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Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-28-2012 03:00 AM

akhenaten Wrote:

Christ Follower Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
No earth was discovered. They have a theory a planet could inhabit the region. Yet, the Bible says God created earth special. Big bang has been debunked. Earth did not cool down over bazzillions of fictitious years as they claim planets form.

"It is not known with certainty how planets are formed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Formation

Dear Guest,

There are a lot of posters here that love making fun of us because it gives them something to do and makes them feel superior.

Please ignore them.

Sincerely, a fellow ChristTard

No bashing intended here... Just a curiosity.
If and When (more when than if) we discover life on other planets...intelligent life...are you guys going to give up Christianity? Prrof of intelligent life would nullify the Bible would it not? Sincerely...I am honestly curious how Christians will handle that issue.

Sheldon...is that you?

Thats a really BIG IF you've got there.

Its not going to happen. The middle east war is about to explode...starting the Tribulation. And wrapping up this age on earth.

But don't let this intrude in on your Star Trek religion/fantasy.

**Coolhandluke74**

LooneyBin Wrote:

One day we will built big, fast ships to travel to these stars.

We will take years to get to these specs in space.

We will find out that the specs we see are really only dust on the outside of the glass.

You don't need a big ship, just one that can warp space...

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 16731 04-28-2012 03:17 AM **Posts: 7,267**

Pi Wrote:

akhenaten Wrote:
Christ Follower Wrote:
Dear Guest,

There are a lot of posters here that love making fun of us because it gives them something to do and makes them feel superior.

Please ignore them.

Sincerely, a fellow ChristTard

No bashing intended here... Just a curiosity.
If and When (more when than if) we discover life on other planets...intelligent life...are you guys going to give up Christianity? Prrof of intelligent life would nullify the Bible would it not? Sincerely...I am honestly curious how Christians will handle that issue.
Sheldon...is that you?

Thats a really BIG IF you've got there.

Its not going to happen. The middle east war is about to explode...starting the Tribulation. And wrapping up this age on earth.

But don't let this intrude in on your Star Trek religion/fantasy.

Oh we may very well obliterate ourselves, but your imaginary psychotic Sky Daddy will have nothing to do with it... Beyond maybe CAUSING it, since half the world is so stupid they actually buy into this nonsense and would quite happily kill us all in order to see Jesus.

You don't even SEE the inherent ignorance, do you?

Of course not.... Never mind. it's a lost cause.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 16731 04-28-2012 03:19 AM **Posts: 7,267**

Pi Wrote:

akhenaten Wrote:
Christ Follower Wrote:
Dear Guest,

There are a lot of posters here that love making fun of us because it gives them something to do and makes them feel superior.

Please ignore them.

Sincerely, a fellow ChristTard

No bashing intended here... Just a curiosity.
If and When (more when than if) we discover life on other planets...intelligent life...are you guys going to give up Christianity? Prrof of intelligent life would nullify the Bible would it not? Sincerely...I am honestly curious how Christians will handle that issue.
Sheldon...is that you?

Thats a really BIG IF you've got there.

Its not going to happen. The middle east war is about to explode...starting the Tribulation. And wrapping up this age on earth.

But don't let this intrude in on your Star Trek religion/fantasy.

And no, it's NOT a very big IF... It's a when.

And I can use huge fonts too!

**Ahriman** · (This post was last modified: 04-28-2012 04:04 AM by Ahriman.)

Womam Wrote:

Mark Wrote:
Nobody seems to catch that, though earthlike, it is NOT a place where we could live. It has 4.5 times the mass of Earth, so it has 4.5 times the Gravity. If you weighed 170 lbs on earth you'd weigh 765 lbs there. Really want to lug all that weight around?

bingo.

there are so many factors under the umbrella of the Goldilocks zone that HAVE to be in place to make this planet very comfortable and habitable for life as we know it.

the belief that 'omg it's round and has water, therefore it's earthlike'...is very short sighted. Earth's perfectly balanced biosphere and everything therein took what appears to be special ingredients and planning to provide an environment where an abundance of various species can propagate and flourish....

even though some of you believe it all came into reality by some random chance.

How would you know you were 765 lbs or would that just be a median weight which would be appropriate for the surroundings? Maybe on their planet they DO weigh 170. Maybe they are all roughly 12-15 feet tall and would consider the largest human a midget. Animals here have eyes that are consistent with their enviornment, so maybe a dark red sun would not seem to them to be dark like we do... and our sun would literally blind them.... what is habitable anyway?

