Post: #61

Joe  Wrote:

This sounds fishy. He may targeted because of his prepper habits. To cast suspicion on those who don't trust government.
You can't beleive the media anymore. Or the "gummint" for that matter.
I can see a guy getting that angry at an ex-wife perhaps, but I don't buy the part about the daughter. Nobody would shoot their own daughter. Sounds like BS to me.

He might if he thought she was an alien duplicate or govt agent in disguise.

Post: #62

Post: #63

As usual dead men tell no tale.

Post: #64

I bet he was a Lopster.

Who's missing?

Post: #65

SOME of you are forgetting that there was a "gas can" found on the stove plate )"The fire was set by placing a plastic gas can into a skillet on the stove and turning on the burner")

Thats an old school "spook" trick or NSA trick, to have a source of ignition that could be passed off as leaving the stove on with a pilot light out, or an electric heating element that was left on too long and shorted out, causing it to be a feasible source of the fire itself (most nimrods in the fire department rarely go past what seems "feasible" in forensic work)..

When you heat gas (you can actually boil gas if you didn't know) it causes it to flash off at an accelerated rate, which if the whole place is locked up, the fumes are heavier then air, and they will seek the lowest point to fill up, in other words every damn nook and cranny in that house, would have filled up with petroleum fumes (which are highly combustible.. Gravity being a constant, then all you had to do was turn on a thermostat controlled heater in the upper room or attic even (and with a "open" contact switch to thermostatically turn on), and when the temperature of the day hits the right point?.. Badooooom!!.. no evidence or traces of murder, a clean spec-ops kill..

Bet they will find out that it is standard issued .40cal ammo used, then you will find out they were shot in the head, not dead center, but either from the temple to temple, or from the back of the neck, above the third vertebra, at an angle meant to course through the cerebral cortex for "instant death stroke" as all motor functions and autonomic functions cease simultaneously (heart wouldn't even finish the beat stroke, no power from the brain)

Here is how I figure it more then likely happened.;

He was a golden boy of opportunity, traced because he lacked the knowledge to keep his trap shut, his purchases were easy to track, the amount of ammo he had was easy to track, he had "limited contact" with the outside world, his family also were of similar arrangement, and "targets of opportunity"...

He was an easy and "plausible deniability" candidate, for a MSM and federal territory action, but the switch that would have had to be thrown, is that he had stumbled onto something, or knew some people that had knowledge that was "redacted" (supposition on my part)

Here is what most likely happened next, the home was invaded by a "ghost operatives" (mask the whole nine yards of intimidation) wife "and" kid were professionally capped at the same moment, silencer can stop reports enough to be unheard outside of the house.. Now what to do?..

The primary target was not home, or could not be found in the dwelling, intel was off (outdated), so they have to cover their tracks, so taking a can of gas, placing it in the skillet, working a mojo magic, and "Boom" no evidence of a crime, just an accident by some redneck in the woods, BUT!..

He did come home, not more then a few minutes (maybe half an hour at most) after the deed has been done, finds the can on the stove, shuts it off, runs around frantically looking and screaming for his wife and daughter by name, then finds them in a pool of their own blood, professionally killed, safe opened, and rifled through already..

Panic time!..

He instantly realizes that he is a dead man, a full bore framed dead man!.. so he frantically grabs what he can, dashes out of the house and heads to the bunker (more on instinct then on thought) realizing this is it, I'm dead no matter what..

Seeing no other options out, he simply does not give them a reason, to use him ,like the government uses so many, as a patsy for removing of ones rights to defend ones self..

He was dead long before they even attempted to blow the roof down...

Spin doctors are at a loss to make anything concrete, but will eventually spin it to the advantages of the nimrods they mistakenly call heroes (the cops and feds) to prove once again a terrorist has been handled...

This is so obvious even a child can see through the BS they are trying to sling over this..

Post: #66

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I bet he was a Lopster.

Who's missing?

Mike!

This Sig is Censored.

Post: #67

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I bet he was a Lopster.

Who's missing?

"David"

Post: #68

LoP Guest  Wrote:

If those ass wipes got hold of photographs of the bunker, this was only because of snitches like that so called "friend" in IT..

