CooterBrown  Wrote:

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~ IT IS TIME, COOTER BROWN... You have been avoiding me, and the thread, and the issue, and your responsibility to back up what you claim with -facts- long enough. You chose to spend the entire day CONTINUING TO ACCUSE OTHERS ON LOP OF MENTAL ILLNESS AND DENIAL OF _REALITY_, on THEIR threads, and to harass and bully members the entire day, rather than be a man and face THE TRUTH and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your words and actions on the issue in question, on the thread in question. You are hereby being held accountable HERE ON YOURS for your -accusation- of others as you have made it against many of us regarding this issue. When someone makes a claim here on this forum for all to see contrary to reality, YOU demand that they produce evidence to support their claim. YOU HAVE MADE A CLAIM ON THIS FORUM FOR ALL TO SEE, AS WELL AS AN ACCUSATION CONTRARY TO REALITY, AND I DEMAND THAT YOU PRODUCE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.

~ I AM 'DEBUNKING' _YOU_, COOTER BROWN. What better place to do so, than here, where you have 'debunked' so many other 'conspiracies'; what better place to TRUTHFULLY ADDRESS A 'CONSPIRACY' YOU HAVE SAID DOES NOT EXIST, AS DETAILED BELOW, FOR ALL TO SEE...

~ And so, I am adding one more 'conspiracy' to your list for you to either 'debunk', OR for you to acknowledge to -not- be a 'conspiracy', or a 'fringe belief' after all, but a FACT. THE TRUTH. _REALITY_.

~ This is a matter of TRUTH. EVIDENCE. LOGIC. _REALITY_.

~ This is -also- a matter of RESPECT. HONOR. ACCOUNTABILITY. RESPONSIBILITY. CIVILITY. COMMON HUMAN DECENCY.

~ In addressing this issue, AS YOU MUST, as -anyone- who puts forth a claim contrary to Reality MUST, you will be expected to (as YOU expect and demand others to) EXPLAIN _EXACTLY_ WHY you believe such claim to be FACTUAL despite it's contrariness to REALITY, and to cite such evidence to prove your claim. It is either that you do this, OR, you ACKNOWLEDGE/ADMIT you were incorrect, you RETRACT your statement contrary to THE TRUTH, and you APOLOGIZE for YOUR ACCUSATION THAT OTHER LOP MEMBERS WERE INCORRECT, IF IT IS TO BE FOUND THAT _YOU_ WERE INCORRECT.

~ ANY ATTEMPTS TO DISMISS THIS ISSUE, OR TO DISREGARD YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES IN THIS ISSUE, ARE UNACCEPTABLE AND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANY LONGER.

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~ THE THREAD IN QUESTION: (Originally titled "RE: WHATS YOUR THOUGHT ON MADONNAS SATANIC SUPERBOWL PERFORMANCE", later changed by the OP to the title: "this video was sent to me"):
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-this-vid...-me?page=1

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~ THE VIDEO AS PRESENTED IN THE OP OF THE THREAD IN QUESTION:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvwOYK5z8Q

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~ YOUR POSTED REPLY:
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My take on it ... is that only people who are pretty f*cked up ... think it was Satanic
(chuckle emoticon)
~ And an image (showing the Earth disintegrating violently) with the caption: "When Your Worldview is f*cked Up... ... Everything Looks f*cked Up"
~ As seen here:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-this-vid...pid2771976

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~ MY POSTED REPLY TO YOUR REPLY (As seen here):
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-this-vid...pid2772914

~ You, sir, and your opinions/observations are no longer worth considering on this matter.

~ NOT because you disagree with what I or others have concluded about the topic matter, but because of the way in which you matter-of-factly (without even the most BASIC of scrutinizing/analysis of the photographic/videographic/contextual evidence that is easily available for your researching to arrive at a conclusion) NOT ONLY dismiss even the -possibility- of the topic subject discussed both here and on the previously-pinned thread about the same (without offering a SHRED of evidence/facts contrary to the 'theory' put forward by the OP to support your position that it was NOT satanic), BUT in the same terse sentence, you disrespectfully label those who HAVE taken even just a little bit of time to look into the matter further and who have come up with a conclusion different than yours as 'f*cked up', simply because it differs from -your- conclusion, yet is more in line with what is seen in the photos and videos than your conclusion... And, which, of course, by doing so, you are dismissing everyone's sanity and everyone's ability to reason and observe/witness events rationally, while taking into account the irrationality of the said event in all of it's layers of meaning beyond the mere entertainment for the masses; AND which, of course, by your doing so as you have -chosen- to do so in a manner of complete derision you are making a judgment as to the mental state of others, from what I see now is _CLEARLY_ an immature childish and petulant perpetually negative mental state/world view, more so than almost anyone else here on LOP.

