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**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 07-08-2012 10:55 PM

Azrael Wrote:

Elizabeth Wrote:
Elizabeth Wrote:
Pin suggestion....

5 *s

And checking on seeing if I can sign, right now.

Cant sign dear... But hopefully it will get out to any and all UK users here.

Thanks for trying - This needs to get out internationally and get people to wake up to the things going on in their own towns and cities... it is so disheartening to know that so much money can be spent on bailouts and attacking other countries - yet we cannot save heart care for kids.

It is not good enough to say that a child can be whisked off half way across the country for surgery. These centers should be close to EVERY major town or city, if not EVERY hospital.

The amount of money going down the pan on ludicrous things in the UK and internationally is against every single one of our human rights.

Yet you all scream about the US' private healthcare. It is a tragedy what is happening, but it is a PERFECT example of what happens with your free public healthcare. It costs too much and the government has total control over what will be covered, what hospitals will close.

How much do you pay for the extra insurance to cover things that your free healthcare no longer will pay for?

Yes, all the Europeans fail to mention that they also pay for extra insurance so that they can get care for things that are rejected under your healthcare.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 100800 07-09-2012 12:45 AM

The Lucky AC Wrote:

Azrael Wrote:
Elizabeth Wrote:
Cant sign dear... But hopefully it will get out to any and all UK users here.

Thanks for trying - This needs to get out internationally and get people to wake up to the things going on in their own towns and cities... it is so disheartening to know that so much money can be spent on bailouts and attacking other countries - yet we cannot save heart care for kids.

It is not good enough to say that a child can be whisked off half way across the country for surgery. These centers should be close to EVERY major town or city, if not EVERY hospital.

The amount of money going down the pan on ludicrous things in the UK and internationally is against every single one of our human rights.

Yet you all scream about the US' private healthcare. It is a tragedy what is happening, but it is a PERFECT example of what happens with your free public healthcare. It costs too much and the government has total control over what will be covered, what hospitals will close.

How much do you pay for the extra insurance to cover things that your free healthcare no longer will pay for?

Yes, all the Europeans fail to mention that they also pay for extra insurance so that they can get care for things that are rejected under your healthcare.

You show your complete ignorance on this subject. It does not cost too much for a free healthcare system if the money is spent in the correct arears. The UK spend billions on Trident nuclear subs, but fail to spend on healthcare and schools, the welfare state. Too much is spent on the banking system. Privitisation has ruined this country.

And no I don't pay extra insurance, and the UK is part of Europe but we still have some independance.

**The Other Side** lop guest User ID: 107220 07-09-2012 12:55 AM

The NHS just underspent their budget by £1.2 Billion which now goes back to the Treasury as part of a £6.7 Billion underspend across Government Departments. Let's call it 'Austerity Plus".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18744757

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 07-09-2012 02:32 AM

I'm going to sign the petition.
But I do feel that there should be more concentration of specialized medical procedures in what the labour party called the "super" hospitals.

I know its a contentious issue but I also know that with the PFI ( private finance initiative ) started under John Majors conservative government in the mid 1990's and championed by Tony Blair's gov has f*cked up the NHS for the future and sadly cuts will have to be made so that a bunch of greedy corporate bastards can swig another bottle of champaign at the expense of a few children lives.

**SickDaveMondo**

Petition signed. Children's Cardiac Surgery is something I am very familiar with, and grateful for. I'll pass the link on to everyone I know. I owe places like this big time, and without ours here my son would not exist. Good luck. Heartflowers

SDM

**SickDaveMondo**

I guess I can't sign it unless I make up some sort of fake UK address..sorry.

SDM

**RoseRed** · **RoseRed** Passion & Pain User ID: 101010 07-09-2012 08:55 AM **Posts: 1,716**

Can't sign 'cause I'm in the US, but hopefully UK users here will sign it. Hugs

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 65558 07-09-2012 11:35 AM

Azrael Wrote:

Calling all people who have a heart and would not like to see another childrens heart care center closed.

You may be able to sign this from the USA but I think this is more for UK residents - however a bit of international recognition may not go un-noticed.

The petition needs 100,000 signatures in 11 days.

Thank you...

Save Childrens Cardiac Surgery at the EMCHC at Glenfield Leicester

Responsible department: Department of Health

The JCPCT has put forward option B as the preferred configuration for the future of Paediatric Cardiac Surgery. This excludes the unit at Glenfield in Leicester. This decision was on the back of a public consultation process where the public, when asked to consider the options, chose the strongest option as scored by the review team - Option A. The review process needs to be looked at again before a final decision is made on the back of the new scoring and weighting. Everyone should be assured that all the current centres Quality is above the standard required before they are asked to comment on what is important to them - for example travel times

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/35788

Why is this location important? Are there a lot of cardiac sufferes living nearby?

Why is another location not just as good, or perhaps superior?

Just signing a petition may mean that better care somewhere else may not be availible.

Are the signatures you are asking for comming from families of those afflicted with cardiac problems, ir is it just signatures of whomever?

Is this a bid to keep the care unit in this location so the Doctors do not have to be inconvenienced by moving to a new area, or driving an extra 15 minutes in heavy traffic?

One can travel about the island in a reasonable amount of time, why is this location so special? Is the area over run with cardiac patients to the exclusion of other areas?

^^^^^^Legitimate Questions that should be adressed by OP^^^^^^^^

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 100569 07-09-2012 12:44 PM

No idea what David Fuckface Cameron is doing to the NHS, here in the Peaks the nearest hospitals are some 17-miles away and gawd help anyone whose expecting kids as it's a long road there, and in winter nearly (if not sometimes) impassible.

