Post: #31

Look, if this bill was really so awful and just in the interest of big business you peeps would not be bombarded by republicans about how bad it is.
This bill probably is pretty good, and if you gonna elect a republican and he is gonna change it, it will not be for the benefit of average people.


If republicans hate it, it is probably pretty decent.

Post: #32

This is how they reduce the population in America, its called Eugenics, all planned by design.

Post: #33

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Look, if this bill was really so awful and just in the interest of big business you peeps would not be bombarded by republicans about how bad it is.
This bill probably is pretty good, and if you gonna elect a republican and he is gonna change it, it will not be for the benefit of average people.


If republicans hate it, it is probably pretty decent.

It was a bait and switch. The Death Panels are not even in Obama Care. They inserted it in the stimulus bill.

Had they inserted it in ObamaCare it would have never passed, so they burried in legislation 600 pages deep where the public never got wind of it.

But lets not kid ourselves.

It is a pillar of ObamaDeathCare and Barry Boy selected the 15 members of the 1.1 billion dollar beurocracy that to this day most Americans don't even know exists.

Post: #34

dolphin  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Look, if this bill was really so awful and just in the interest of big business you peeps would not be bombarded by republicans about how bad it is.
This bill probably is pretty good, and if you gonna elect a republican and he is gonna change it, it will not be for the benefit of average people.


If republicans hate it, it is probably pretty decent.

It was a bait and switch. The Death Panels are not even in Obama Care. They inserted it in the stimulus bill.

Had they inserted it in ObamaCare it would have never passed, so they burried in legislation 600 pages deep where the public never got wind of it.

I don't know what you are talking about, so let me speak with some emotion:

What f*cking death panels? Get a f*cking live.
The only way there are 'death panels' is when corporations do not see a profit in providing resources for certain people. If you want death panels, intrusion of your privacy and constant surveillance, then get government out of the way of corporations.

Post: #35

Is Dr David Janda correct


AARP Health Informationwww.AARPHealthcare.comSimple Answers to Your Health Care Coverage Questions. Look Here.





Answer:

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While Dr. Janda has misstated several items. These are: 1) There will not be a "panel" making decisions for doctors regarding every single patient. However, based on diagnostic and treatment codes entered into the system, an AI (artificial intelligence) / computer-based system will give a prescribed treatment recommendation based on the prognosis entered. 2) It was not "deceit" that led to the the "first part of Obamacare" being included in the stimulus plan, it was expediency and "can-do" on the part of the Democratic leadership in both Houses. The fact that the details were "buried" in 600+ pages is nothing out of the ordinary for this administration, given the real concern that people would have over the issue, it was better left unmentioned. Many Legislative package contain thousands of pages, many of which none of the members of Congress had the time or necessarily cared to read. 3) The number of doctors who will quit practicing because of Health Care Reform is simply not something that Dr. Janda or anyone else can possibly know. It is, in fact, possible that health care reform will lead to a whole new generation of doctors entering the health-care field who do not wish to make enough money to pay for their tuition costs and 6+ years of study. (i.e. compassionate care for people, not concerned about costs) and it may be possible that the Congress will offer education and tuition reimbursement in exchange for reduced salaries and years of service. More nurse practitioners could also be used to reduce overall costs.

Aside from just fact-checking, we should be asking "Does Dr. Janda know exactly how all of this will play out? The answer is, probably not; however, looking at other health care systems world-wide that are provided by their governments, this rationing is not only feasible, but necessary. Doctors and hospitals will have to "toe the line" to manage costs within a budget. It is illegal to exceed a government budget and only with extensions from Congress can a higher budget be allowed. When someone makes statements about future events their is always a reasonable possiblity for error, however the Obama administration is taking their lead from European and Canadian Government Healthcare programs. There really are no other social-medicine models to choose from. The Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership is a real program with one of their stated intentions: "
"Comparative effectiveness research provides information on the relative strengths and weakness of various medical interventions. Such research will give clinicians and patients valid information to make decisions that will improve the performance of the U.S. health care system"

What their real goals are is somewhat nebulous, as most government programs do not state their actual function and how they affect Americans in the work they perform.

It should be a real concern to all Americans to discover what legislation was passed and its implications. Unfortunately, a lot of material was not reported by our media and Congress, who was supposed to be our watchdog. It seems that a lot of people are asleep at the wheel, up to and including the taxpayers.

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Post: #36

LoP Guest  Wrote:

dolphin  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Look, if this bill was really so awful and just in the interest of big business you peeps would not be bombarded by republicans about how bad it is.
This bill probably is pretty good, and if you gonna elect a republican and he is gonna change it, it will not be for the benefit of average people.


If republicans hate it, it is probably pretty decent.

It was a bait and switch. The Death Panels are not even in Obama Care. They inserted it in the stimulus bill.