Questions questions questions.... lol

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 16731 04-28-2012 04:27 AM **Posts: 7,267**

Ahriman Wrote:

Womam Wrote:
Mark Wrote:
Nobody seems to catch that, though earthlike, it is NOT a place where we could live. It has 4.5 times the mass of Earth, so it has 4.5 times the Gravity. If you weighed 170 lbs on earth you'd weigh 765 lbs there. Really want to lug all that weight around?

bingo.

there are so many factors under the umbrella of the Goldilocks zone that HAVE to be in place to make this planet very comfortable and habitable for life as we know it.

the belief that 'omg it's round and has water, therefore it's earthlike'...is very short sighted. Earth's perfectly balanced biosphere and everything therein took what appears to be special ingredients and planning to provide an environment where an abundance of various species can propagate and flourish....

even though some of you believe it all came into reality by some random chance.

How would you know you were 765 lbs or would that just be a median weight which would be appropriate for the surroundings? Maybe on their planet they DO weigh 170. Maybe they are all roughly 12-15 feet tall and would consider the largest human a midget. Animals here have eyes that are consistent with their enviornment, so maybe a dark red sun would not seem to them to be dark like we do... and our sun would literally blind them.... what is habitable anyway?

Questions questions questions....

Exactly.... The adherants of certain belief systems are not good at thinking out of their little box.

Life finds a way... It adapts to suit a wide variety of conditions, not JUST the narrowly defined ones that happen to exist here. Earth wasn't always as it is now either, but life found a way then, and adapted as it changed.

But no that couldn't be, we need a mythical diety to blink of fart or something to perform a miracle.

Sigh... Here's one more thing to try to stretch your reverently inflexible minds around... the universe if effectively INFINITE.

That pretty much means that if any given thing (or set of conditions) can be imagined, it probably either already exists, once existed or will exist.

Much like the old joke about the infinite number of moneys hammering away on an infinite number of typewriters would eventually reproduce every work of literature ever conceived just by the certainty of infinity.

It's like the biggest experiment ever set in motion... All the elements and conditions required for the development of life, ways and means to shuffle the deck and all the time required for it to happen.

It happened here, as it has on millions of other worlds in this galaxy alone, and as it will continue to occur until the end of time.

It's simply what the universe DOES.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 93152 04-28-2012 04:48 AM

Here's an idea. Let throughly f*ck up the earth first, since we are already well on our way, and why changes horses in the middle of the stream.

And then we can throughly f*ck up the second earth. Hell might even get lucky and find a couple dozen other earth like planets to f*ck up as well.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 16731 04-28-2012 04:54 AM **Posts: 7,267**

One more comment, than I'm talking a break.

The the group who say 'But these planets aren't even very much like Earth!'

Twenty years ago, the debate was DO PLANETS EVEN EXIST around other stars? because we had no means to detect them.

Then what... 7 years ago? A scant few years ago in any case! We managed to come up with a means to tell there were HUGE planets in close fast orbit around near stars. all of a sudden, THERE WERE PLANETS!

Those techniques have been refined and new ones developed, and NOW THERE ARE EARTH-LIKE PLANETS! Granted a bit bigger than Earth because we can't see the little ones yet, but Earth-like none the less.

In another 10 years - providing that somebody's mythical Old man in the Sky doesn't wipe us all out because he LOVES us so fraking much (you can appreciate the irony there, I'm sure) - we will discover genuinely Earth-like planets and even smaller ones, at increasingly distant ranges farther and farther away.

Eventually, we will find a way to directly image these planets, and find means to analyze their atmospheric composition, and suddenly THERE WILL BE PLANETS WITH LIFE ON THEM!

Well all of these planets - the BIG ones, the LITTLE ones and the ones with other beings with EYES looking back at us - were there all along.

And Jesus never told you about them!

Do you know why?

Because Jesus never told you ANYTHING... the people that wrote your book of fairytales and all the OTHER books of fairytales were human, flawed, ignorant, goat-herding superstitious control freaks pushing an agenda to control their fellow man... and they STILL are!

