shootings which took place not far from today’s tragedy and declare, “People need firearms to protect themselves from criminals like this, because a law doesn’t stop a criminal with a gun or many guns. The police don’t stop a criminal with a gun, but those who would be victims can survive if they are left to carry a weapon to defend themselves, their loved ones, strangers and property.”

Why won’t they do it? They are spineless, weak, limp-wristed sissys who are not upholding and defending the Constitution, but rather are looking out for themselves.

While I express my condolences to the families of all those who were lost today, much of this tragedy could have been averted if government would not infringe upon the rights of the people.

By the way, if you didn’t catch it yesterday, Samuel Williams is a perfect example of what I’m talking about, and even he had to obtain a concealed weapons permit in order to do what he did.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/heres-...gun-story/

Post: #66

Rager  Wrote:

After being disoriented by the tear gas, I highly doubt one person would've been able to make a difference in the outcome

Use your loaf son, something goes bang and gas appears you pull your gun.......no?

Post: #67

feverpitch  Wrote:

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

feverpitch  Wrote:

Your pathetic little putdowns won't change the truth. I hope someday just for you furthering education, people like you are put in harm's way so that you can learn the reality of it all.

Nothing to do with the study...O-T...have you been in "harms way"? Combat? Life threatening situation? Just curious because you don't seem like you have a clue

As a matter of fact I have. I don't have to prove that I'm some kind of combat hero to bring up the differences between an armed society and an unarmed society. My wife can outshoot me on a bad day and she didn't spend one day in the military. But I feel for the guy that crosses her path waving a gun in her face.

As far as not having a clue. This is just more oneupsman bullshit that people here like to throw around. You don't know me or anything about me. So save your little putdowns. Address the substance.

I've addressed it numerous times, fallen on some deaf ears...that's ok though, no hard feelings, we are on an internet forum

Post: #68

BeelzeBob  Wrote:

To those that believe it would have been a waste of time for anyone to have a gun with them...

So, are you are basically saying that if you were sitting in that movie when the shooting started you'd pass on having a gun because it just wouldn't doing any good?

Me, I think I'll take the gun and my chances. It's dark, there's cover, he knows he has a gun, but he doesn't know you have a gun. Not saying I'm Rambo, but I'm also not an idiot.

thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncdXfUAkM...ure=colike

Post: #69

feverpitch  Wrote:

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

feverpitch  Wrote:

Your pathetic little putdowns won't change the truth. I hope someday just for you furthering education, people like you are put in harm's way so that you can learn the reality of it all.

Nothing to do with the study...O-T...have you been in "harms way"? Combat? Life threatening situation? Just curious because you don't seem like you have a clue

As a matter of fact I have. I don't have to prove that I'm some kind of combat hero to bring up the differences between an armed society and an unarmed society. My wife can outshoot me on a bad day and she didn't spend one day in the military. But I feel for the guy that crosses her path waving a gun in her face.

As far as not having a clue. This is just more oneupsman bullshit that people here like to throw around. You don't know me or anything about me. So save your little putdowns. Address the substance.

Maybe if you didn't come across as an asshole, people wouldn't be that way towards you?

You ever shoot at your wife, and then judge her response and accuracy? No? Then stfu about average people doing it. (btw I don't doubt you have been in those situations, but you cannot project that onto everyone, just because they are good at the target range.)

Post: #70

feverpitch  Wrote:

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

feverpitch  Wrote:

Your pathetic little putdowns won't change the truth. I hope someday just for you furthering education, people like you are put in harm's way so that you can learn the reality of it all.

Nothing to do with the study...O-T...have you been in "harms way"? Combat? Life threatening situation? Just curious because you don't seem like you have a clue

As a matter of fact I have. I don't have to prove that I'm some kind of combat hero to bring up the differences between an armed society and an unarmed society. My wife can outshoot me on a bad day and she didn't spend one day in the military. But I feel for the guy that crosses her path waving a gun in her face.