Had they inserted it in ObamaCare it would have never passed, so they burried in legislation 600 pages deep where the public never got wind of it.

I don't know what you are talking about, so let me speak with some emotion:

What f*cking death panels? Get a f*cking live.
The only way there are 'death panels' is when corporations do not see a profit in providing resources for certain people. If you want death panels, intrusion of your privacy and constant surveillance, then get government out of the way of corporations.

You don't know what your talking about. Educate yourself.

You got your head steamed up with the idea that corporations control everything and they don't.

Corporations are controlled by people. Those people also control the Non Profit Tax Exempt Foundations which in turn fund the Think Tanks and NGO's which write the policies and directives that the beurocracies carry out because those same people have the politicians running the government in their pocket who select whoever those people choose to run those beurocracies.

Corporations are just Masks, or you can call them business beurocracies that keep the day to day logistical operations that keep the socio-economic infrastructure going.

Post: #37

Christ ....

Is the only health care I personally recognize ...

God my creator ...

With his stripes I AM HEALED ...

There never was a generation that was so sick and so dependent on health care.

Our whole nation is dependant upon drugs prescribed by doctors who offer no cures only the treatment that often led to other problems.

It's time we wake up to the fact that we are slowly being made sick and deceased,only to have the symptoms treated and are offered no cures.

The health care "business" ..or industry is a trillion dollar money maker.

There is no money in "HEALTH" ..

Only in sickness ....

I will always question the motives of a "caring" government who spends all of it's time and all of our money in the care of it's citizens for their purposes.

Our last chance is fast approaching ...

Choose ...

Post: #38

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Look, if this bill was really so awful and just in the interest of big business you peeps would not be bombarded by republicans about how bad it is.
This bill probably is pretty good, and if you gonna elect a republican and he is gonna change it, it will not be for the benefit of average people.


If republicans hate it, it is probably pretty decent.

See that's the problem. Democrats don't give a crap enough to read it. They assume just because democrats pushed it, it must be good.

We shouldn't have impeached Bush and Cheny in 2007. A "democrat" said so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tPLxGCNApo

Post: #39

SINGLE PAYOR, PERIOD. TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF BEING SICK!

Post: #40

Humble Soul  Wrote:

Christ ....

Is the only health care I personally recognize ...

God my creator ...

With his stripes I AM HEALED ...

There never was a generation that was so sick and so dependent on health care.

Our whole nation is dependant upon drugs prescribed by doctors who offer no cures only the treatment that often led to other problems.

It's time we wake up to the fact that we are slowly being made sick and deceased,only to have the symptoms treated and are offered no cures.

The health care "business" ..or industry is a trillion dollar money maker.

There is no money in "HEALTH" ..

Only in sickness ....

I will always question the motives of a "caring" government who spends all of it's time and all of our money in the care of it's citizens for their purposes.

Our last chance is fast approaching ...

Choose ...

Well I will agree with you in principle if not interpretation.

The best doctor is the body itself. It was designed to heal itself. It needs good nutrition and exorcize.

I think the main point is that actual life saving procedures for those occasions where the body does need a boost from a real physician will be withheld which will dramatically increase mortality rates.

They will still be willing to give us all the poisen pills we can swallow to treat those pesky symptoms.

In other words if you get shot in the head like Rep. Gabrielle Giffords hang it up. They will let you die. They won't waste the money on you like they did on her.

Post: #41

LoP Guest  Wrote:

dolphin  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Look, if this bill was really so awful and just in the interest of big business you peeps would not be bombarded by republicans about how bad it is.
This bill probably is pretty good, and if you gonna elect a republican and he is gonna change it, it will not be for the benefit of average people.


If republicans hate it, it is probably pretty decent.

It was a bait and switch. The Death Panels are not even in Obama Care. They inserted it in the stimulus bill.

Had they inserted it in ObamaCare it would have never passed, so they burried in legislation 600 pages deep where the public never got wind of it.

I don't know what you are talking about, so let me speak with some emotion:

What f*cking death panels? Get a f*cking live.
The only way there are 'death panels' is when corporations do not see a profit in providing resources for certain people. If you want death panels, intrusion of your privacy and constant surveillance, then get government out of the way of corporations.

Anton Chaitkin confronts Zeke Emmanuel on death panels. Zeke runs away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXl32Zlbn8M

More detailed critique of Obamacare:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnKjJQ_JFlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHa0N1MGq...ure=relmfu

Post: #42

dolphin  Wrote:

Humble Soul  Wrote:

Christ ....

Is the only health care I personally recognize ...

God my creator ...

With his stripes I AM HEALED ...

There never was a generation that was so sick and so dependent on health care.

Our whole nation is dependant upon drugs prescribed by doctors who offer no cures only the treatment that often led to other problems.

