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LoP Guest Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
^^^
didn't you preach satanic witch marianne williamson's doctrine as being of
God the other day?

Ye shall know them by their fruits.
(Matthew 7:16)

Who is marianne williamson?

you know, new age satanist marianne williamson, 'have no fear, you
don't need a saviour, Jesus was just a teacher, there is no sin'

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
Our deepest fear..........

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that frightens us most. We ask ourselves "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and famous?" Actually who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us it's in all of us. And when we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."
-Maryanne Williamson

http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Our-deepest-fear

Like I said I dont know who she is but it was part of a Nelson Mandella speech.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99114 06-14-2012 03:34 AM

Truth knows no moral compass. The only way to realize that for yourself is to try and follow all those rules and see that bad crap still happens to you anyway. If you did whatever you wanted to, you would probably think that all the bad crap happens because you were not following the rules. The only what to test the theory is to be a good boy.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

Truth knows no moral compass. The only way to realize that for yourself is to try and follow all those rules and see that bad crap still happens to you anyway. If you did whatever you wanted to, you would probably think that all the bad crap happens because you were not following the rules. The only what to test the theory is to be a good boy.

whats your moral compass?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99114 06-14-2012 03:39 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Truth knows no moral compass. The only way to realize that for yourself is to try and follow all those rules and see that bad crap still happens to you anyway. If you did whatever you wanted to, you would probably think that all the bad crap happens because you were not following the rules. The only what to test the theory is to be a good boy.

whats your moral compass?

To be a very good boy! There are lots of good reasons to be good and treat people very well. Bible has nothing to do with it really.

**LOPastor**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Truth knows no moral compass. The only way to realize that for yourself is to try and follow all those rules and see that bad crap still happens to you anyway. If you did whatever you wanted to, you would probably think that all the bad crap happens because you were not following the rules. The only what to test the theory is to be a good boy.

Good theory but unfortunately at least biblicaly, that's false. in John 16:33 Jesus says, "I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” So whether you obey or not, Jesus promises trials and sorrows either way.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Truth knows no moral compass. The only way to realize that for yourself is to try and follow all those rules and see that bad crap still happens to you anyway. If you did whatever you wanted to, you would probably think that all the bad crap happens because you were not following the rules. The only what to test the theory is to be a good boy.

whats your moral compass?

To be a very good boy! There are lots of good reasons to be good and treat people very well. Bible has nothing to do with it really.

So is your morality subjective?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 85331 06-14-2012 03:46 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Truth knows no moral compass. The only way to realize that for yourself is to try and follow all those rules and see that bad crap still happens to you anyway. If you did whatever you wanted to, you would probably think that all the bad crap happens because you were not following the rules. The only what to test the theory is to be a good boy.

whats your moral compass?

To be a very good boy! There are lots of good reasons to be good and treat people very well. Bible has nothing to do with it really.

^^^
another living god who believes his own made up definitions of "good"
and "well" are in fact good and well

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99114 06-14-2012 03:48 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
whats your moral compass?

To be a very good boy! There are lots of good reasons to be good and treat people very well. Bible has nothing to do with it really.

So is your morality subjective?

Are you asking me if I am morality itself? No. I am however, the Truth.

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~ · (This post was last modified: 06-14-2012 03:53 AM by I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
To be a very good boy! There are lots of good reasons to be good and treat people very well. Bible has nothing to do with it really.

So is your morality subjective?

Are you asking me if I am morality itself? No. I am however, the Truth.

If your morality has no grounding it is subjective meaning it will change with what society sees as good or bad. If its objective it has grounding like my morality is in the bible and that is my moral compass wont change no matter happens or what society sees as good or bad.

And I am not saying your wrong I am just showing what I mean. I mean no offence

**Johntaraz**

Ahriman Wrote:

You quote Paul, an ex-pharisee with baggage imho. Giving Paul the benefit of the doubt, he was writing well meaning letters - not scripture. His insistance on the Law is his one major failing. If your faith be what it says it is.

He contradicts the words of Jesus. He contradicts himself.

It's not Paulianity it's Christianity.

Just my 2cent.

Agree with Ahriman and would add my own points and that is if its going to be "CHRISTIANITY" that is going to be taught, it should be the words of Christ.

I have studied many religions. There is not one that is better than another. I have read the Bible many, many times. I rejected all the bs I was taught in Churches, "Christ"ian schools, and every source, dogma or doctrine other than the words of Christ. In those words there is truth.

