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Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 87867 04-02-2012 08:03 PM
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Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
Well, it’s been pretty obviuos for a while now that China’s been hacking into some of America’s most important businesses and government agencies and stealing reams of data. We’ve heard countless reports about Pentagon info being stolen orabout critical data on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter being plucked from defense contractors networks — with China being the main suspect.
Well, former U.S. counter-terrorism czar –currently running his own cybersecurity firm — Richard Clarke is coming out and saying that all electronics made in China may well have built-in trapdoors allowing Chinese malware to infect American systems on command. The malware could do everything from take over a device to disabling it to secretly siphoning information off of it.
Just remember, plenty of military electronics parts are sourced from China too. U.S.-based defense contractors routinely buy things like processors and circuit boards — that end up on the Pentagon’s most advanced weapons, everything from fighter jets to nuclear submarines — from brokers who get such parts in China. As you know, these parts often prove fake, something that’s dangerous enough due to the high risk of a fake part failing. What’s to stop real parts made in China from carrying an equally dangerous cyber trapdoor?
http://defensetech.org/2012/03/29/richar...-infected/
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-02-2012 08:13 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
He should know!
Our "government" did it first to steal intellectual property and enforce crony-capitalism.
Unless you have 0 level control -hardware-
you will never have security.
A savy tech company(like Tyan for example) -could- opensource some engineering software and let us design our own comuputers, and "print" them out.
Make a bundle$$$
BIOS should be free software, so should firmware.
I wouldn't design mine like typical ATX/BTX
If I had the option to have a custom one printed.
Let us design our own mobos!
Make a bundle.
Give a a full line of flashable microprocessors and some code tools that are free and open.
There is no such thing as sovereign debt. End the FED, bring back Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
United Front Against Austerity
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 87872 04-02-2012 08:18 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
so, there is a listening bug inside my made in China blender?
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 78382 04-02-2012 08:23 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
Lifelong political hack.
Zero time in the semi industry.
Another Beltway self-promoting moran - this does not mean that planting stuff in micros is impossible, merely that he is making BS statements for self-hype. Look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Guys like this pick & choose from the crap consultants gin up (invariably to generate more work)
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 78382 04-02-2012 08:24 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
LoP Guest Wrote:so, there is a listening bug inside my made in China blender?
If there is, it will expire along with the rest of the blender 2 days after the warranty is up.
Cheap is king, and nobody does cheap like China.
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-02-2012 08:27 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
LoP Guest Wrote:Lifelong political hack.
Zero time in the semi industry.
Another Beltway self-promoting moran - this does not mean that planting stuff in micros is impossible, merely that he is making BS statements for self-hype. Look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Guys like this pick & choose from the crap consultants gin up (invariably to generate more work)
Come clean.
What have you seen.
There is no such thing as sovereign debt. End the FED, bring back Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
United Front Against Austerity
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 65998 04-02-2012 08:28 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
LoP Guest Wrote:so, there is a listening bug inside my made in China blender?
In China toasters toast you.
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-02-2012 08:28 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
LoP Guest Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:so, there is a listening bug inside my made in China blender?
If there is, it will expire along with the rest of the blender 2 days after the warranty is up.
Cheap is king, and nobody does cheap like China.
About a month after the warranty timer chip pops a capacitor.
There is no such thing as sovereign debt. End the FED, bring back Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
United Front Against Austerity
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(This post was last modified: 04-02-2012 08:29 PM by Luvapottamus.)
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 87874 04-02-2012 08:31 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
Come on now, them the biblical guds you know eyes like glowing ember, foot like brass. I think enoch called them the "fallen ones" though.
either way, I am sure they, like guvmnt and maos jp morgan company, just trying to help. Leave em alone now.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Mao+Tse-tung+jp+morgan
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 78382 04-02-2012 08:36 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
Luvapottamus Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:so, there is a listening bug inside my made in China blender?
If there is, it will expire along with the rest of the blender 2 days after the warranty is up.
Cheap is king, and nobody does cheap like China.
About a month after the warranty timer chip pops a capacitor.

It may seem like that - in fact you can pretty easily calculate the life expectancy of electronics. Engineering groups are told to make the cheapest that meets spec, not something reliable. Just do the bare minimum. Keep customers buying the same crap over and over again (and they do!)
Wasn't always that way. Started back in the 60's when business schools started churning out efficiency experts. Took them a half century, but they finally drove nearly every US Manufacturing facility out of business. Wall Street and Big 8 (now less, lol) Consulting firms made a killing. Top tier of Management got their gold 'chutes. Sockholders got a few % ROI. Employees got the shaft. Communities were annihilated.
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Luvapottamus Registered User User ID: 82349 04-02-2012 08:43 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
LoP Guest Wrote:Luvapottamus Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:If there is, it will expire along with the rest of the blender 2 days after the warranty is up.
Cheap is king, and nobody does cheap like China.
About a month after the warranty timer chip pops a capacitor.