~ With that post above of yours, you have proven to me and others here beyond a shadow of a doubt how you are FAR MORE LACKING in critical thinking skills than almost anyone else that comes to this forum to discuss/debate such things, and even more so than those 'doomers' you constantly decry as crazy; you are FAR MORE LACKING in critical thinking skills than even those who unquestioningly go about their days never researching the veracity of the t.v. news they accept at face value for themselves, to see if what they are being told is true or not. I have just lost what little respect I had for you, but I'm sure that means nothing to you, whoever you are, whatever the reasons you have come to embed yourself among those who come to LOP to discuss/debate both current events and theories/conspiracies like an ever-sucking parasitic tick. It's become clear, that the ONLY opinion that matters as to the appropriateness of your behavior among others as well as the acumen of your assessments on ANY matter is yours, despite multitudinous indications to the contrary. You have a bigger self-esteem issue than ANYONE I have ever met, and your methods as well as _YOUR_ madness, your negativity as well as _YOUR_ neuroses, is unmistakable now, and obvious for all of us to see, once and for all. You truly have outed yourself as irrelevant and irrational to the point of sociopathy; because you see, it's not enough for you to be convinced of your 'mental superiority' or your skills of 'objective observation' (which I assure you, you have _NEITHER_ at this point, if you don't even bother to dissect the 'theory' that the thread's subject matter was a 'satanic' ritual, point by point...) but you also feel the need to force your self-aggrandizing view of yourself and your close-minded world view upon others at every single opportunity, and in the most blatantly disassociative ways, ignoring reality FAR MORE than _ANY_ 'doomer' here does. Are you REALLY interested in the TRUTH, or are you fully invested now in MISTRUTHS and DISINFORMATION...??

~ Are you REALLY a logical thinker/observer, or are you an illogical denier of what is TRUTH?? Do you have the brilliance that it takes for your brain to accept today as TRUTH what you yesterday believed to be false...??

~ You are not an intellectual, even in the most liberal allowance of the term; to be considered to be such, you must use your INTELLECT. I have seen less and less of that intellect that I used to respect to some degree, replaced more and more by the behavior of a boorish child whose only way to 'win' the schoolyard recess games you attach more importance to than I think even -you- realize, is to cajole and to continually caustically criticize modes of thinking/opinion than differ from yours to the point where you convince -yourself- and yourself _ONLY_ as to the correctness that you seem to need even more so than those who don't CARE if they're right or wrong. YOU are the 'f*cked up' one, Cooter Brown, for believing that it is sooooo important that you are right, and that everyone else is wrong. You suffer from a SERIOUS case of self-delusion as to your ability to fairly and methodically and thus TRUTHFULLY evaluate/research/process/come to a TRUTHFUL conclusion about ANY data which ANYONE can clearly see to be RELEVANT TO THE 'CASE', and it is clear as well that in your treatment of others in this community you are in the grips of advanced pathological narcissism. What happened to you??

~ You spend all of your time here in debunking things and in disrespecting those who are curious and open-minded about the world around them on SOOOO many levels; why don't you take even 1/100th of the time that others have taken to point out what is glaringly obvious to those who _HAVE_ done research into devices and symbology that occultists and satanists use in their rituals and rites. You arrogantly and ignorantly deny even the EXISTENCE of the evidence right before your eyes, and instead of taking a little time to look at the symbolism as well as the historical and current context of the event of the thread topic, and you resort to your usual condescendtard smilie, with a act of utter disrespect aimed at all who -have- looked more deeply into the matter. MORE than even the cowardly and craven action of calling us all 'f*cked up' because our opinion/conclusion differs from yours, what is MOST DISTURBING is your flippant and absolute abrogation of your -responsibility- to THE TRUTH, and the step-by-step process involved by even the most novice of investigators in arriving at WHATEVER that TRUTH may be.