Somebody needs to surround the swat team remind them to go home...

f*ckin rats man.he probably killed his wife and daughter just so he wouldnt have to waste bullets protecting them.thats a super smart move if you want a higher chance to live.its heartless but i would say necessary .

Post: #69

If the US was still functioning under the Constitution, this guy's file at DHS and FBI could be looked at. This guy went the full 9 yards prepping, so he would be watched for hoarding food, buying in quantity at military surplus and gun shops. He may have contacts with the state militia. There could be actions taken prior to this incident to shade this incident. Highly likely there is a file on him that is not police initiated. The west coast is humming with activities.

Post: #70

LoP Guest  Wrote:

SOME of you are forgetting that there was a "gas can" found on the stove plate )"The fire was set by placing a plastic gas can into a skillet on the stove and turning on the burner")

Thats an old school "spook" trick or NSA trick, to have a source of ignition that could be passed off as leaving the stove on with a pilot light out, or an electric heating element that was left on too long and shorted out, causing it to be a feasible source of the fire itself (most nimrods in the fire department rarely go past what seems "feasible" in forensic work)..

When you heat gas (you can actually boil gas if you didn't know) it causes it to flash off at an accelerated rate, which if the whole place is locked up, the fumes are heavier then air, and they will seek the lowest point to fill up, in other words every damn nook and cranny in that house, would have filled up with petroleum fumes (which are highly combustible.. Gravity being a constant, then all you had to do was turn on a thermostat controlled heater in the upper room or attic even (and with a "open" contact switch to thermostatically turn on), and when the temperature of the day hits the right point?.. Badooooom!!.. no evidence or traces of murder, a clean spec-ops kill..

Bet they will find out that it is standard issued .40cal ammo used, then you will find out they were shot in the head, not dead center, but either from the temple to temple, or from the back of the neck, above the third vertebra, at an angle meant to course through the cerebral cortex for "instant death stroke" as all motor functions and autonomic functions cease simultaneously (heart wouldn't even finish the beat stroke, no power from the brain)

Here is how I figure it more then likely happened.;

He was a golden boy of opportunity, traced because he lacked the knowledge to keep his trap shut, his purchases were easy to track, the amount of ammo he had was easy to track, he had "limited contact" with the outside world, his family also were of similar arrangement, and "targets of opportunity"...

He was an easy and "plausible deniability" candidate, for a MSM and federal territory action, but the switch that would have had to be thrown, is that he had stumbled onto something, or knew some people that had knowledge that was "redacted" (supposition on my part)

Here is what most likely happened next, the home was invaded by a "ghost operatives" (mask the whole nine yards of intimidation) wife "and" kid were professionally capped at the same moment, silencer can stop reports enough to be unheard outside of the house.. Now what to do?..

The primary target was not home, or could not be found in the dwelling, intel was off (outdated), so they have to cover their tracks, so taking a can of gas, placing it in the skillet, working a mojo magic, and "Boom" no evidence of a crime, just an accident by some redneck in the woods, BUT!..

He did come home, not more then a few minutes (maybe half an hour at most) after the deed has been done, finds the can on the stove, shuts it off, runs around frantically looking and screaming for his wife and daughter by name, then finds them in a pool of their own blood, professionally killed, safe opened, and rifled through already..

Panic time!..

He instantly realizes that he is a dead man, a full bore framed dead man!.. so he frantically grabs what he can, dashes out of the house and heads to the bunker (more on instinct then on thought) realizing this is it, I'm dead no matter what..

Seeing no other options out, he simply does not give them a reason, to use him ,like the government uses so many, as a patsy for removing of ones rights to defend ones self..

He was dead long before they even attempted to blow the roof down...

Spin doctors are at a loss to make anything concrete, but will eventually spin it to the advantages of the nimrods they mistakenly call heroes (the cops and feds) to prove once again a terrorist has been handled...

This is so obvious even a child can see through the BS they are trying to sling over this..

based on what's been shown so far, that seems like it fits the current evidence...

sherlock holmes?