Jesus never told his followers to build a church. Even told them NOT to worship him, only God the Father. He never said to follow the law, instead he broke the laws, on purpose and for a purpose. Why did he purposely heal, cast out demons, perform work, on the Sabbath? Overturn the money changer's tables and chase them out of the temple? To show that it is not the law and the teachings of priests and pharisees, and buying and selling has no place in the church. Instead it is the spirit of truth and acting justly, treating ones neighbor well, giving the shirt off ones back and coat as well, carrying a load for someone two miles - instead of one, stopping to help the injured person. Forsaking all earthly wealth and following Him.
Saved, rapture, grace through blood sacrifice, are not teachings of Christ, this is worship of a mystery, something else entirely.

The doctrines and laws of Ammon Amen Apollyon Mystery Babylon are blood and flesh sacrifice, hierarchy of priests, division between clergy and laymen, interpretation and doctrine of god through priests, salvation through belief and faith, enforced or encouraged tithing, monetary transactions in the churches, tax exemptions (give unto Caesar), laws/rules/cannons/offices/ordinations/cardinals/bishops/popes etc., confession, flagellation, prayers to saints, all idolatry.

Evangelism and bible thumping have destroyed any possible understanding of the teachings of Jesus (actually Yeshua) that people in this age might have found out on their own. Most reasonable, sane people hate someone in their face preaching, especially when they can tell the person sugar coating it doesn't believe it or follow it themselves.

The greatest scam satan ever pulled on humankind was to make them believe that faith, not works, is the key to salvation.

Every prayer ever said in the history of the world combined is less than one good open-hearted, kind and selfless action for a person in need.

**LOPastor**

on a side note, this is my most successful thread ever! Minus views for now. Heartflowers

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LOPastor Wrote:

on a side note, this is my most successful thread ever! Minus views for now.

don't jinx it

**LOPastor**

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

LOPastor Wrote:
on a side note, this is my most successful thread ever! Minus views for now.

don't jinx it

o no! too late S977

**Ahriman** · (This post was last modified: 06-14-2012 04:29 AM by Ahriman.)

LOPastor Wrote:

The Lucky AC Wrote:
Ahriman Wrote:
You quote Paul, an ex-pharisee with baggage imho. Giving Paul the benefit of the doubt, he was writing well meaning letters - not scripture. His insistance on the Law is his one major failing. If your faith be what it says it is.

He contradicts the words of Jesus. He contradicts himself.

It's not Paulianity it's Christianity.

Just my 2cent.

When I discovered that for myself and started to ask questions about it to the "leadership"....and received nothing back but either blank stares of disapproval or "you just don't understand the context" ...I knew I could never go back to the mainstream.

I understand it is not Paulinity. But we quote him because he is SO good at pointing us PAST him and to Jesus. Never once does he take credit for himself, instead he takes all his accomplishments and makes them nothing in comparison with Jesus, and knowing him. Paul points to Jesus. And we point at what he says because what he is saying is pointing to Jesus.

"I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law. I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault. I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done. Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ" Philippians 3:5-8

Then why does Paul insist on focusing on homosexuality when Jesus said nothing about homosexuals? Jesus said absolutely nothing, even by inference that women should cover their heads either. There are a number of those instances. Paul contradicts himself with his own statement in the verse you left.

Now much of the Law had to do with ritual purity. Who was pure to worship. They mention the assembly alot in OT Law. That's what that means, purity for assembly with the others. The unpure could not worship at the temple. They are also Babylonian based eye for an eye in keeping with the culture of the time.

What was God's first punishment after the garden? He gave Cain a pardon. And a mark that no-one would take vengence and respond in kind. Vengence is mine sayth the Lord. The original 10 commandment prescribe no punishments. Indeed, did God punish Adam & Eve or did he just tell them the truth? Your gonna have pain in childbirth and have to toil for your food. Sounds like life to me. One poster pointed out (I can't remember who) that the garden was a allegory for man going from hunter gatherer to a agricultural society.

Jesus on the other hand knew the score, put God first and love your brother as yourself. Nice and tidy. He does tend to go off on the religious establishment more than he does the normal person. He also makes many points about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven. According to Jesus, a believing homosexual will enter heaven before many of his own preachers.

He even says as much. Many will say Lord Lord didn't we do great miracles and he will say, go away from me you never knew me.

Heartflowers

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 102283 06-14-2012 04:31 AM

I eat scavengers of the ocean, like crabs, clams, crayfish.

am I going to hell ?