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Mike Wrote:

Ahriman Wrote:
What if you had to get certified to own a gun? Actually go to classes. Learn the proper handling of a weapon. Learn how to react in real life situations where firearms are present or being used illegally.... take a test after you've learned all the necessary skills.

We don't just let people drive cars do we? Hell no. Even though...

But you see what I'm saying. None of this being able to just buy a weapon shit...

Nothing worse than a dumbass packing....

Unfortunately I have determined America to not be a good fit for you, perhaps a European community would be more fitting for your piss all over the 2A views.

Come on Mike what was seriously wrong with that idea? How many stupid people do you know that have a gun and don't know how to handle it nor have actually shot more than half a box of ammo with it, never cleaned it or used it after the first week?

It would make for smarter LEGAL gun owners, can't do anything about the illegal gun owners.

**Honest Abe**

Smilin Eyes Wrote:

Ahriman Wrote:
What if you had to get certified to own a gun? Actually go to classes. Learn the proper handling of a weapon. Learn how to react in real life situations where firearms are present or being used illegally.... take a test after you've learned all the necessary skills.

We don't just let people drive cars do we? Hell no. Even though...

But you see what I'm saying. None of this being able to just buy a weapon shit...

Nothing worse than a dumbass packing....

I like this idea. I respect weapons and we have taught our sons how to shoot a BB gun and a pellet gun. It irritates me when people I know have bought guns because they want to be cool but don't ever actually practice firing that weapon nor learn how to care for the weapon. To actually go through training on how to use a gun properly would be a fantastic idea.

Road to hell paved with good intentions. They would make the test so that no one passes. Something like hitting bulls eye at a 1000 yards with a shotgun. Leave guns alone.

**Liberalism is Dead** lop guest User ID: 101624 07-24-2012 02:17 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYCvSntOI5s

http://www.mediasanctuary.org Chris Hedges, whose book "Death of the Liberal Class" (Perseus) came out the day of this presentation, is also the best-selling author of "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." Hedges, whose column is published Mondays on Truthdig, spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than 50 countries and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, for which he was a foreign correspondent for 15 years. Produced by The Sanctuary for Independent Media in Troy NY, this event was co-sponsored by Bethlehem Neighbors for Peace.

**Ahriman**

Smilin Eyes Wrote:

Ahriman Wrote:
What if you had to get certified to own a gun? Actually go to classes. Learn the proper handling of a weapon. Learn how to react in real life situations where firearms are present or being used illegally.... take a test after you've learned all the necessary skills.

We don't just let people drive cars do we? Hell no. Even though...

But you see what I'm saying. None of this being able to just buy a weapon shit...

Nothing worse than a dumbass packing....

I like this idea. I respect weapons and we have taught our sons how to shoot a BB gun and a pellet gun. It irritates me when people I know have bought guns because they want to be cool but don't ever actually practice firing that weapon nor learn how to care for the weapon. To actually go through training on how to use a gun properly would be a fantastic idea.

IMO it boils down to you can accidentally kill someone or yourself with a firearm, whether it be a pistol or a shotgun or an assault rifle. You need to have knowledge and a healthy respect.

**Smilin' Eyes**

Skeletor Wrote:

Smilin Eyes Wrote:
Ahriman Wrote:
What if you had to get certified to own a gun? Actually go to classes. Learn the proper handling of a weapon. Learn how to react in real life situations where firearms are present or being used illegally.... take a test after you've learned all the necessary skills.

We don't just let people drive cars do we? Hell no. Even though...

But you see what I'm saying. None of this being able to just buy a weapon shit...

Nothing worse than a dumbass packing....

I like this idea. I respect weapons and we have taught our sons how to shoot a BB gun and a pellet gun. It irritates me when people I know have bought guns because they want to be cool but don't ever actually practice firing that weapon nor learn how to care for the weapon. To actually go through training on how to use a gun properly would be a fantastic idea.

Road to hell paved with good intentions. They would make the test so that no one passes. Something like hitting bulls eye at a 1000 yards with a shotgun. Leave guns alone.