It's time we wake up to the fact that we are slowly being made sick and deceased,only to have the symptoms treated and are offered no cures.

The health care "business" ..or industry is a trillion dollar money maker.

There is no money in "HEALTH" ..

Only in sickness ....

I will always question the motives of a "caring" government who spends all of it's time and all of our money in the care of it's citizens for their purposes.

Our last chance is fast approaching ...

Choose ...

Well I will agree with you in principle if not interpretation.

The best doctor is the body itself. It was designed to heal itself. It needs good nutrition and exorcize.

I think the main point is that actual life saving procedures for those rare occasions where the body does need a boost from a real physician will be withheld which will dramatically increase mortality rates.

They will still be willing to give us all the poisen pills we can swallow to treat those pesky symptoms.

In other words if you get shot in the head like Rep. Gabrielle Giffords hang it up. They will let you die. They won't waste the money on you like they did on her.

In all things ....

What good is the house?If God dosen't watch over it ....

Post: #43

Humble Soul  Wrote:

dolphin  Wrote:

Humble Soul  Wrote:

Christ ....

Is the only health care I personally recognize ...

God my creator ...

With his stripes I AM HEALED ...

There never was a generation that was so sick and so dependent on health care.

Our whole nation is dependant upon drugs prescribed by doctors who offer no cures only the treatment that often led to other problems.

It's time we wake up to the fact that we are slowly being made sick and deceased,only to have the symptoms treated and are offered no cures.

The health care "business" ..or industry is a trillion dollar money maker.

There is no money in "HEALTH" ..

Only in sickness ....

I will always question the motives of a "caring" government who spends all of it's time and all of our money in the care of it's citizens for their purposes.

Our last chance is fast approaching ...

Choose ...

Well I will agree with you in principle if not interpretation.

The best doctor is the body itself. It was designed to heal itself. It needs good nutrition and exorcize.

I think the main point is that actual life saving procedures for those rare occasions where the body does need a boost from a real physician will be withheld which will dramatically increase mortality rates.

They will still be willing to give us all the poisen pills we can swallow to treat those pesky symptoms.

In other words if you get shot in the head like Rep. Gabrielle Giffords hang it up. They will let you die. They won't waste the money on you like they did on her.

In all things ....

What good is the house?If God dosen't watch over it ....

They say God helps those who helps themselves.

So maybe God gave us that gift of reason to figure out what they are up to and doing to us so we can then figure out a way to do what we must do in order to prevent and halt it to protect our families.

Post: #44

Humble Soul  Wrote:

Christ ....

Is the only health care I personally recognize ...

God my creator ...

With his stripes I AM HEALED ...

There never was a generation that was so sick and so dependent on health care.

Our whole nation is dependant upon drugs prescribed by doctors who offer no cures only the treatment that often led to other problems.

It's time we wake up to the fact that we are slowly being made sick and deceased,only to have the symptoms treated and are offered no cures.

The health care "business" ..or industry is a trillion dollar money maker.

There is no money in "HEALTH" ..

Only in sickness ....

I will always question the motives of a "caring" government who spends all of it's time and all of our money in the care of it's citizens for their purposes.

Our last chance is fast approaching ...

Choose ...

Now this brings up another question can we force this person to provide health insurance to his employees if it is against his religion? If we cannot force Catholic organizations (which are not churches) to provide coverage for hormone treatment, what about those who do not believe in using any modern medical treatment.

Insurance should not even be tied to your job. It should be something you have that follows you from job to job.

AHC is just a big present tied up in a bow for the insurance companies, they are going to get millions of new customers.

Post: #45

dolphin  Wrote:

Humble Soul  Wrote:

dolphin  Wrote:

Well I will agree with you in principle if not interpretation.

The best doctor is the body itself. It was designed to heal itself. It needs good nutrition and exercise.

I think the main point is that actual life saving procedures for those rare occasions where the body does need a boost from a real physician will be withheld which will dramatically increase mortality rates.

They will still be willing to give us all the poison pills we can swallow to treat those pesky symptoms.

In other words if you get shot in the head like Rep. Gabrielle Giffords hang it up. They will let you die. They won't waste the money on you like they did on her.

In all things ....

What good is the house?If God doesn't watch over it ....

They say God helps those who helps themselves.

So maybe God gave us that gift of reason to figure out what they are up to and doing to us so we can then figure out a way to do what we must do in order to prevent and halt it to protect our families.

What better ....

He gave us His Son,Christ,who is formed in our heart by "faith" ..

Everything we need within us ...

It's so tough to believe ..

Much easier to trust in a system that seeks to envelop you in their care.

We don't need God our creator,we need a loving caring government who have our best interests in mind.They know we are going to need health care ....

Once your under their care ...for anything!

Game over ....