Why the stop-gap measure of single-payer? Profits are still being made in that system.

Every health care professional, facility, device manufacturer and pharma firm should simply be nationalized.

There is no need for a single-payer system when every health care professional can be coerced to work directly for the fedguv.

I'm sure they won't mind.

If they mind, they could just go look for another country where the government lets its citizens get robbed at every med visit...

Uncle Alyosha  Wrote:

If they mind, they could just go look for another country where the government lets its citizens get robbed at every med visit...

I agree, Uncle.

They should be coerced and threatened with physical violence if they do not comply.

It's not fair to us that they have spent years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to train in medicine to become professionals and not be willing provide their services to those that didn't make that singular commitment in time and resources for free.

My only question is - can sheeple ever be educated after generations of believing in lies?

Personally speaking, the NHS has been solid. I don't like the ignorance of the GPs, but if you go into an A&E department or similar they are very competent, very hard working, overworked and underpaid. Private healthcare for an individual such as myself would be completely unaffordable, and for any government a healthcare system is a long-term investment - if people are well they are more productive.


If they are ill and cannot get healthcare, and cannot afford treatment there is a reduction in productivity (this might seem a bit harsh and lacking emotion - but the point is, even if you approached the issue logically with a so-called 'uncaring' manner, it still makes sense to have a nationalised/socialist healthcare system). If you approach it with a caring approach, then by having it as such you are reducing the suffering of a great deal of many people who would otherwise be unfairly exploited. Either way you approach it, it's a good system.

Joshua Flynn  Wrote:

Personally speaking, the NHS has been solid. I don't like the ignorance of the GPs, but if you go into an A&E department or similar they are very competent, very hard working, overworked and underpaid. Private healthcare for an individual such as myself would be completely unaffordable, and for any government a healthcare system is a long-term investment - if people are well they are more productive.


If they are ill and cannot get healthcare, and cannot afford treatment there is a reduction in productivity (this might seem a bit harsh and lacking emotion - but the point is, even if you approached the issue logically with a so-called 'uncaring' manner, it still makes sense to have a nationalised/socialist healthcare system). If you approach it with a caring approach, then by having it as such you are reducing the suffering of a great deal of many people who would otherwise be unfairly exploited. Either way you approach it, it's a good system.

So basically your advocating Slavery for Doctors and Health Care Professionals? If they wish to practice medicine they will do it the way they are told by the beuricracy and take what they are given as compensation.

Worse your advocating a government deciding when, if, and what kind of treatments you are allowed to have based on productivity and state interests.

If a doctor goes against policy to treat a patient in their best interest rather than the interest of the state they will be fined, have their licence to practice medicine taken away, go to jail, or some combination of punitive punishments.

A lot of scare tactics have been employed, claiming that healthcare in the USA is becoming socialized. Americans are conditioned from birth to fear the word 'socialism' and anything associated with it.

But here's simple proof that ONLY socialized medicine is sustainable:

Most businesses in a free market system have just one goal as #1. - to increase profits. Our current healthcare system in the USA is a business, so the primary goal is to make profits.

Sheeple say: "Uhm, but I thought the main goal was to keep people healthy."

So naive... Healthy people are the biggest threat to the healthcare BUSINESS.

In countries where there is socialized medicine, the main goal is actually to keep people healthy!!! Because sick people cost the system more money.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY SOCIALIZED MEDICINE CAN BE THE MORAL AND CORRECT CHOICE?????

Don't let yourselves be fooled by another multimillion dollar marketing campaign, dear friends!

Wake up to the Truth!

Uncle Alyosha  Wrote:

My only question is - can sheeple ever be educated after generations of believing in lies?

Which lie(s) is that, exactly?

That they have a right to the value of their own individual work and talent?

Or that they are merely servants of the state?

>TrInItY<  Wrote:

A lot of scare tactics have been employed, claiming that healthcare in the USA is becoming socialized. Americans are conditioned from birth to fear the word 'socialism' and anything associated with it.

But here's simple proof that ONLY socialized medicine is sustainable:

Most businesses in a free market system have just one goal as #1. - to increase profits. Our current healthcare system in the USA is a business, so the primary goal is to make profits.

Sheeple say: "Uhm, but I thought the main goal was to keep people healthy."

So naive... Healthy people are the biggest threat to the healthcare BUSINESS.

In countries where there is socialized medicine, the main goal is actually to keep people healthy!!! Because sick people cost the system more money.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY SOCIALIZED MEDICINE CAN BE THE MORAL AND CORRECT CHOICE?????

Don't let yourselves be fooled by another multimillion dollar marketing campaign, dear friends!

Wake up to the Truth!

Read the Obamacare bill. Not you OP. I expect nothing would change your tune. But before anybody buys this socialized medicine crap, they need to inform themselves.