OK, now that COULD be a valid point. It just pisses me off when I hear of stupid people being stupid about guns. Oh well, you're right about good intentions.

**Mike** lop guest User ID: 105339 07-24-2012 02:25 AM

Smilin Eyes Wrote:

Mike Wrote:
Ahriman Wrote:
What if you had to get certified to own a gun? Actually go to classes. Learn the proper handling of a weapon. Learn how to react in real life situations where firearms are present or being used illegally.... take a test after you've learned all the necessary skills.

We don't just let people drive cars do we? Hell no. Even though...

But you see what I'm saying. None of this being able to just buy a weapon shit...

Nothing worse than a dumbass packing....

Unfortunately I have determined America to not be a good fit for you, perhaps a European community would be more fitting for your piss all over the 2A views.

Come on Mike what was seriously wrong with that idea? How many stupid people do you know that have a gun and don't know how to handle it nor have actually shot more than half a box of ammo with it, never cleaned it or used it after the first week?

It would make for smarter LEGAL gun owners, can't do anything about the illegal gun owners.

People anti and pro gun alike would benefit from a read through of the book "Unintended Consequences" and a lot of folks would probably have different views. Look at our history, laws come about for a perceived need often after they reach a point where they are largely welcomed by the public. Those laws don't just remain as they are, those laws progressively get more and more restrictive. Today it's a test to prove you know how to handle a gun... tomorrow it's a test to prove you know how to handle a gun AND perhaps you have to belong to a sporting club and only use it for a specific need like many of our European friends. No thank you.

Here are a few things that first come to mind.

You can test all you like - the only thing you achieve is limiting the number of people who will own a gun. You will be limiting very few because they are too ignorant to pass a test and limiting MANY more who simply don't desire to invest time and what you and I both know would be a fee (read TAX) to exercise their rights - a right they may have opted to exercise if there was no additional fees or time involved. Stupid people pass tests ALL the time - look how many ignorant high school or college graduates are out there. I'm surrounded by ignorant people in my profession (information technology) which happens to involve industry certifications as one of the main methods a professionals skill levels are assessed. There are a LOT of down right idiotic people that bounce from job to job and never move up the ladder until they are fired or basically forced into quitting because they use a "brain dump" to pass an exam without actually really understanding the material. Requiring a test of any sorts would by all means strictly be a tax and achieve very little in actually stopping these so called dumb asses from owning a gun - they'll memorize some bullshit and pass an exam and proceed to own a gun anyways and still have little knowledge retained.

**Ahriman**

Smilin Eyes Wrote:

Skeletor Wrote:
Smilin Eyes Wrote:
I like this idea. I respect weapons and we have taught our sons how to shoot a BB gun and a pellet gun. It irritates me when people I know have bought guns because they want to be cool but don't ever actually practice firing that weapon nor learn how to care for the weapon. To actually go through training on how to use a gun properly would be a fantastic idea.

Road to hell paved with good intentions. They would make the test so that no one passes. Something like hitting bulls eye at a 1000 yards with a shotgun. Leave guns alone.

OK, now that COULD be a valid point. It just pisses me off when I hear of stupid people being stupid about guns. Oh well, you're right about good intentions.

Well you would be at the gun range to get certified where they would teach you how to shoot proper and be able to hit a target.

chuckle

**Mike** lop guest User ID: 105339 07-24-2012 02:29 AM

Ahriman Wrote:

Smilin Eyes Wrote:
Skeletor Wrote:
Road to hell paved with good intentions. They would make the test so that no one passes. Something like hitting bulls eye at a 1000 yards with a shotgun. Leave guns alone.

OK, now that COULD be a valid point. It just pisses me off when I hear of stupid people being stupid about guns. Oh well, you're right about good intentions.

Well you would be at the gun range to get certified where they would teach you how to shoot proper and be able to hit a target.

So would you require continual re-certification (aka a TAX) once certified (aka TAXED) then? You would probably want to, because shooting is a skill that requires upkeep to maintain your skill.

