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There was a Legit Question on another thread before I grew tired of the LOPGuest just going on a tirade and insulting people and I left. So I want to address that.

I made the argument that it wasn't by the Law; rather, obeying a bunch of rules, that produced salvation. Instead, the law was to show us our sinfulness and need for Jesus. It is through the Law, we become conscious of sin. We become aware of it. We recognize it. The acquaintance with the Law or condemnation of the Law, is what works us towards repentance and faith. This consciousness breaks the deception of thinking that we can be good enough to be accepted by God. The Law took away every hope of salvation except faith in a savior. This was the purpose of the Law.'

Romans 3:19-22
"Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are. But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

So then, naturally the next question is, I can do whatever I want then, right? Legit Question. That question is directly answered in the bible.

"Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it? Romans 6:1-2

'God's forgiveness does not make sin less serious; Jesus' death for sin shows us the dreadful seriousness of the matter. Jesus paid with his life so we could be forgiven. The availability of God's mercy isn't an excuse for careless living and moral laxness.' In other words, just because we ARE forgiven, we still shouldn't try and sin, because God gave his life to forgive our sins.

So what should we do?

Well Colossians 3:1-10 says,

"Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God’s right hand. Think about the things of heaven, not the things of earth. For you died to this life, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God. And when Christ, who is your life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory. So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be greedy, for a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world. Because of these sins, the anger of God is coming. You used to do these things when your life was still part of this world. But now is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, and dirty language. Don’t lie to each other, for you have stripped off your old sinful nature and all its wicked deeds. Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him."

But even if you're unable to do those things perfectly and you makes mistakes, our hope and salvation is still in Jesus.

"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57

Post: #2

"If it harms none feel free to do it."

"Be excellent to each other."

There, I saved you a lot of time and worry over the rest of that BS.

Post: #3

barbsat  Wrote:

"If it harms none feel free to do it."

"Be excellent to each other."

There, I saved you a lot of time and worry over the rest of that BS.

I Disagree with it being bs, but

Post: #4

You quote Paul, an ex-pharisee with baggage imho. Giving Paul the benefit of the doubt, he was writing well meaning letters - not scripture. His insistance on the Law is his one major failing. If your faith be what it says it is.

He contradicts the words of Jesus. He contradicts himself.

It's not Paulianity it's Christianity.

Just my 2cent.

Post: #5

Ahriman  Wrote:

You quote Paul, an ex-pharisee with baggage imho. Giving Paul the benefit of the doubt, he was writing well meaning letters - not scripture. His insistance on the Law is his one major failing. If your faith be what it says it is.

He contradicts the words of Jesus. He contradicts himself.

It's not Paulianity it's Christianity.

Just my 2cent.

When I discovered that for myself and started to ask questions about it to the "leadership"....and received nothing back but either blank stares of disapproval or "you just don't understand the context" ...I knew I could never go back to the mainstream.

Post: #6

well put

Post: #7

What are the biblical laws?

Post: #8

ColSSians is sinners.

Post: #9

barbsat  Wrote:

"If it harms none feel free to do it."

"Be excellent to each other."

There, I saved you a lot of time and worry over the rest of that BS.

"Harm" and "excellent" can only be defined by God, the Creator of all, the
only one who could possibly know and communicate them to his creation.

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil
(Deuteronomy 30:15)

If God does not exist, then "harm" and "excellent" are meaningless, and
are simply defined by every ignorant arsehole with an opinion. When
opinions clash, might makes right.

Post: #10

Full Circle  Wrote:

What are the biblical laws?

It's not about telling people to stop eating sausages,that's for sure!

The SOLE purpose of the Old-Testament law,was to testify of JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!

Or,in other words,God gave his people the Law to show them/underline the fact,that they needed JESUS CHRIST'S salvation—that NOTHING else could save their souls,ESPECIALLY NOT the Law!

Sounds paradoxical,but it's true!!!

INTERESTING BIT:Jesus Christ HIMSELF told the religious "elites" in the New-Testament to "search the scriptures,they testify(SPEAK)of me"!!!!!!! Meaning,the ENTIRE Old-Testament was all about Jesus Christ!!!!!!!

WOW,WOW,WOW,WOW,WOW,WOW,WOW!!!!!!!

THE LAW SAVES NO ONE! IT WAS NEVER GIVEN TO SAVE ANYONE!! IT WAS GiVEN TO TEACH YOU/ME(!) OF YOUR/MY NEED FOR JESUS CHRIST—IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM!!!!!!!

FRIENDS,CONFESS YOUR SINS TO THE GOD OF THE BIBLE,ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR NEED FOR JESUS CHRIST'S SALVATION AND ASK JESUS TO BE YOUR LORD AND YOUR SAVIOUR.YOU WILL THEN BELONG TO GOD AND NOBODY CAN THEN TAKE YOU AWAY FROM GOD!!!!!!!

I wish you the best.Be blessed good friend!!!

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Why God have create this bad tree in Eden, now we need someone to safe us.
Is there any bible or quran to control my mind.

Post: #14

No need for the law, without the law there is no sin, not that we are sinners to begin with!!

You're are not guilty of anything, unless others can make you believe it!!

If the laws was really that important, why did your god reduce it from the original 613 to only 10?

The reasons for all the BS laws is to make everyone guilty, if not so, when your supposed christ arrived and declared, "I'm here to die for your sins...lol, the masses simply would have said, "What f*cking sins, knock yourself out?"

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound....(Rom:5 : 20)

And to add insult to injury with these BS laws, we already know by nature what is right!!

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Post: #15

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Why God have create this bad tree in Eden, now we need someone to safe us.
Is there any bible or quran to control my mind.

God put the forbidden fruit in Eden to give man freedom of choice to disobey God.

If there is no option to rebel against God, then man becomes merely a robot.