It may seem like that - in fact you can pretty easily calculate the life expectancy of electronics. Engineering groups are told to make the cheapest that meets spec, not something reliable. Just do the bare minimum. Keep customers buying the same crap over and over again (and they do!)
Wasn't always that way. Started back in the 60's when business schools started churning out efficiency experts. Took them a half century, but they finally drove nearly every US Manufacturing facility out of business. Wall Street and Big 8 (now less, lol) Consulting firms made a killing. Top tier of Management got their gold 'chutes. Sockholders got a few % ROI. Employees got the shaft. Communities were annihilated.
True.
Now what did you put in our cell phones!
There is no such thing as sovereign debt. End the FED, bring back Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
United Front Against Austerity
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OmegaEx-Moderator User ID: 59030 04-02-2012 08:46 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
LoP Guest Wrote:Luvapottamus Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:If there is, it will expire along with the rest of the blender 2 days after the warranty is up.
Cheap is king, and nobody does cheap like China.
About a month after the warranty timer chip pops a capacitor.

It may seem like that - in fact you can pretty easily calculate the life expectancy of electronics. Engineering groups are told to make the cheapest that meets spec, not something reliable. Just do the bare minimum. Keep customers buying the same crap over and over again (and they do!)
Wasn't always that way. Started back in the 60's when business schools started churning out efficiency experts. Took them a half century, but they finally drove nearly every US Manufacturing facility out of business. Wall Street and Big 8 (now less, lol) Consulting firms made a killing. Top tier of Management got their gold 'chutes. Sockholders got a few % ROI. Employees got the shaft. Communities were annihilated.
When I was an electronic technician about 25 years ago I used to test prototype electronics to failure before sending a few to UL (those guys test to DESTRUCTION; to look for failures which may be a safety hazard -think FIRE, lol) .
As an electronic engineering tech I connected temperature probes to every electronic component of the test device and fired it up and recorded the temperature -looks pretty hairy when you have like 400 wires snaking out the external case, lol.
From this data the engineer who designed the device can determine the MTBF (mean time between failure) of said device. It was common back in the day to discard the data for the first 30 -90 days of operation of said device, as the odds of an "infant Failure" would skew the MTBF data set.
Thats a primary reason a lot of consumer electronic products only have a 30-90 day warranty-after this period of time it is much more likely the device will survive its target MTBF failure rate.
I seriously doubt they do this in china. Merely an observation.
Man will never be free until the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last banker - Diderot
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(This post was last modified: 04-02-2012 08:47 PM by Omega.)
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 78382 04-02-2012 08:47 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
Luvapottamus Wrote:True.
Now what did you put in our cell phones!

The cellphone is the greatest tracking device ever invented. And you pay for the privilege!
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 78382 04-02-2012 08:52 PM
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RE: Richard Clarke: All U.S. Electronics From China Could Be Infected
Omega Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:Luvapottamus Wrote:About a month after the warranty timer chip pops a capacitor.

It may seem like that - in fact you can pretty easily calculate the life expectancy of electronics. Engineering groups are told to make the cheapest that meets spec, not something reliable. Just do the bare minimum. Keep customers buying the same crap over and over again (and they do!)
Wasn't always that way. Started back in the 60's when business schools started churning out efficiency experts. Took them a half century, but they finally drove nearly every US Manufacturing facility out of business. Wall Street and Big 8 (now less, lol) Consulting firms made a killing. Top tier of Management got their gold 'chutes. Sockholders got a few % ROI. Employees got the shaft. Communities were annihilated.
When I was an electronic technician about 25 years ago I used to test prototype electronics to failure before sending a few to UL (those guys test to DESTRUCTION; to look for failures which may be a safety hazard -think FIRE, lol) .
As an electronic engineering tech I connected temperature probes to every electronic component of the test device and fired it up and recorded the temperature -looks pretty hairy when you have like 400 wires snaking out the external case, lol.
From this data the engineer who designed the device can determine the MTBF (mean time between failure) of said device. It was common back in the day to discard the data for the first 30 -90 days of operation of said device, as the odds of an "infant Failure" would skew the MTBF data set.
Thats a primary reason a lot of consumer electronic products only have a 30-90 day warranty-after this period of time it is much more likely the device will survive its target MTBF failure rate.
I seriously doubt they do this in china. Merely an observation.
Reliability curves have a bathtub shape. Lots of failures early (infant mortality) and lots in the end (device wearout). The middle part of the curve is low failure rate (hence the bathtub shape)
Chinese make what the US mfg send them the spec for - and it's cheap cheap cheap all the way. Our Far Eastern friends are also known on occasion to substitute counterfeit or used parts. Most of the time it works, for awhile anyway. And it is so cheap people just pitch it when it breaks, then buy another.
The disposable society was sponsored by Jack Welch and legions of MBA's who know that they can make all the money they need before you realize you've been sold a pile of crap.
Yippee!  
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