Are you a gun owner out of curiosity?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 110272 07-24-2012 02:31 AM

just replace liberalism with hate and you'll know who wrote this.

**DanceChillGroove**

Smilin Eyes Wrote:

Ahriman Wrote:
What if you had to get certified to own a gun? Actually go to classes. Learn the proper handling of a weapon. Learn how to react in real life situations where firearms are present or being used illegally.... take a test after you've learned all the necessary skills.

We don't just let people drive cars do we? Hell no. Even though...

But you see what I'm saying. None of this being able to just buy a weapon shit...

Nothing worse than a dumbass packing....

I like this idea. I respect weapons and we have taught our sons how to shoot a BB gun and a pellet gun. It irritates me when people I know have bought guns because they want to be cool but don't ever actually practice firing that weapon nor learn how to care for the weapon. To actually go through training on how to use a gun properly would be a fantastic idea.

None of those measures would have stopped Holmes.
Or Laughner, or Dylan/Klebold, or Major Hasani.

**flintstone** lop guest User ID: 95037 07-24-2012 02:35 AM

so how much you sellin them rocket launchers for hamsterfist?

**Smilin' Eyes**

Mike Wrote:

People anti and pro gun alike would benefit from a read through of the book "Unintended Consequences" and a lot of folks would probably have different views. Look at our history, laws come about for a perceived need often after they reach a point where they are largely welcomed by the public. Those laws don't just remain as they are, those laws progressively get more and more restrictive. Today it's a test to prove you know how to handle a gun... tomorrow it's a test to prove you know how to handle a gun AND perhaps you have to belong to a sporting club and only use it for a specific need like many of our European friends. No thank you.

Here are a few things that first come to mind.

You can test all you like - the only thing you achieve is limiting the number of people who will own a gun. You will be limiting very few because they are too ignorant to pass a test and limiting MANY more who simply don't desire to invest time and what you and I both know would be a fee (read TAX) to exercise their rights - a right they may have opted to exercise if there was no additional fees or time involved. Stupid people pass tests ALL the time - look how many ignorant high school or college graduates are out there. I'm surrounded by ignorant people in my profession (information technology) which happens to involve industry certifications as one of the main methods a professionals skill levels are assessed. There are a LOT of down right idiotic people that bounce from job to job and never move up the ladder until they are fired or basically forced into quitting because they use a "brain dump" to pass an exam without actually really understanding the material. Requiring a test of any sorts would by all means strictly be a tax and achieve very little in actually stopping these so called dumb asses from owning a gun - they'll memorize some bullshit and pass an exam and proceed to own a gun anyways and still have little knowledge retained.

Very valid points and great recommendation of "Unintended Consequences". Hugs

DanceChillGroove Wrote:

None of those measures would have stopped Holmes.
Or Laughner, or Dylan/Klebold, or Major Hasani.

No, it wouldn't. But what would have and would still keep our right to bear arms as stated in the Constitution?

I'm always up for educating people, but I do hesitate at enacting more laws. There are so many laws that restrict us already it is ridiculous. I know I don't have the answers on how to solve the problem without banning guns, which I STRONGLY oppose as psychos and criminals will still find access to guns or come up with more creative ways to hurt others. Why disarm other people that want to protect themselves?

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · (This post was last modified: 07-24-2012 03:13 AM by SoSayWeAll.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Ahriman Wrote:
When have banning extended clips and assault rifles been confiscating everybody's weapons?

The NRA has one of the strongest lobbies in congress.

If there are more than just a couple politicians talking gun control I'll give you a cookie.

If they pass any meaningful legislation I'll buy you a Smith & Wesson myself.

What the f*ck is the point of banning extending clips and assault rifles? What a joke. Bombs are also banned but he didn't have any problem getting those.

Not to mention that any reasonably intelligent individual can come up with all manner of ways to cause mayhem just from the stuff already in his own home.

Anyone that couldn't McGuyver up something to go "BOOM!" would really qualify as a genuine idiot.