~ I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW SOME DECENCY AND SOME _HONESTY_, COOTER, AND EITHER APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING EVERYONE WHO MERELY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOURS 'f*cked UP' FOR THAT DIFFERENT OPINION, _OR_, YOU TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO EXPLAIN TO US _HOW_ THE THREAD SUBJECT WAS _NOT_ 'SATANIC'. YOUR OPINION IS THAT WE ARE WRONG: YOU CAN SURELY ENGAGE IN THE BASIC LOGIC OF DEBATE/DISCUSSION/CONVERSATION (or CAN'T YOU??) AND _PROVE_ THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TO BE UNFOUNDED AND _TELL_ US _WHY_ IT WAS NOT 'SATANIC', _WHAT_ ABOUT THE SYMBOLS AND THE PERFORMANCE WAS NOT 'SATANIC', AND _HOW_ THE CONCLUSION OF THE PERFORMANCE BEING 'SATANIC' IS ERRONEOUS, STEP-BY-STEP, POINT-BY-POINT, EXHIBIT-BY-EXHIBIT.

~ Consider it your court-case Cooter Brown, if you will, to prove that you are worthy of your reputation as someone who thinks logically and clearly, because I'm accusing you, PERSONALLY, of having somehow degenerated into being _NOTHING_MORE_THAN_ a witless uncouth bully and an intellectual inferior whose mind is no longer capable of clear reasoning capability and the simplest and most basic of logical and critical thinking and who, having your ignorance revealed for all to see in front of your peers, you can then only resort to infantile tactics of ego-protection, because you have been discovered to be nothing more than the LEAST among us, those whom you sadly thought yourself to be the greatest among, and PROVE YOUR ARGUMENT CORRECT and OURS WRONG, or you WILL BE correctly identified and treated as the LOWEST OF THE LOW of ALL of our minds from this point on. Unless you're not capable of it, or scared of the consequences of the unveiling of your fears of your being less than what you 'CLAIM' to be??

~ The conspiracy: Cooter Brown is not a very intelligent man, and incapable of simple deduction. PROVE ME WRONG. PROVE YOUR ARGUMENT, OR RETRACT IT AND APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING BASED YOUR DISRESPECT OF OTHERS ON THE PREMISE THAT THEY ARE WRONG IN THEIR THINKING OF THIS EVENT BEING 'SATANIC'. Put up or shut up, sir. Can you handle it??

~ If you're so intelligent, it should only be a matter of a few key points to prove that have the winning and accurate argument, correct?? It shouldn't take you long at all, -if- the correctness of your opinion/position as True IS correct, and if your dismissing and detracting of our opinion/position as false is correct... IF your 'version' of REALITY is TRUE and is justified and logical, is should be easy to prove to us ONCE AND FOR ALL, how you are RIGHT, and we are WRONG.

~ I'll wait for your reply. We'll ALL wait for your reply...

~ AGAIN: (and in black.n.white):

~ WHY is the Madonna half-time show _NOT_ 'satanic', as has been claimed by others?? WHAT about the symbology or the use of symbols in said performance was _NOT_ 'satanic', as far as you can tell?? HOW is the conclusion of others that said performance wrong??



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~ Later on that thread, in response to a non-logged in 'Guest' (#77701, with the name 'cooter nli'):
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-this-vid...pid2778466

~ ^Unacceptable^. And aversive, right down to the nli, Cooter (which of course somewhat allows your above post to remain 'off the record' as far as your 'history' goes here within this forum community).

~ The OP title stated/queried: "WHATS YOUR THOUGHT ON MADONNAS SATANIC SUPERBOWL PERFORMANCE"

~ Your response was: "My take on it ... is that only people who are pretty f*cked up ... think it was Satanic"

~ By using logic, I am inferring therefore (and correctly so) that you believe that your 'take on it' is not '...f*cked up' (competent/sane/logical/factual/true), then, while everyone else who analyzed/submitted photographic and videographic 'evidence' of the event and its participants and the particulars thereof and came to the logical conclusion that they did were '...f*cked up' (incompetent/insane/unsane/non-sane/illogical/non-factual/false) because they came to the logical conclusion that they did (that differed from yours).