They couldn't tell you about anything they didn't KNOW about, so therefore your book is full of violence and vengence and killing your children and screwing camels and whatever else nonsense they thought about back then.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 16731 04-28-2012 05:14 AM **Posts: 7,267**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Here's an idea. Let throughly f*ck up the earth first, since we are already well on our way, and why changes horses in the middle of the stream.

And then we can throughly f*ck up the second earth. Hell might even get lucky and find a couple dozen other earth like planets to f*ck up as well.

That is very nearly as huge a load of nonsense as the religionists and their often repeated script.

This planet is no where NEAR 'f*cked up', and as a matter of fact with the possible exception of full scale nuclear war, I don't think there is anything we can do to mess it up much.

But see that's the beautiful thing too, we can do things, we have the ability to alter our environment to make life better for ourselves, we don't need to crawl around shivering in the muck because we can't help ourselves, and in the course of doing that we do make messes and we more often than not clean them up too.

And it cleans itself! Now there's a miracle, huh? As a matter of fact, just think about all the volcanism over the cousrse of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. Now THAT is a grade-A planet altering mega mess right there! Hell, ONE eruption - Mount Pinatubo in the Phillipines in 1991 - put so much crap in the atmosphere that the weather was signifigantly altered fro several years! All of our industrialized ciilization for the last several hundred years can't even alter the climate (as much as you watermelons so desperately want us to think otherwise).

And all that mess without one single SUV, or a big giant cataytic converter stuck down it's spout, or even a draconian mandate from the EPA to make our daily lives more miserable! And... get ready... IT CLEANED ITSELF UP!

Maybe there ARE miracles!

Because that's what the planet does Pal... and with FAR greater messes than we're even capable of dreaming of making, say nothing about mankinds puny little contributions.

So please don't even GO there with that old worn out 'that's all we need is to go ruin another planet' failed argument...

Please don't get me wrong either, I'm in no way defending or advocating being irresponsible with our environment. The gulf oil spill, Fukushima, and many others were inexcuseable CRIMES caused by greed and shortsightedness.

But that doesn't mean we should stop advancing human civilization, it means we need to do better and not allow those kinds of events to happen again. We should rather clean up after ourselves and strive to prevent such things from happening again.

**LOPastor**

Christ Follower Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
No earth was discovered. They have a theory a planet could inhabit the region. Yet, the Bible says God created earth special. Big bang has been debunked. Earth did not cool down over bazzillions of fictitious years as they claim planets form.

"It is not known with certainty how planets are formed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Formation

Dear Guest,

There are a lot of posters here that love making fun of us because it gives them something to do and makes them feel superior.

Please ignore them.

Sincerely, a fellow ChristTard

ChristTard. I love it

**LOPastor** · (This post was last modified: 04-28-2012 06:58 AM by LOPastor.)

SoSayWeAll Wrote:

Pi Wrote:
akhenaten Wrote:
No bashing intended here... Just a curiosity.
If and When (more when than if) we discover life on other planets...intelligent life...are you guys going to give up Christianity? Prrof of intelligent life would nullify the Bible would it not? Sincerely...I am honestly curious how Christians will handle that issue.
Sheldon...is that you?

Thats a really BIG IF you've got there.

Its not going to happen. The middle east war is about to explode...starting the Tribulation. And wrapping up this age on earth.

But don't let this intrude in on your Star Trek religion/fantasy.

And no, it's NOT a very big IF... It's a when.

And I can use huge fonts too!

No Christianity would not end if intelligent life were discovered. Because it wouldn't be the same intelligent life that your thinking of like on star trek :) In fact, C.S Lewis, a fellow Christian, pastor, intellect, and writer, wrote the chronicles of Narnia as well as some other books and stories that postulates the idea of life on other planets. Out of the Silent Planet, Perlandria. All fiction of course, but not all Christians are against the idea. It doesn't have to necessarily conflict with our belief in Jesus as God, the savior who died for our sins.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 16731 04-28-2012 10:47 AM **Posts: 7,267**

LOPastor Wrote:

SoSayWeAll Wrote:
Pi Wrote:
Sheldon...is that you?

Thats a really BIG IF you've got there.

Its not going to happen. The middle east war is about to explode...starting the Tribulation. And wrapping up this age on earth.

But don't let this intrude in on your Star Trek religion/fantasy.

And no, it's NOT a very big IF... It's a when.

And I can use huge fonts too!