As far as not having a clue. This is just more oneupsman bullshit that people here like to throw around. You don't know me or anything about me. So save your little putdowns. Address the substance.

if I were already "waving the gun in her face" she would be shot long before she could draw her weapon, get a clue rambo

Post: #71

The guy was decked out in riot gear, armored up and lobbing tear gas.

Good luck with that.

Armchair vigilantes. My friend said the same dumbass thing here a couple hours ago and he admitted he probably would have ended up shooting more innocent people in that situation.

Post: #72

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

Hamsterfist  Wrote:

Unless someone has been trained and actively fired at, I would never trust some random dude/dudette in a room full of people to accurately hit the target, ESPECIALLY with a handgun. It would depend on how close you were, how many people were running around you and how dense the smoke was.

Sorry armchair rambos, unless you have real combat training, I doubt you would have saved shit and might have been a real hindrance. What if half the theater had guns? Some dude is shooting at random, in the dark. Suddenly, someone else is shooting on the other side of the theater, people are screaming, smoke is everywhere. Then another guy up front is shooting. Who is the bad guy? What is going on? You pull your gun out and start shooting at those people shooting, then other people are shooting at you.

This sounds like a genius idea......

Now, I might agree that if the gunman had known that those in the audience might be armed, he might not have done it. But we don't know the reason behind this yet, do we? So he still might have and only brought more smoke/gas.

Make sure you read what I just wrote! Someone with training and has been shot at, I would totally trust to have ended the situation. I get the feeling some of you though, are not that person. You just love carrying guns around.

+100...preach on...this is basically my point...john wayne-rambo looks good in the movies but if TSHTF its far from it

Well... sure if you want to conjure up a story of a bunch of idiots running around in circles flapping their arms and shooting at everything that moves then that would be a bad thing.

Do really think that someone packing a gun has never shot that gun, doesn't know how to handle it? Not everyone needs to be SWAT trained to be effective with a gun.

And which is it...would you rather not have the gun or would you rather have the gun. Let me guess, it's ok if you have the gun but not all the other idiots.

Post: #73

Hamsterfist  Wrote:

feverpitch  Wrote:

Ghostface Anonymous  Wrote:

Nothing to do with the study...O-T...have you been in "harms way"? Combat? Life threatening situation? Just curious because you don't seem like you have a clue

As a matter of fact I have. I don't have to prove that I'm some kind of combat hero to bring up the differences between an armed society and an unarmed society. My wife can outshoot me on a bad day and she didn't spend one day in the military. But I feel for the guy that crosses her path waving a gun in her face.

As far as not having a clue. This is just more oneupsman bullshit that people here like to throw around. You don't know me or anything about me. So save your little putdowns. Address the substance.

Maybe if you didn't come across as an asshole, people wouldn't be that way towards you?

You ever shoot at your wife, and then judge her response and accuracy? No? Then stfu about average people doing it. (btw I don't doubt you have been in those situations, but you cannot project that onto everyone, just because they are good at the target range.)

She shoots clay pidgeons and hunts dove. You ever shot clay pidgeons? As far as shutting the f*ck up, why don't you? If people think I'm an asshole, then f*ck people and f*ck you, smartest-man-in-the-room. I didn't ask for your opinion about anything concerning my wife. So f*ck you!!!!

Post: #74

Ahriman  Wrote:

The guy was decked out in riot gear, armored up and lobbing tear gas.

Good luck with that.

Armchair vigilantes. My friend said the same dumbass thing here a couple hours ago and he admitted he probably would have ended up shooting more innocent people in that situation.

Dont you know everyone with a gun thinks they are Jack f*cking Bauer.

Post: #75

The second amendment is there for a good reason. This case illustrates one aspect of that reason.

There are MANY reasons.

And if open or concealed carry were the NORM, then a person like this would necessarily re-think his plan to let loose on DEFENSELESS people since he could not count on any of the people to be defenseless!!