LoP Guest  Wrote:

I eat scavengers of the ocean, like crabs, clams, crayfish.

am I going to hell ?

there is no hell

Most responses here make me

LOPastor  Wrote:

Most responses here make me

especially when people on page 4 start arguing about whether or not eating crustacions and obeying that law will make you go to hell or not. Did you not real the Original Post?

This is probably how Jesus felt most of the time i am guessing

LOPastor  Wrote:

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

When I discovered that for myself and started to ask questions about it to the "leadership"....and received nothing back but either blank stares of disapproval or "you just don't understand the context" ...I knew I could never go back to the mainstream.

I understand it is not Paulinity. But we quote him because he is SO good at pointing us PAST him and to Jesus. Never once does he take credit for himself, instead he takes all his accomplishments and makes them nothing in comparison with Jesus, and knowing him. Paul points to Jesus. And we point at what he says because what he is saying is pointing to Jesus.

"I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law. I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault. I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done. Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ" Philippians 3:5-8

Then why does Paul insist on focusing on homosexuality when Jesus said nothing about homosexuals? Jesus said absolutely nothing, even by inference that women should cover their heads either. There are a number of those instances. Paul contradicts himself with his own statements in the verse you left.

Now much of the Law had to do with ritual purity. Who was pure to worship. They mention the assembly alot in OT Law. That's what that means, purity for assembly with the others. The unpure could not worship at the temple. They are also Babylonian based eye for an eye in keeping with the culture of the time.

What was God's first punishment after the garden? He gave Cain a pardon. And a mark that no-one would take vengence and respond in kind. Vengence is mine sayth the Lord. The original 10 commandment prescribe no punishments. Indeed, did God punish Adam & Eve or did he just tell them the truth? Your gonna have pain in childbirth and have to toil for your food. Sounds like life to me. One poster pointed out (I can't remember who) that the garden was a allegory for man going from hunter gatherer to a agricultural society.

Jesus on the other hand knew the score, put God first and love your brother as yourself. Nice and tidy. He does tend to go off on the religious establishment more than he does the normal person. He also makes many points about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven. According to Jesus, a believing homosexual will enter heaven before many of his own preachers.

He even says as much. Many will say Lord Lord didn't we do great miracles and he will say, go away from me you never knew me.

Ahriman  Wrote:

LOPastor  Wrote:

I understand it is not Paulinity. But we quote him because he is SO good at pointing us PAST him and to Jesus. Never once does he take credit for himself, instead he takes all his accomplishments and makes them nothing in comparison with Jesus, and knowing him. Paul points to Jesus. And we point at what he says because what he is saying is pointing to Jesus.

"I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law. I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault. I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done. Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ" Philippians 3:5-8

Then why does Paul insist on focusing on homosexuality when Jesus said nothing about homosexuals? Jesus said absolutely nothing, even by inference that women should cover their heads either. There are a number of those instances. Paul contradicts himself with his own statements in the verse you left.

Now much of the Law had to do with ritual purity. Who was pure to worship. They mention the assembly alot in OT Law. That's what that means, purity for assembly with the others. The unpure could not worship at the temple. They are also Babylonian based eye for an eye in keeping with the culture of the time.

What was God's first punishment after the garden? He gave Cain a pardon. And a mark that no-one would take vengence and respond in kind. Vengence is mine sayth the Lord. The original 10 commandment prescribe no punishments. Indeed, did God punish Adam & Eve or did he just tell them the truth? Your gonna have pain in childbirth and have to toil for your food. Sounds like life to me. One poster pointed out (I can't remember who) that the garden was a allegory for man going from hunter gatherer to a agricultural society.

Jesus on the other hand knew the score, put God first and love your brother as yourself. Nice and tidy. He does tend to go off on the religious establishment more than he does the normal person. He also makes many points about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven. According to Jesus, a believing homosexual will enter heaven before many of his own preachers.

He even says as much. Many will say Lord Lord didn't we do great miracles and he will say, go away from me you never knew me.

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LOPastor  Wrote:

Most responses here make me

especially when people on page 4 start arguing about whether or not eating crustacions and obeying that law will make you go to hell or not. Did you not real the Original Post?

This is probably how Jesus felt most of the time i am guessing

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I eat scavengers of the ocean, like crabs, clams, crayfish.

am I going to hell ?

there is no hell

Then why does Jesus Christ warn of hell to the sinners?
I bet you're one of those new age christian types awaiting the anti christ. Only pleasing itching ears with "there is no hell". Do as thou wilt there is no hell so drink from the cup of sin and fornication and death. Your new age religion is death. Jesus Christ rebuke you.

Na, i caught it. You brought up more than one issue there, so I will respond, but not tonight. Maybe I will make another thread tomorrow. My responses take a lot of work, i don't normally write without thinking about it

I eat scavengers of the ocean, like crabs, clams, crayfish.

am I going to hell ?

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I eat scavengers of the ocean, like crabs, clams, crayfish.

am I going to hell ?

There is The Law of God and The Law of Moses. These are two different things. The Law of God is also known as The Ten Commandments. The Law of Moses is the one that talks about crabs, clams ect. and how they were not to eat them. For one, the Law of Moses was given to the Israelites in order to form a civil society. The people went into Egypt as a large family and came out as a Nation of over 20million people. Moses handed to them a Civil Code. He grew up a Prince of Egypt, and as a Prince he was taught the highest of educations. When he said not to eat this and that it was because he was highly educated and knew that certain things could kill you and/or infect you with bacteria/parasites. He wasn't in the business of writing cook books, he was delivering a Nation at it's moment of birth. Moses wrote for them to not eat certain things because it could contaminate the population and start killing people off.

The Law of Moses was given to the Israelites and was only to be followed by the Israelites.

The Law of God was HIS standard for all mankind. But you still can't live up to it... What OP stated, it still stands to be true.

With that said: I don't think you will go to hell for eating shellfish but you should make sure that your source is legit because the food has a chance of making you sick to the point of possible death.

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Ahriman  Wrote:

Think again. We have winter every year. We have night every day.

that seems pretty close to my understanding. hell is where God isn't. it is absence or separation from the Divine. we have shades of hell here on earth, but are never completely separated from the Creator.

as for the purpose of biblical law, what did Jesus say was the whole of the law? love God and the golden rule. that's it. and when the law isn't written into your heart, that's when you find yourself needing to be told everything to do, or not do.

"love God"

God is the Word, Old Testament and New Testament (John 1:1, Genesis
1:1), and man is to live by his every word (Matthew 4:4).

You think God gave man the Bible because it doesn't matter?

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a
liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I eat scavengers of the ocean, like crabs, clams, crayfish.

am I going to hell ?

there is no hell

Then why does Jesus Christ warn of hell to the sinners?
I bet you're one of those new age christian types awaiting the anti christ. Only pleasing itching ears with "there is no hell". Do as thou wilt there is no hell so drink from the cup of sin and fornication and death. Your new age religion is death. Jesus Christ rebuke you.