Post: #1

Okay so I watched a interesting show on the events of the Son of Sam case. One of the things that came out of the show was that some believe David Berkowitz could not have acted alone. It seems some people believe Berkowitz was part of a conspiracy to commit murder by a group of Satan worshipers or something.

1) Berkowitz did confess to 3 murders I believe, but claims he never committed all the killings himself and that he only watched a few.

Yet he has never actually named any other names and doesn't offer up any evidence or even discuss what took place.

2) One of the murders happened 2 minutes or so after Berkowitz was identified by an eye witness blocks away. The murder or attempted murder was too far away from where Berkowitz was sighted for him to have gotten there in time.

Of course exact times are very hard to pin down for any event so I am sure the eye witness identifying Berkowitz could have just had the wrong time.

3) The event above was witnessed by another individual and that person's description of the killer was nothing like Berkowitz. In fact there are a few police drawings taken from the eye witnesses who could make statements survivors, bystanders and all these drawings are pretty different only one really looks something like Berkowitz.

Of course all these drawings were made from details given to police sketch artists by people witnessing events in dark areas during traumatic events.

4) It seems that the MO for the killings changed slightly which seems to point to a conspiracy.

Of course it could just be a single crazy person not acting rationally at all.

5) Son of Sam was a name that Berkowitz used because "Sam" was his neighbor. Sam's childeren were also supposed to be in the same Satanic club and both of Sam's sons were found dead years later from suspicious circumstances.

More reading....

http://www.sonofsamconspiracy.com/

Post: #2

Son of Sam = Son(of)Sam = Sonsam = (Mas)(ons) = Masons

The Masons !! Maybe it was them ?

Post: #3

Convicted Criminal  Wrote:

Son of Sam = Son(of)Sam = Sonsam = (Mas)(ons) = Masons

The Masons !! Maybe it was them ?

Hmmmm....promising thread. I'll see you and raise you two:

1) Charlie MANSON

2) Tim OSMAN (aka Osama Bin Laden)

Post: #4

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Convicted Criminal  Wrote:

Son of Sam = Son(of)Sam = Sonsam = (Mas)(ons) = Masons

The Masons !! Maybe it was them ?

Hmmmm....promising thread. I'll see you and raise you two:

1) Charlie MANSON

2) Tim OSMAN (aka Osama Bin Laden)

Manson knew to much he was being used by the CIA to end the peace and love revolution.

Post: #5

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Convicted Criminal  Wrote:

Son of Sam = Son(of)Sam = Sonsam = (Mas)(ons) = Masons

The Masons !! Maybe it was them ?

Hmmmm....promising thread. I'll see you and raise you two:

1) Charlie MANSON

2) Tim OSMAN (aka Osama Bin Laden)

Manson knew to much he was being used by the CIA to end the peace and love revolution.

No doubt. Gotta get something done. I'll be back in a few with a question for you.

Post: #6

There is much more to this.

Did you give up researching more details? This could be interesting for people.


Here are some leads to follow..


Sam Carr and his brother and their unusual deaths and writing on the floor trim in their blood postmortem? Sound off to you?

Chingoons 4 pi movement process church of the final judgement etc..

keep digging. knock on tombstones.

Post: #7

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

Okay so I watched a interesting show on the events of the Son of Sam case. One of the things that came out of the show was that some believe David Berkowitz could not have acted alone. It seems some people believe Berkowitz was part of a conspiracy to commit murder by a group of Satan worshipers or something.

1) Berkowitz did confess to 3 murders I believe, but claims he never committed all the killings himself and that he only watched a few.

Yet he has never actually named any other names and doesn't offer up any evidence or even discuss what took place.

2) One of the murders happened 2 minutes or so after Berkowitz was identified by an eye witness blocks away. The murder or attempted murder was too far away from where Berkowitz was sighted for him to have gotten there in time.

Of course exact times are very hard to pin down for any event so I am sure the eye witness identifying Berkowitz could have just had the wrong time.

3) The event above was witnessed by another individual and that person's description of the killer was nothing like Berkowitz. In fact there are a few police drawings taken from the eye witnesses who could make statements survivors, bystanders and all these drawings are pretty different only one really looks something like Berkowitz.
link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...F11212.jpg
Of course all these drawings were made from details given to police sketch artists by people witnessing events in dark areas during traumatic events.

4) It seems that the MO for the killings changed slightly which seems to point to a conspiracy.

Of course it could just be a single crazy person not acting rationally at all.

5) Son of Sam was a name that Berkowitz used because "Sam" was his neighbor. Sam's childeren were also supposed to be in the same Satanic club and both of Sam's sons were found dead years later from suspicious circumstances.

More reading....

http://www.sonofsamconspiracy.com/

hmmm.
The sketch looks more like Richard Ramirez or Angelo Buono.

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Buono,%20...age002.jpg

Fishy.

Post: #8

Frigg Stuyvesant  Wrote:

There is much more to this.

Did you give up researching more details? This could be interesting for people.


Here are some leads to follow..


Sam Carr and his brother and their unusual deaths and writing on the floor trim in their blood postmortem? Sound off to you?

Chingoons 4 pi movement process church of the final judgement etc..

keep digging. knock on tombstones.