~ Once again, for the sake of THE TRUTH: You, by your comment (above), stated that members at LOP (whose conclusion differed than yours on the subject), through reviewing the available facts and 'evidence' of the event, as well as by their doing ancillary research into the symbology and meaning of such (and the belief system/beliefs/views espoused by members/believers of that 'religion'), as well as by their doing ancillary research into the belief systems/past history/views of the artist(s) in question, by their step-by-step analyzing of those facts and that evidence and arriving at the informed conclusion that they did, were quote: "pretty f*cked up... (to) think it was (s)Satanic" (chuckle smilie).

~ AGAIN: In the context of your (incorrectly in this instance) 'diagnosing' the many members of LOP who 'thought it was 'satanic' (i.e., exhibited 'satanic' imagery/symbology, which, as a religion/belief system incorporates such 'devices'/meanings within their 'religious' rituals/rites for the purposes that they incorporate such 'devices'/meanings) to be 'pretty f*cked up' for PROVING (BY USING PHOTOS/VIDEOS) THAT SUCH IMAGERY/SYMBOLOGY/'DEVICES'/MEANINGS _WERE_IN_FACT_ PRESENT/DISPLAYED/EMPLOYED AT SAID EVENT.

~ THUS: YOU, BY YOUR STATEMENT, CALLED ('CATAGORIZED') EVERY LOP MEMBER WHO WITNESSED WITH THEIR OWN EYES THE EVENT IN QUESTION AS WELL AS ANALYZED THE PHOTOS/STILL FRAMES/VIDEOS AFTER THE FACT WHAT OCCURRED WITH AFOREMENTIONED PHYSICAL _EVIDENCE_ THAT _PROVED_ THAT WHAT THEY SAW WAS WHAT THEY SAW 'PRETTY f*cked UP', BASICALLY, FOR SEEING WHAT IS IRREFUTABLE, UNDENIABLE, AND WAS CAPTURED BY PHOTO AND VIDEO AND WITNESSED BOTH FIRST-HAND IN PERSON BY THOUSANDS AS WELL AS BY TELEVISION AND INTERNET TRANSMISSION BY MILLIONS AND THUS INCONTROVERTIBLE IN ITS HAVING BEEN WITNESSED.

~ AGAIN: EITHER 'DEBUNK' THE FACT THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE LOP MEMBERS THAT YOU REFERRED TO WITH YOUR DISRESPECTFUL COMMENT) SAW WHAT THEY/WE SAW ('SATANIC' SYMBOLOGY) _OR_ APOLOGIZE _PUBLICLY_ (BY CREATING A THREAD ADMITTING/MAKING REPARATIONS) FOR YOUR _INCORRECT_ (BASED PURELY ON SUBJECTIVE PERSONAL OPINION/VIEW POINT AND _NOT_ PURELY FACTUAL EVIDENCE) ASSESSMENT OF THE _TRUTH_ AND THE PROCESS OF LOGICAL DEDUCTION THAT THE INCONTROVERTIBLE _TRUTH_ (THAT 'SATANIC SYMBOLOGY' WAS DISPLAYED) WAS ARRIVED AT BY MANY MEMBERS OF THE LUNATIC OUTPOST COMMUNITY, AND FOR CALLING THEM 'f*cked UP' (MENTALLY INCOMPETENT/INSANE/UNSANE/NON-SANE) FOR ARRIVING AT THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH (THAT 'SATANIC SYMBOLOGY' WAS DISPLAYED AT SAID EVENT).

