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**Galaxy**

Terminally ill children are subjected to needless suffering amounting to “torture” by parents who refuse to allow the withdrawal of treatment because of their religious beliefs, leading doctors have claimed.

Parents' belief in miracles are 'torturing' sick children, doctors warn Photo: ALAMY
By John Bingham, Religious Affairs Editor10:00PM BST 13 Aug 20121614 Comments
Parents who trust in divine intervention, even after doctors say there is no hope of survival, are putting their children through aggressive but futile treatments, they said.
In an article published in the Journal of Medical Ethics they warned that families with deeply held hopes for a “miraculous” recovery were increasingly being allowed to “stonewall” medical opinion.
The doctors, from Great Ormond Street Hospital, called for an overhaul of the legal system to reduce the weight given to parents’ religious beliefs in such cases.
Critics have accused the authors of attempting to “impose” secular values on society, irrespective of religious affiliations.
Unusually, the warning is contained in an article jointly written by specialist doctors from the neonatal intensive care unit at Great Ormond Street in London — Dr Joe Brierley and Dr Andy Petros — and the hospital’s main chaplain, the Rev Jim Linthicum.

The authors disclosed that 70 per cent of deaths at the unit followed the withdrawal of medical care.
In 186 of the 203 cases, parents and doctors agreed to stop aggressive but ultimately unsuccessful treatment.
In 17 cases, the parents insisted on continuing treatment even after lengthy discussions about the probability that it would be unsuccessful. In 11 of these, religion was the main factor influencing their decision. Some of the cases were eventually resolved after religious leaders persuaded the parents to allow the child to die, and one case went to the High Court.
In the remaining cases, no agreement could be reached because the parents were awaiting a “miracle”, the authors said.
“While it is vital to support families in such difficult times, we are increasingly concerned that deeply held belief in religion can lead to children being potentially subjected to burdensome care in expectation of 'miraculous’ intervention,” the authors warned. “In many cases, the children about whom the decisions are being made are too young to subscribe to the religious beliefs held by their parents, yet we continue to respect the parents’ beliefs.”

more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/health...-warn.html

**SexualChocolate**

should they be drowned in a rice patty like the Chinese do?
Or maybe put to sleep like an injured dog?
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here. You post hateful anti religious shit day after day. don't you ever tire?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114093 08-14-2012 03:13 PM

Translation: We will take your kids if you do anything other than the generally accepted practices.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 106826 08-14-2012 03:14 PM

SexualChocolate Wrote:

You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here.

Pot/kettle

**SexualChocolate**

LoP Guest Wrote:

SexualChocolate Wrote:
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here.

Pot/kettle

I usually only reply. not post.

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

SexualChocolate Wrote:

should they be drowned in a rice patty like the Chinese do?
Or maybe put to sleep like an injured dog?
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here. You post hateful anti religious shit day after day. don't you ever tire?

OP is a hypocrite because he bitches about "these types of threads" but then post one himself. there is nothing worse than a hypocrite period.

**Galaxy**

SexualChocolate Wrote:

should they be drowned in a rice patty like the Chinese do?
Or maybe put to sleep like an injured dog?
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here. You post hateful anti religious shit day after day. don't you ever tire?

As explained in another thread, i am in the middle of it, but you force me to choose the atheist side to prevent shit from both sides.

**SexualChocolate**

Galaxy Wrote:

SexualChocolate Wrote:
should they be drowned in a rice patty like the Chinese do?
Or maybe put to sleep like an injured dog?
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here. You post hateful anti religious shit day after day. don't you ever tire?

As explained in another thread, i am in the middle of it, but you force me to choose the atheist side to prevent shit from both sides.

I force you to do nothing. you make the choice. God after all gave you free will. Heartflowers

**Hamsterfist**

Does this article prove Christians are actually afraid of death? Or they are sickos who want to torture their dying children? Or are they parents just desperate to keep their kids alive???

**ILLVMINATVS PRIMVS**

SexualChocolate Wrote:

should they be drowned in a rice patty like the Chinese do?
Or maybe put to sleep like an injured dog?
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here. You post hateful anti religious shit day after day. don't you ever tire?

The Chinese drown their children?

Pics, or it doesn't happen.

**entropy** · (This post was last modified: 08-14-2012 04:36 PM by entropy.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

SexualChocolate Wrote:
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here.

Pot/kettle

The parents should be charged with abuse. So should these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkXvWn1m7Q

**Wolf Pup**

It is one thing to pray for recovery if you believe in God. Those that think God will heal them with a miracle and no medical treatment are just plain stupid. If it is Gods will to heal the child then the tools and substances that have been discovered to heal children would be part of the plan no?

I am no longer a believer in God, but for petes sake! Those people should understand that "God" created everything on Earth including all materials and substances to create healing!

**czygyny**

All hail the powerful State!

Let's let the State dictate to us what we do to our bodies and the bodies of our children.

Not only tell us what to eat, not only provide the questionably nutritious foods to eat, but also demand questionable vaccines, allow toxic chemicals and radiation to be present in dangerous levels in our environment...and dictate, nay, demand that everyone who has become ill from all these things MUST enter their nightmare called the medical institution hosted by big pharma.

Let's let them dissect and redirect, remove and resect, radiate and inject the chemicals, experiment and explore for the hell of it.

Let's let them remove children from loving homes and expose them to mind-altering and personality-killing psychoactive drugs at the whim of experts who have a vested interest in the drugs they prescribe.

Yes, let's let them circumvent the fact that we are born to die, some earlier than later, lets allow them to make what short life they have into some sort of medical nightmare whether they want to or not. Heavens we can't just provide pain control and hospice support. No.

Bald heads, big scars, lifetime dependency on chemicals, pain and suffering for life...

...'cause we know that the STATE knows what is best for us, our bodies and our children's bodies. Right? Right?

**clot** lop guest User ID: 39965 08-14-2012 05:23 PM

they murdered my mother with their f*ckin chemotherapy.damn them to hell.

**Doodie** · **Doodie** shill User ID: 113507 08-14-2012 05:25 PM **Posts: 8,053**

SexualChocolate Wrote:

Galaxy Wrote:
SexualChocolate Wrote:
should they be drowned in a rice patty like the Chinese do?
Or maybe put to sleep like an injured dog?
You are perhaps the most f*cked up poster here. You post hateful anti religious shit day after day. don't you ever tire?

As explained in another thread, i am in the middle of it, but you force me to choose the atheist side to prevent shit from both sides.

I force you to do nothing. you make the choice. God after all gave you free will.

God gave you the 10 commandments

life gives you freewill

just sayin

chuckle