No Christianity would not end if intelligent life were discovered. Because it wouldn't be the same intelligent life that your thinking of like on star trek :) In fact, C.S Lewis, a fellow Christian, pastor, intellect, and writer, wrote the chronicles of Narnia as well as some other books and stories that postulates the idea of life on other planets. Out of the Silent Planet, Perlandria. All fiction of course, but not all Christians are against the idea. It doesn't have to necessarily conflict with our belief in Jesus as God, the savior who died for our sins.

You DO realize that the Christian mythos was lifted almost en toto from the mythology of preceeding civilizations, in possibly the all time greatest case of theological plagarism ever committed, right?

How far back do you care to go? Babylonian Nimrod? Persian Mithra? Egyptian Horus? Fascinating tales one and all, and somehow all so FAMILIAR!

Reasearch it if you doubt me... I disagree with your beliefs, but I would not lie to you.

Not to mention that the one true Christian religion, the ONLY way, was remade and compromised at ever opportunity to accomodate all the known Pagan traditions, in an attempt to win and retain converts...

So do you espouse the religion of the One True God, the Way the Truth and the Light, or merely the latest rewrite and reimagining of a myth almost as old as humanity itself?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 91746 04-28-2012 01:11 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
No earth was discovered. They have a theory a planet could inhabit the region. Yet, the Bible says God created earth special. Big bang has been debunked. Earth did not cool down over bazzillions of fictitious years as they claim planets form.

"It is not known with certainty how planets are formed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Formation

You are a retard.

Ad hominem. Projection much?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 91746 04-28-2012 01:24 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

birdie Wrote:
Luckystrike Wrote:

Wow.

You are truly ignorant. Perhaps someone needs to post a list of all the scientific discoveries made by the Church for you and all of the brilliant scientists who happened to be Catholic priests.

Are you that ignorant to not know about the causation of the dark ages? Sure, there are inventions by Catholic priests, but we are talking about society as a whole during one particular period. What was the problem was the destruction of EVERYTHING the church did not agree with during those times. Technological humanity is behind hundreds of years because of the church. It is a f*cking shame.

Why do you assume that the Catholic church is representative of Christianity - or even Christian? (Both of which I personally doubt.)

Could it not be that the world has been beset by Machiavellian power grabbers and actors in their own megalomaniac control drama sailing under the flag of Christianity? And they're still putting the blocks up (e.g. telling scientists that they can explore the universe but cannot investigate beyond the big bang etc)

As noted, the Catholic church has added virtually nothing to the sum of human knowledge and technology - whilst filling their coffers and adding to their numbers of mindcontrolled peons.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 88277 04-28-2012 04:04 PM

Ahriman Wrote:

Womam Wrote:
Mark Wrote:
Nobody seems to catch that, though earthlike, it is NOT a place where we could live. It has 4.5 times the mass of Earth, so it has 4.5 times the Gravity. If you weighed 170 lbs on earth you'd weigh 765 lbs there. Really want to lug all that weight around?

bingo.

there are so many factors under the umbrella of the Goldilocks zone that HAVE to be in place to make this planet very comfortable and habitable for life as we know it.

the belief that 'omg it's round and has water, therefore it's earthlike'...is very short sighted. Earth's perfectly balanced biosphere and everything therein took what appears to be special ingredients and planning to provide an environment where an abundance of various species can propagate and flourish....

even though some of you believe it all came into reality by some random chance.

How would you know you were 765 lbs or would that just be a median weight which would be appropriate for the surroundings?

Weight is weight, and has nothing to do with the surroundings.

Strap an extra 600 lbs on your body, and then get back to us about how the surrounding environment figured in to your experience of being loaded down with 600 lbs of extra weight.

AhrimanWrote:

Maybe on their planet they DO weigh 170.

Maybe they are all roughly 12-15 feet tall and would consider the largest human a midget.

So now you're guessing that they ARE 170 lbs and are 12-15 feet tall? Lol

*images them having to run around in circles in the shower just to get wet*

btw...how could they even grow that tall in such compacting dense gravity?

AhrimanWrote:

Animals here have eyes that are consistent with their enviornment, so maybe a dark red sun would not seem to them to be dark like we do... and our sun would literally blind them.... what is habitable anyway?

What IS habitable? How about we start by ruling out what is obviously NOT HABITABLE, right here in our own solar system with planets that share our same sun and general neighborhood....starting with Mars...