~ THOSE ARE YOUR TWO OPTIONS, SIR: EITHER PROVE THE TRUTH (NOT MERELY YOUR SUBJECTIVE PERSONAL OPINION) TO BE AS _YOU_ SEE IT BY DISPROVING THE TRUTH AS MANY LOP MEMBERS _CLEARLY_ AND _UNDENIABLY_ PROVED IT TO EXIST BEYOND QUESTION, _OR_ ADMIT THAT YOUR STATEMENT OF THEY/WE BEING 'PRETTY f*cked UP' WAS YOUR SUBJECTIVE PERSONAL OPINION (AND NOT BASED ON THE AFOREMENTIONED EVIDENCE) REGARDING THE 'MENTAL COMPETENCY' OF YOUR FELLOW LOP MEMBERS (AS IT DIFFERED FROM YOUR OPINION/VIEWPOINT) AND THAT AS SUCH WAS _INCORRECT_ (AS IT INFERRED THAT AFOREMENTIONED EVIDENCE/FACTS WERE FALSE, WHEN THEY IN FACT, WERE _TRUE_) AND THAT YOU REALIZE AS SUCH THAT IT WAS WRONG, DISRESPECTFUL, AND WITHOUT MERIT, REGARDING THE _TRUTH_ OF THIS PARTICULAR EVENT AND SAID LOP MEMBERS BEING ACCURATE IN THEIR LOGICAL VERIFICATION OF WHAT IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

~ SUMMARIZED/CLARIFIED: 'DEBUNK', OR RETRACT YOUR INCORRECT AND DISRESPECTFUL COMMENT AND PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE.

~ PICK ONE.

~ I will await your response... and for the sake of THE _TRUTH_, for the sake of _HONOR_, for the sake of _INTELLIGENCE_, and for the sake of YOUR REPUTATION (as well as your ability to tell the TRUTH/acknowledge the TRUTH, and your HONOR as a Human Being as well as a MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, and your _INTELLIGENCE_ as a rational, that is to say non-'f*cked up', person with a sane mind capable of objective critical thinking and logical functioning, and your REPUTATION AS A MEMBER OF THE LUNATIC OUTPOST FORUM COMMUNITY, and the Respect that is engendered by each of us towards one another/each other here...), I encourage you to thoughtfully consider the implications of the decision you are now faced with, not only in regards to how WE see/know you to be, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY: IN REGARDS TO YOUR _OWN_ SANITY, AND YOUR _OWN_ VIRTUE OF CHARACTER, AND HOW _YOU_ SEE YOURSELF.

~ You have -also- made this an issue of 'mental health', as well an issue of LOGICALLY arriving at THE TRUTH (mental health is in great part how ANY of us perceives/acts upon/lives based upon THE TRUTH when it is PROVEN TO BE THE TRUTH)... and so, for YOUR sake, I hope that you take the importance of this issue COMPLETELY INTO CONSIDERATION, and that you ACT ACCORDINGLY.

~ To do anything less is, in my humble personal opinion, not only the modality of the mentally 'f*cked up' (incompetent/insane/unsane/non-sane/illogical/non-factual/false), but is also quite frankly an exhibition of the basest and least civilized of Human behavior.

~ I, AND ALL OF LOP, AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE...



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~ I believe I have spoken enough, and that I have made myself -quite- clear. It is -your- turn to talk now.


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We have one individual on this forum that uses every opportunity to hustle the idea of "chem-trails"; another individual always seems to post about how "we never went to the Moon".

Blood red, aren't those individuals "shills" as well?

Plenty of info on chem-trails out there that you refuse to look at.

Some interesting analysis of the moon landing that makes you question the actuality of it as well.

Still promoting the official party line 9/11 theory?

Anonymous LoP Guest  Wrote:

Plenty of info on chem-trails out there that you refuse to look at.

I doubt if there's much information about "chem-trails" that I haven't looked at. As a matter of fact, I don't see anyone here talking about triple point of water, condensation parameters, enthalpic reactions, and anything that you learn in a basic meteorology class. Plenty of information on science out there that most of the "chem-trail" devotees resuse to look at, too.

I wonder why that is? Is it that the answers don't match their agenda?

Anonymous LoP Guest  Wrote:

Some interesting analysis of the moon landing that makes you question the actuality of it as well.

All of the arguments against landing on the Moon (at least the ones that I'm familiar with) seem to be based on people that don't understand photography, the effects of radiation, and basic celestial mechanics. Maybe you have some interesting analyses that you'd like to share with the rest of us.

Anonymous LoP Guest  Wrote:

Still promoting the official party line 9/11 theory?

I'm not sure what the offical party line is; all I'm doing is talking like what I am, an old engineer who has been involved in aircraft for the past 30 years.

What's your "party line"? And by the way, what was that they said in the "Shill Guide" about anonymous shills that pop out and then disappear? Oh, yeah, here:

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum such as LOP, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.