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SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
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bobnightman Militant Atheist User ID: 112339 08-02-2012 11:11 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
I took a friend in over a year ago and she doesn't need to pay anything ...she had an automobile accident a few years ago and it restricts the jobs and hours she can work
Resident asshole
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SaltWaterTaffy lop guest User ID: 53361 08-02-2012 11:19 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Kill the Matrix Wrote:I'm not really upset about my family and friends, just more "astounded" than anything else. I am sure I will be okay. Thank God I was stockpiling because I was able to feed myself for the past two months and ate through much of what I had stored. I still have a solid month left of food.
I just want you guys to learn from this, to realize that many times, family sucks.
I know who I will be depending on in the future and I intend to move closer to them.
It's good you were smart and planned ahead.
I come from a very large family (mom is one of 10) who are all still local and quite successful, and we've always been led to believe that they've got our backs.
Dad just up and died suddenly in June and left mom in a huge hole (dad sucked with money, and also with insurance, evidently) and she is facing a huge problem. She is a preschool teacher who makes 10 bucks an hour and has no other skills, nor do they offer benefits. My sister and I can float her a little, she can even live with us, but we can't keep a roof over her head, pay her COBRA, her expenses and all the rest until her social security kicks in (years away).
We'll see if it's true about our big, successfully family (my dad was the first to die, most are only in their 40s), but I have my doubts. When push comes to shove, it seems like everyone only cares about their own self.
I'm sorry that happened to you, OP.
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sixten Registered User User ID: 99554 08-02-2012 11:20 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Kill the Matrix Wrote:There is something I want to share with you, because I've heard many people on this site talk about how if they were going to be homeless, they would rely on their family and friends. Maybe in a SHTF scenario, you're thinking you might take your family in, like I was planning. My thoughts on this weren't very concrete.
I always thought when the chips were really down, people's good side would shine through.
Through a series of events, I am losing my house. It's a long story, but I have never been in this position of needing help.
Toward the end, a relative moved in and was going to help with the payments. They stayed for several months for free, I found them work, and when the time came to pitch in financially, they up and moved in the middle of the night. They thought that living with me for free, eating my food, and doubling my utility bill was "helping out" -- you know, because they are so fascinating and entertaining. I wish I was kidding. This put me into worse financial shape. I was chastised by another family member for not giving this person a going away party.
I have informed every member of my family that I am losing my place to live. I have asked for help. Not one has offered me a place to stay, no one has given me a dime, including the relative down the street with a 4000 square foot house for three people. I always assumed my family would help me because I have helped them in the past. I thought the ones that owed me money would be thrilled to lend me a hand or would at least feel guilty and pay me what they owe me.
A very good friend who I nursed through a flesh eating bacterial infection for three weeks last year also refused to help me. I have helped this individual through two other surgeries. They live alone in a four-bedroom house.
The final straw came from one of the closest people to me. A friend who was in a similar situation I allowed to move in with me. I swallowed my pride, told them I needed help and asked them to call me. They are very aware of my situation. I have not heard from them in six weeks.
I have literally begged people to pay me the money they owe me.
When my family and these other people ask me what I am going to do, I have told them that I am going to live in my car, just to see their response. Nothing.
There have been incredible people who have come forward. A neighbor offered to buy my house and rent it back to me for less money, and another offered to help me move. A third person I know through business offered to let me stay in their vacation condo for free. And finally, another friend a few hours from where I am offered to let me stay with him for a year, rent free and offered me a job if I needed one. I probably won't need their help, but it's nice to know I have a fall back position.
I believe this all came about to change my attitude about helping people. I think the economy is going in the drain over the next six months, much worse than it is now. I think everyone is going to need help. I had always thought, "Of course I will help my family", but now I am rethinking that approach. I am now beginning to ask myself how those people would behave if there was very little food, would they share? If they had the only functioning vehicle, would they allow me to drive it? Things like that.
It's not about punishing them, but about not inviting people in with the selfish mindset. I think I had to go through this experience to understand that I need to protect myself from those people in an emergency situation.
I urge you to rethink your position on people so you don't learn it the hard way. Just because they are related to you does not automatically mean they will help you. Don't be like me and assume it.
At this point, I would rely on my neighbors long before I would my family and friends.
Just a heads up for you guys, so you can learn from my shitty lesson.
I know how it feels. Most people are greedy... They forget what has been done to them earlier. Karma exists and it doesn't forget. I live easy and i havn't alot of money, but i have a cabine that is warm (fire wood) and food..
My house is always open for anyone or a family who doesn't have a place to live. It's small, but it has everything..
If you would find yourself in 58.5N / 16W sometime, you could always spend some nights here..
/ Sixten.
Obi-one kenobi - Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
G-w-Bush - Either you are with us or your with the terrorists.
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(This post was last modified: 08-02-2012 11:22 PM by sixten.)
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Foodnipple ♋ User ID: 111193 08-02-2012 11:23 PM
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Don Ricardo De La O Registered User User ID: 112395 08-02-2012 11:29 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Once in 1992 I was about 30... when going through extremely hard times, I took a bus 30 miles to my familys home on Christmas... We are a family of 9. We celebrated and had a big dinner and opened gifts in my parents 500,000 dollar home. My parents at the end of the evening offered to drive me back to Pasadena in the back seat of their Mercedes Benz. Dropped me off on the street near the bridge I had been sleeping under for 6 months. My dad handed me a twenty, I handed it back. Merry f*cking Christmas. Everything is OK now and I never held this against them except deep inside. But friends will always help before family.