The only hospital in the town of Buxton is closing soon, and once that's gone the people are screwed, well and truly.

**DanfromtheHills**

Won't let me sign, so I'll give you a Bump

**Azrael**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Azrael Wrote:
Calling all people who have a heart and would not like to see another childrens heart care center closed.

You may be able to sign this from the USA but I think this is more for UK residents - however a bit of international recognition may not go un-noticed.

The petition needs 100,000 signatures in 11 days.

Thank you...

Save Childrens Cardiac Surgery at the EMCHC at Glenfield Leicester

Responsible department: Department of Health

The JCPCT has put forward option B as the preferred configuration for the future of Paediatric Cardiac Surgery. This excludes the unit at Glenfield in Leicester. This decision was on the back of a public consultation process where the public, when asked to consider the options, chose the strongest option as scored by the review team - Option A. The review process needs to be looked at again before a final decision is made on the back of the new scoring and weighting. Everyone should be assured that all the current centres Quality is above the standard required before they are asked to comment on what is important to them - for example travel times

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/35788

Why is this location important? Are there a lot of cardiac sufferes living nearby?

Why is another location not just as good, or perhaps superior?

Just signing a petition may mean that better care somewhere else may not be availible.

Are the signatures you are asking for comming from families of those afflicted with cardiac problems, ir is it just signatures of whomever?

Is this a bid to keep the care unit in this location so the Doctors do not have to be inconvenienced by moving to a new area, or driving an extra 15 minutes in heavy traffic?

One can travel about the island in a reasonable amount of time, why is this location so special? Is the area over run with cardiac patients to the exclusion of other areas?

^^^^^^Legitimate Questions that should be adressed by OP^^^^^^^^

Firstly, thank you to everyone who has signed and attempted to sign. Your time is appreciated.

To the poster of the questions.

1. The location is important because it is the only unit close by, others have already been shut or may be shut soon. The time to travel to other locations could mean life or death, and being close to family is also important which also answers (2).

3. Care should not be a post-code lottery. So care has to be facilitated in equilateral locations and I know it is not the case but should be equal in exceptional quality in those locations.

4. No - Doctor are on fantastic money for what they do, yet they piss and moan about locations in which they work, man hours and work load... try getting an appointment with a GP in this country, I agree there are not enough doctors but they are very well re-numerated for their 4 days a week.

5. Yes from families and whoever - you never know when your family may need this type of facility.

6. It is a central location to a massive area - the fact that the closest unit will then be many miles away and have the same amount of beds without the extra support to cover for closure is a disaster.

This is just about cuts to the lives of everyday citizens of the UK, austerity in the wrong place.

The banks should be repaying what they owe, the bonuses should be used to pay back to the taxpayers that bailed them out.

Look it is a shambles that a bank can be bailed out by the British public. The banks will not stop at taking your property away from you if you miss a payment. The government and councils focus budgets on developing inner city areas for big business that have offshore accounts, do not pay taxes and pay massive bonuses to the bosses without a care for the general populous...

The whole political system of this so called Great Britain needs to be ripped up and started again.

The people who live in this country are the ones that prop it up while big business and capitalism seems to be eroding everything our parents, grandparents and great grandparents worked and fought for.

IT IS time for BIG changes - Those changes should include a government run by real people and NOT the old cronies of the same old same old crap that people vote into power every four years.

Again thank you to those who have show support.

Heartflowers

**Bond, James Bond** Licensed to kill User ID: 007 07-09-2012 04:52 PM

In America, people who have health insurance often have to have public fundraisers in order to pay for such things or the child is left to die without treatment. Is it any better in the U.K.? Does your government send the poor home to die?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 104304 07-10-2012 11:15 AM

Bond, James Bond Wrote:

In America, people who have health insurance often have to have public fundraisers in order to pay for such things or the child is left to die without treatment. Is it any better in the U.K.? Does your government send the poor home to die?

No they in essence do not - but there are those 'mistakes'.

I was in the states a few years ago, I saw in many OR hospitals the notices that they cannot turn a patient away.

I did however get a $2500 bill for an ambulance call out that was absolutely unnecessary for a 2-mile journey. These guys would not let me say "No"... then a further $3000 bill for minor treatment.

You cannot tell me that this is value for money... these bills are jacked up because the insurance pays out in most cases.

Our NHS in principal is supposed to be funded in our National Insurance Tax. Billions go into this pot every year... I do not have an exact figure to hand, but it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that our NI taxes are going elsewhere and not into the NHS. (To cut a long story short)

Thanks again to all those showing their support. The petition is a long way from getting the notice in parliament as yet, all the help you can give in getting the word out will be greatly appreciated.

**Azrael**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Bond, James Bond Wrote:
In America, people who have health insurance often have to have public fundraisers in order to pay for such things or the child is left to die without treatment. Is it any better in the U.K.? Does your government send the poor home to die?

No they in essence do not - but there are those 'mistakes'.

I was in the states a few years ago, I saw in many OR hospitals the notices that they cannot turn a patient away.

I did however get a $2500 bill for an ambulance call out that was absolutely unnecessary for a 2-mile journey. These guys would not let me say "No"... then a further $3000 bill for minor treatment.

You cannot tell me that this is value for money... these bills are jacked up because the insurance pays out in most cases.

Our NHS in principal is supposed to be funded in our National Insurance Tax. Billions go into this pot every year... I do not have an exact figure to hand, but it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that our NI taxes are going elsewhere and not into the NHS. (To cut a long story short)

Thanks again to all those showing their support. The petition is a long way from getting the notice in parliament as yet, all the help you can give in getting the word out will be greatly appreciated.

Sorry forgot to sign in. Heartflowers

**Azrael**