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**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 09-22-2012 12:12 PM by FreedomStands.)

Adveser Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
How can someone say it isn't the drug that is causing these people to hallucinate and have manner of psychotic symptoms? Lol what the heck.

I'm saying they do not know how to handle it and do it anyway. You can act totally paranoid and crazy on coke and you can hallucinate your ass off on speed. You don't feel the need to remove your organs in the process.

Some people take a loaded gun and hide out in the closet for a week at a time on meth, but that doesn't mean the drug does that. Some people play scales on guitar all f*cking day and write songs. So we're supposed to throw the baby out with the bath water here?

I see what you're saying yeah, some people decide to control themselves when experiencing symptoms and others don't react well, the news media mainly speaks about the stories that have sensational results since all the people who stayed calm are never heard about.

That doesn't mean one should give their money to the stupid government who is profiting from the extortionist prices they charge for this worthless crap.

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FreedomStands Wrote:

Adveser Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
How can someone say it isn't the drug that is causing these people to hallucinate and have manner of psychotic symptoms? Lol what the heck.

I'm saying they do not know how to handle it and do it anyway. You can act totally paranoid and crazy on coke and you can hallucinate your ass off on speed. You don't feel the need to remove your organs in the process.

Some people take a loaded gun and hide out in the closet for a week at a time on meth, but that doesn't mean the drug does that. Some people play scales on guitar all f*cking day and write songs. So we're supposed to throw the baby out with the bath water here?

I see what you're saying yeah, some people decide to control themselves when experiencing symptoms and others don't react well, the news media mainly speaks about the stories that have sensational results since all the people who stayed calm are never heard about.

That doesn't mean one should give their money to the stupid government who is profiting from the extortionist prices they charge for this worthless crap.

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**Adveser**

mudma Wrote:

The thing with meth is its potency compared to a traditional amphetamine,
Sure you can stay up for four days on speed,but meth is so much stronger that after being wired out your head for two days on a much,much stronger drug than normal speed you arnt making as informed decisions as to when you should stop,when sober you know its a bad idea to keep snortin meth,when your off ur tits on it you would think im ok,im going to keep racking them up.
Before u know it your naked,attacking yourself and others waking up in a secure unit! Same with pcp.
Now we have bathsalts,same/similar symptoms wirh over dose just dependant on an individuals own tolerance,which seems to vary greatly,too much of a gamble in my book tbh!

That is not true whatsoever. And that's also why people smoke it. You know instantly when enough is enough because long before you would end up ODing that sense of dread that you've never been quite that jacked up hits you. Again, I've never heard of anyone blacking out totally unless they were doing something that puts their mind in theta mode where they are literally sleepwalking, which is usually relaxing or trancelike.

Is anyone actually speaking from experience other than me or is it assumptions based on what you've heard?

**mudma**

Everyone I know that ive spoken to about it are eithe addicts,former addicts and base cookers/kitchen chemists,so no its not untrue what ive written.
Everyones differnt and experiance highs in different ways and intensities,
Yousay u cant unknowingly od on it when smoked? So u been up for four days straight,feel abit crap an do a dose to make u feel better and do a bit too much in one go,a big hit on the pipe,when its piped its piped,no going back the same as doing lines,easy od.
Alot of people may be doing other drugs or drink at the same time,you cant know.for sure that people cant overdose on it just coz the hit is in a pipe,especialy if you brought sum more and it got a higher purity than your last buy!
Not everyone abuses drugs responsibly,if there is such a thing lol!

**mudma**

The waking up in a secure unit would be from the sedating just to control the craziness,not from the drug usage causing a black out.

**FreedomStands**

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**Shugyosha** · **Shugyosha** Ronin For Hire User ID: 119766 09-22-2012 03:11 PM **Posts: 908**

11:11 Wrote:

“These guys were seeing things like monsters, demons and aliens, and those were consistent terms,” Ryan said. “We didn't ask, ‘Are you seeing monsters and aliens?' They were telling us that.”

The article made me think of the Scarecrow's fear drug in Batman Begins... and, as some conspiracy folk believe, THEY do love to brag about their new toys in plain sight...

Interesting.

**dookie stain** lop guest User ID: 67725 09-22-2012 04:17 PM

I saw a salter in my 'hood hauled off by cops....he was a typical harmless skaterboard kid....after salter he stumbles around talking to himself.....He finally started attacking people and vandalizing cars....I think he got committed to the nut hut.....he never came back to the 'hood and his family moved shortly afterwards....