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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 44359 06-04-2012 02:15 AM

RadTech Wrote:

Insight Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql5rrhQHb48

Why do mods pin this stuff? It took 30 seconds to find the truth.

Just weeks later the very same station posted a retraction after finding it was a total and complete failure.

http://www.wyff4.com/Looking-Out-4-You-W...z1wmHyDxr2

btw... the cops shot your dog.

Norktppn

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 06-04-2012 02:17 AM

RadTech Wrote:

Insight Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql5rrhQHb48

Why do mods pin this stuff? It took 30 seconds to find the truth.

Just weeks later the very same station posted a retraction after finding it was a total and complete failure.

QUOTE:

"As promised, the Mason jar filled with water and baking soda began to produce a hydrogen, and seemed to give the car an extra burst of energy. But officials said 2-3 weeks of road-testing would be required to see if the water4gas system increased mileage.

Now, three weeks later, the final test results are in.

"No. It did not improve mileage," said Sumner Huckaby, Dean of Greenville Tech's Center for Automotive Technology.

In fact, officials said they noticed a mileage decrease after installing the water4gas device.

" It dropped 2 miles per gallon," said automotive instructor Preston Howard."

http://www.wyff4.com/Looking-Out-4-You-W...z1wmHyDxr2

Problem is that you just can't pull this off with a mason jar. Trust me when I tell you that this type of system does work but it takes much more than a mason jar size system.

The size of the system I have on my 1995 Chevy Silverado holds almost 2 gallons of water and has enough wound coil in it to equal 550 linear feet of wire.

My findings on the Silverado were 14 city to 18 highway without the device. With the device the city m.p.g. went to 18 and highway went to 26 m.p.g.

I also have A Chevy Aveo with a 1.6L engine that can get over 50 m.p.g. on a one gallon setup.

Like I said. I have yet to make one that lasts more than 6 months to a year without needing rebuilt.

**Mulletman** · **Mulletman** Hi-Tech Redneck User ID: 94460 06-04-2012 02:17 AM **Posts: 706**

A bunch of guys tried using this system on their Geo Metro to increase mileage, but no positive increases on fuel economy.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 100233 06-04-2012 02:22 AM

RadTech Wrote:

Insight Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql5rrhQHb48

Why do mods pin this stuff? It took 30 seconds to find the truth.

Just weeks later the very same station posted a retraction after finding it was a total and complete failure.

QUOTE:

"As promised, the Mason jar filled with water and baking soda began to produce a hydrogen, and seemed to give the car an extra burst of energy. But officials said 2-3 weeks of road-testing would be required to see if the water4gas system increased mileage.

Now, three weeks later, the final test results are in.

"No. It did not improve mileage," said Sumner Huckaby, Dean of Greenville Tech's Center for Automotive Technology.

In fact, officials said they noticed a mileage decrease after installing the water4gas device.

" It dropped 2 miles per gallon," said automotive instructor Preston Howard."

http://www.wyff4.com/Looking-Out-4-You-W...z1wmHyDxr2

That's actually misleading. the Truth is that any fuel savings or adjustments you make to increase efficiency or mileage, anything that gives more efficient combustion..The Computer System will automatically negate it because it will dump more fuel to compensate to get back to what it is programmed to. In order for ANY of these systems to work you have to adjust the voltage from the O-sensor. You can do that with a voltage offset or a number of simple ways, 1 is adding an adapter that removes it out of the direct exhaust flow.
I've been using water injection for years , started in the 70's and was averaging 21mpg or better in a 400 cubic inch Chrysler on 95 going well over 60 mph. I use simple water vapor and always see a benefit but since O2 Sensors I needed to offset the voltage because the computer will always want to see a certain combustion mixture.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 06-04-2012 02:23 AM

No wonder that had no positive effect.

http://www.wyff4.com/Looking-Out-4-You-W...z1wmHyDxr2

The units in that artical cost $97.00 to buy. Rofl

Hell, I have put almost $400.00 in building one unit alone. That was with me and me only doing all the work.

I have never sold one or never will. I have ran them on 9 test vehicles. 2 were on my own car and truck and the other 7 were on friends vehicals that were willing to test this out.

**RadTech**

LoP Guest Wrote:

btw... the cops shot your dog.

You omitted the most pertinent information.

The mute dog was shot because it was barking and violated the "no noise" ordinance. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEPT2BSlYsw

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42015 06-04-2012 02:28 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E

Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy that ran on water. Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel in an ICE motor. On board electrolysis, no hydrogen tanks, no bombs on-board, just water.It ran 100 miles per gallon!