Post: #71

I recall them saying this man had an elaborate bunker.
Take a look.
http://p.twimg.com/ArmGPJaCQAEKaZe.jpg:large

Post: #72

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I recall them saying this man had an elaborate bunker.
Take a look.
http://p.twimg.com/ArmGPJaCQAEKaZe.jpg:large

Kind of like Osama Bin Ladens palatial palace...

Post: #73

Astrochik  Wrote:

based on what's been shown so far, that seems like it fits the current evidence...

sherlock holmes?

"Experience" would be more likely (ahem)...

Patterns.. nothing but patterns, and a sea of infinite complexities, that when looked upon with an eye for detail, the patterns emerge..

In this case?..

It was a failed OP, and it will be shut down rapidly into the well of obfuscation before the week is out (loss of opportunity)

Post: #74

Thank you to whoever pinned this.

Post: #75

LoP Guest  Wrote:

SOME of you are forgetting that there was a "gas can" found on the stove plate )"The fire was set by placing a plastic gas can into a skillet on the stove and turning on the burner")

Thats an old school "spook" trick or NSA trick, to have a source of ignition that could be passed off as leaving the stove on with a pilot light out, or an electric heating element that was left on too long and shorted out, causing it to be a feasible source of the fire itself (most nimrods in the fire department rarely go past what seems "feasible" in forensic work)..

When you heat gas (you can actually boil gas if you didn't know) it causes it to flash off at an accelerated rate, which if the whole place is locked up, the fumes are heavier then air, and they will seek the lowest point to fill up, in other words every damn nook and cranny in that house, would have filled up with petroleum fumes (which are highly combustible.. Gravity being a constant, then all you had to do was turn on a thermostat controlled heater in the upper room or attic even (and with a "open" contact switch to thermostatically turn on), and when the temperature of the day hits the right point?.. Badooooom!!.. no evidence or traces of murder, a clean spec-ops kill..

Bet they will find out that it is standard issued .40cal ammo used, then you will find out they were shot in the head, not dead center, but either from the temple to temple, or from the back of the neck, above the third vertebra, at an angle meant to course through the cerebral cortex for "instant death stroke" as all motor functions and autonomic functions cease simultaneously (heart wouldn't even finish the beat stroke, no power from the brain)

Here is how I figure it more then likely happened.;

He was a golden boy of opportunity, traced because he lacked the knowledge to keep his trap shut, his purchases were easy to track, the amount of ammo he had was easy to track, he had "limited contact" with the outside world, his family also were of similar arrangement, and "targets of opportunity"...

He was an easy and "plausible deniability" candidate, for a MSM and federal territory action, but the switch that would have had to be thrown, is that he had stumbled onto something, or knew some people that had knowledge that was "redacted" (supposition on my part)

Here is what most likely happened next, the home was invaded by a "ghost operatives" (mask the whole nine yards of intimidation) wife "and" kid were professionally capped at the same moment, silencer can stop reports enough to be unheard outside of the house.. Now what to do?..

The primary target was not home, or could not be found in the dwelling, intel was off (outdated), so they have to cover their tracks, so taking a can of gas, placing it in the skillet, working a mojo magic, and "Boom" no evidence of a crime, just an accident by some redneck in the woods, BUT!..

He did come home, not more then a few minutes (maybe half an hour at most) after the deed has been done, finds the can on the stove, shuts it off, runs around frantically looking and screaming for his wife and daughter by name, then finds them in a pool of their own blood, professionally killed, safe opened, and rifled through already..

Panic time!..

He instantly realizes that he is a dead man, a full bore framed dead man!.. so he frantically grabs what he can, dashes out of the house and heads to the bunker (more on instinct then on thought) realizing this is it, I'm dead no matter what..

Seeing no other options out, he simply does not give them a reason, to use him ,like the government uses so many, as a patsy for removing of ones rights to defend ones self..

He was dead long before they even attempted to blow the roof down...

Spin doctors are at a loss to make anything concrete, but will eventually spin it to the advantages of the nimrods they mistakenly call heroes (the cops and feds) to prove once again a terrorist has been handled...

This is so obvious even a child can see through the BS they are trying to sling over this..

This is one giant sick game to them.