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The first time Toronto police Det. Scott Aikman deceived the court, a judge denounced his “misleading” testimony and threw out a cocaine charge against a man.

The second time, Det. Aikman’s story explaining why he and his partner searched a minivan led to the acquittal of four suspects accused of masterminding an international credit-card data-theft.

Aikman “either fabricated or concealed evidence” to justify the van search, the judge said. The four suspects, charged with a total of 321 offences, walked free.

Was Aikman disciplined for his conduct in court?

“No. Of course not,” said Aikman, explaining to the Star that he had done nothing wrong.

A coast-to-coast Toronto Star investigation found more than 120 police officers have been accused by judges of outright lying, misleading the court or fabricating evidence since 2005. Many of the officers have gone unpunished.

Police who lie: How officers thwart justice with false testimony

There is so little oversight of the problem that in some jurisdictions police forces did not know judges found that their officers misled the court. Internal investigations into four cases — three in Peel, one in York — were started after the Star brought the courtroom misconduct to the departments’ attention.

Compounding the lack of oversight is a lack of accountability to the public.

Big-city forces, including Montreal and Calgary, refused to say whether their officers were disciplined.

At the Toronto Police Service, where at least 34 officers have come under fire from judges for being untruthful in court in recent years, there is little indication Chief Bill Blair considers the judges’ findings a call for change.

The chair of the civilian oversight Toronto Police Services Board, Alok Mukherjee, told the Star he is troubled by this “serious issue” and wants something done to stop the lies from eroding the public’s trust in his police force.

“If we say a police officer takes an oath of office to uphold the law, if we require that they must be of good moral character and integrity …then someone who is found to have lied or falsified their notes, can they be said to be upholding their oath? Can they be said to have demonstrated integrity?” he said. “My simple, non-legal mind says: That’s misconduct.”

The Star sent letters to police forces across the country asking how they responded to the judicial findings questioning their officers’ credibility. The reactions ranged from receptive to unaware to dismissive.

Source: And all these people say Canada is better than America doomed

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/artic...um=twitter

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 93500 04-29-2012 06:08 PM

Bad area, so corrupt, the storys that come out of Ontario on these subjects are horrific.

**WTF OVER?**

Why would police departments discipline officers for doing what they were trained to do? Their superiors expect them to lie in court. Why would they punish them for doing this?

~~HarryCanyon~~ · **~~HarryCanyon~~** Banned User ID: 92408 04-29-2012 06:17 PM **Posts: 626**

Piglets will pig.

**Bean There** lop guest User ID: 91223 04-29-2012 06:22 PM

Glad to live in the USA where police can lie consistently. Gotta keep those conviction and prison stats up, don't cha know.
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What can the police lie about while conducting an interrogation?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read...errogation
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Evidence Can Be Fabricated to Obtain Information

From : Use of Lies to Obtain the Truth: The Police Can Lie to You

http://www.criminalattorney.com/news/pol...ie-to-you/
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Supreme Court To Weigh Case Of False Testimony

Published: November 01, 2011

by Nina Totenberg

The U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments Tuesday in a case that sounds more like a John Grisham novel than a Supreme Court case.

The issue is whether police investigators have total immunity from being sued for giving false testimony before a grand jury. The case has all the elements of a spooky saga, involving power, influence and money — all used to silence the critics of Phoebe Putney Memorial Hospital, the largest hospital in Albany, Ga.

http://m.npr.org/story/141879836

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 91377 04-29-2012 06:45 PM

WTF OVER? Wrote:

Why would police departments discipline officers for doing what they were trained to do? Their superiors expect them to lie in court. Why would they punish them for doing this?

Good point. One that merits futher study and gov action - as the implications of this institutionalized criminal behaviour undermines
the very foundation of a society who's legal system is based on constitutional law.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 93513 04-29-2012 07:22 PM

Police in the UK are allowed legally to lie to you!. Yes you read that correctly, and no i am not winding you up, they are ALLIOWED to do it. You on the other hand are not allowed to lie.

I asked a relation who is a policeman if he has ever been asked if he is acting on his oath, guess what the answer was?

That is correct, NEVER been asked.

Sad state of affairs here in the uk.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-29-2012 07:23 PM

catholics or athiests.. lol Hiding