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Missy Registered User User ID: 110772 08-02-2012 11:40 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
I couldn't live a single one of my relatives they'd drive me crazy.
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sixten Registered User User ID: 99554 08-02-2012 11:41 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Don Ricardo De La O Wrote:Once in 1992 I was about 30... when going through extremely hard times, I took a bus 30 miles to my familys home on Christmas... We are a family of 9. We celebrated and had a big dinner and opened gifts in my parents 500,000 dollar home. My parents at the end of the evening offered to drive me back to Pasadena in the back seat of their Mercedes Benz. Dropped me off on the street near the bridge I had been sleeping under for 6 months. My dad handed me a twenty, I handed it back. Merry f*cking Christmas. Everything is OK now and I never held this against them except deep inside. But friends will always help before family.
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Strange parents you have! Most parents love their children and would do anything to help them, not just a $Twenty.
Obi-one kenobi - Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
G-w-Bush - Either you are with us or your with the terrorists.
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geminigirl Registered User User ID: 60111 08-02-2012 11:47 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Kill the Matrix Wrote:I'm not really upset about my family and friends, just more "astounded" than anything else. I am sure I will be okay. Thank God I was stockpiling because I was able to feed myself for the past two months and ate through much of what I had stored. I still have a solid month left of food.
I just want you guys to learn from this, to realize that many times, family sucks.
I know who I will be depending on in the future and I intend to move closer to them.
This is exactly why everyone should be a prepper. Many can learn from your story.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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Hollow Closet Dweller Registered User User ID: 105659 08-02-2012 11:51 PM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
hang in there
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Full Circle Registered User User ID: 112187 08-03-2012 12:09 AM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Nice post KTM. And I agree.
Good luck with your situation and I hope you pull through. Sounds like you may have the help from some of your friends.
I don't think I want to be near too many of my own family in the event of a big collapse or something major.
“My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there.”
― Rumi
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Kill the Matrix Misanthrope User ID: 38238 08-03-2012 12:13 AM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
I am pretty sure I am going to be fine. Please don't worry. Losing the house is a good thing because I am no longer tied to it.
“Doubt not that there is a judgment day where every foul deed and deal of death will be brought to light, and justice will be meted out to the perpetrators in a most satisfying, and eternal fashion.”
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RoseRed Passion & Pain User ID: 101010 08-03-2012 12:47 AM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Kill the Matrix Wrote:I am pretty sure I am going to be fine. Please don't worry. Losing the house is a good thing because I am no longer tied to it.
I think many of us are worried 'cause, we too, have good hearts.
I know I can depend on my parents and could one of my brothers. They are loving, giving people. My best friend lives across a common driveway we share and I know she and her family will help too, as we will them. All of us have helped each other in hard times before. If the SHTF, we've already discussed pooling our resources. We are fortunate to have these people in our lives. Others though, I know they wouldn't be there if the going got tough...they're fair weather family and friends. My in-laws, my other brother and my sister...they're not the type that can be counted on...they're the type that take, not give. What you've said is a good lesson though. We need to plan ahead and consider who we can really count on.
I hope things work out well for you hon...you deserve to have good things come your way.
RoseRed
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Wicman Registered User User ID: 109698 08-03-2012 01:29 AM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Don Ricardo De La O Wrote:But friends will always help before family.
always found this to be true as well.
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Kill the Matrix Misanthrope User ID: 38238 08-03-2012 01:58 AM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Wicman Wrote:Don Ricardo De La O Wrote:But friends will always help before family.
always found this to be true as well.
I have to tell you how surprised I was by people's response. A neighbor came by after they saw the sign and asked what was going on. I gave them a brief run down of the situation, they offered me a room in their house. I barely know these people. It was so generous.
The one friend that offered me a place to live has always been extremely generous and helpful to everyone. This is someone I can count on and I know it.
I think I need to be eliminating a bunch of names off my list. I will feel no guilt about not helping those people who have demonstrated an unwillingness to help me. Usually, I am a soft touch about such things, but not any more.
“Doubt not that there is a judgment day where every foul deed and deal of death will be brought to light, and justice will be meted out to the perpetrators in a most satisfying, and eternal fashion.”
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Astrochik seeking the truth - good or bad User ID: 55237 08-03-2012 02:03 AM
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RE: SHTF. Will your family help? Read this.
Kill the Matrix Wrote:Wicman Wrote:Don Ricardo De La O Wrote:But friends will always help before family.
always found this to be true as well.
I have to tell you how surprised I was by people's response. A neighbor came by after they saw the sign and asked what was going on. I gave them a brief run down of the situation, they offered me a room in their house. I barely know these people. It was so generous.
The one friend that offered me a place to live has always been extremely generous and helpful to everyone. This is someone I can count on and I know it.
I think I need to be eliminating a bunch of names off my list. I will feel no guilt about not helping those people who have demonstrated an unwillingness to help me. Usually, I am a soft touch about such things, but not any more.
You can't save the whole world, and you only have so much energy...
So choose wisely
Universe is being very direct in educating you as to where your loyalties should lie, it would seem..
 
Gun Control: History, Philosophy and Ethics by Stefan Molyneux
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