It was a shame to hear that he was poisoned (March 98') and no longer with us. He died in the parking lot of a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio. Sharks came a week later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according to his brother, Steve. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp.s

**freebyrd**

Insight Wrote:

freebyrd Wrote:
Insight Wrote:
It will. When we go to a credits based cashless society mark of the beast system. I hear they also suppressed the 100 mile per gallon carburator.

well this is something worthwhile that you dug up,
you know what? i like football, but i don't find a way to talk about it on every thread

The poster said money needs to go. I just replied.

yeah you replied with the all consuming ruler of your life
religion
meh! i gave you 5 stars anyway
see i am a fair man chuckle

X lop guest User ID: 78057 06-04-2012 02:28 AM

Mulletman Wrote:

A bunch of guys tried using this system on their Geo Metro to increase mileage, but no positive increases on fuel economy.

From what I have read, you need to be able to adjust O2 sensor input with HHO on a fuel injected engine. What has been told to me was that the sensor will read a lean condition and dump more gasoline which is counterproductive.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 44359 06-04-2012 02:31 AM

freebyrd Wrote:

i like football, but i don't find a way to talk about it on every thread

people that hate america watch football.

**freebyrd**

LoP Guest Wrote:

freebyrd Wrote:
i like football, but i don't find a way to talk about it on every thread
people that hate america watch football.

uh oh, did i just make another terror watch list? chuckle

**RadTech**

LoP Guest Wrote:

That's actually misleading. the Truth is that any fuel savings or adjustments you make to increase efficiency or mileage, anything that gives more efficient combustion..The Computer System will automatically negate it because it will dump more fuel to compensate to get back to what it is programmed to. In order for ANY of these systems to work you have to adjust the voltage from the O-sensor. You can do that with a voltage offset or a number of simple ways, 1 is adding an adapter that removes it out of the direct exhaust flow.
I've been using water injection for years , started in the 70's and was averaging 21mpg or better in a 400 cubic inch Chrysler on 95 going well over 60 mph. I use simple water vapor and always see a benefit but since O2 Sensors I needed to offset the voltage because the computer will always want to see a certain combustion mixture.

I do NHRA drag racing... We use water/vapor injection, also known as anti-detonant injection to drop combustion temps. This allows us to reduce engine knocking on our super charged engines. You won't get increased gas milage with a properly built engine designed for the octane fuel you're using.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 44359 06-04-2012 02:36 AM

freebyrd Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
freebyrd Wrote:
i like football, but i don't find a way to talk about it on every thread
people that hate america watch football.

uh oh, did i just make another terror watch list?

oh i doubt that... more likely you maintain one.

**RadTech**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy that ran on water. Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel in an ICE motor. On board electrolysis, no hydrogen tanks, no bombs on-board, just water.It ran 100 miles per gallon!

It was a shame to hear that he was poisoned (March 98') and no longer with us. He died in the parking lot of a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio. Sharks came a week later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according to his brother, Steve. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp.s

That guy was a well known fraud ripping people off for $1500 a pop. Here's the kit and everything you need to perpetuate the fraud. Free download! Now you can go build the kit. Come back without posting as an Anonymous nobody and I'll tell you exactly why it doesn't work. Or just read his unscientific babbling and quickly understand that he was just an uneducated, unskilled poseur trying to rip off the even less educated.

With such simple circuits using 555 timers anyone with 9th grade electronics skills could build it but for some mysterious reason, no one in the last 15 years has been able to do anything useful with it. Why? Because the guy was a nutcase and a fraud!

http://www.movingbitsproductions.com/Aut...rchive.zip

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 44359 06-04-2012 03:18 AM

RadTech Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy that ran on water. Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel in an ICE motor. On board electrolysis, no hydrogen tanks, no bombs on-board, just water.It ran 100 miles per gallon!

It was a shame to hear that he was poisoned (March 98') and no longer with us. He died in the parking lot of a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio. Sharks came a week later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according to his brother, Steve. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp.s

That guy was a well known fraud ripping people off for $1500 a pop. Here's the kit and everything you need to perpetuate the fraud. Free download! Now you can go build the kit. Come back without posting as an Anonymous nobody and I'll tell you exactly why it doesn't work. Or just read his unscientific babbling and quickly understand that he was just an uneducated, unskilled poseur trying to rip off the even less educated.

With such simple circuits using 555 timers anyone with 9th grade electronics skills could build it but for some mysterious reason, no one in the last 15 years has been able to do anything useful with it. Why? Because the guy was a nutcase and a fraud!

http://www.movingbitsproductions.com/Aut...rchive.zip

then why didn't he get a serious ass kicking by the colonel who flew out from the pentegon to check it out? (according to the news report video) neelth