I literally watched the documentary tonight I will dig more into the "story" it kinda caught my attention. If you or any1 for that matter have some info go ahead and add it.

Post: #9

LoP Guest  Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

Okay so I watched a interesting show on the events of the Son of Sam case. One of the things that came out of the show was that some believe David Berkowitz could not have acted alone. It seems some people believe Berkowitz was part of a conspiracy to commit murder by a group of Satan worshipers or something.

1) Berkowitz did confess to 3 murders I believe, but claims he never committed all the killings himself and that he only watched a few.

Yet he has never actually named any other names and doesn't offer up any evidence or even discuss what took place.

2) One of the murders happened 2 minutes or so after Berkowitz was identified by an eye witness blocks away. The murder or attempted murder was too far away from where Berkowitz was sighted for him to have gotten there in time.

Of course exact times are very hard to pin down for any event so I am sure the eye witness identifying Berkowitz could have just had the wrong time.

3) The event above was witnessed by another individual and that person's description of the killer was nothing like Berkowitz. In fact there are a few police drawings taken from the eye witnesses who could make statements survivors, bystanders and all these drawings are pretty different only one really looks something like Berkowitz.
link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...F11212.jpg
Of course all these drawings were made from details given to police sketch artists by people witnessing events in dark areas during traumatic events.

4) It seems that the MO for the killings changed slightly which seems to point to a conspiracy.

Of course it could just be a single crazy person not acting rationally at all.

5) Son of Sam was a name that Berkowitz used because "Sam" was his neighbor. Sam's childeren were also supposed to be in the same Satanic club and both of Sam's sons were found dead years later from suspicious circumstances.

More reading....

http://www.sonofsamconspiracy.com/

hmmm.
The sketch looks more like Richard Ramirez or Angelo Buono.

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Buono,%20...age002.jpg

Fishy.

I dont know if it makes a difference but all these famous killers did these crimes between late 60's early 80's

Post: #10

LoP Guest  Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Hmmmm....promising thread. I'll see you and raise you two:

1) Charlie MANSON

2) Tim OSMAN (aka Osama Bin Laden)

Manson knew to much he was being used by the CIA to end the peace and love revolution.

No doubt. Gotta get something done. I'll be back in a few with a question for you.

So here's just one example of something that I have never been able to figure out. IMHO, it's much more than a coincidence that our "hero" is named Obama and our villian (until recently) had a name that was just one letter off from Obama (i.e. Osama). Not to mention the similarity between "Obama Biden" and "Osama Bin Laden"

So how would you explain that? I see two possible explanations:

1) TPTB are planning things like this at least 40+ years in advance, which is pretty hard to believe
2) What Peter Levenda would probably refer to as "sinister forces" ... some strange workings of the universe that is beyond our understanding (or at least its beyond my understanding)

So the question for you, and anyone else who wants to chime in, is do you lean towards #1, #2 or some other answer I haven't considered?

Post: #11

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

Manson knew to much he was being used by the CIA to end the peace and love revolution.

No doubt. Gotta get something done. I'll be back in a few with a question for you.

So here's just one example of something that I have never been able to figure out. IMHO, it's much more than a coincidence that our "hero" is named Obama and our villian (until recently) had a name that was just one letter off from Obama (i.e. Osama). Not to mention the similarity between "Obama Biden" and "Osama Bin Laden"

So how would you explain that? I see two possible explanations:

1) TPTB are planning things like this at least 40+ years in advance, which is pretty hard to believe
2) What Peter Levenda would probably refer to as "sinister forces" ... some strange workings of the universe that is beyond our understanding (or at least its beyond my understanding)

So the question for you, and anyone else who wants to chime in, is do you lean towards #1, #2 or some other answer I haven't considered?

Im on the east coast its 1:30 here bedtime I will do some research and look into it later

Post: #12

A book written by Terry Maury entitled 'The ultimate evil' digs right into this topic, covers and researches Son of sam thoroughly and joins all sorts of dots relating to a satanic cult. Scary reading, manson etc all tied in. Read it.

Post: #13

ernest onslaught  Wrote:

A book written by Terry Maury entitled 'The ultimate evil' digs right into this topic, covers and researches Son of sam thoroughly and joins all sorts of dots relating to a satanic cult. Scary reading, manson etc all tied in. Read it.

I'll be curious to see if anyone drops in on this thread to dis Maury Terry. In years past it seemed to happen a lot in different places on the Web.

Maybe Terry is/was some form of controlled opp, but it always amazed me that people would try to dis him just because certain things he wrote were speculative (e.g the Manson connection).

I mean, how are you gonna dis the guy who conclusively proved that the Son of Sam killings were the work of a cult??

Post: #14

Oh sorry man. Maury terry it is. A great read anyway you look at it.

Post: #15

Charles Manson a bizarre, well-known, and feared criminal with a powerful ability to control his followers was responsible for the deaths of nine people, during a murderous rampage from July 25, 1969 through August 28, 1969. The initial three crime scens had a common element -- large words smeared on the walls in the victim's blood. Words like "PIG" and "WAR" were left on doors and walls. These words were part of a grander plan stemming from Manson's apocolyptic delusion for taking over the United States, if not the world.

The evil bloody rampage started at Gary Hinman's home on July 25th; terminating with slow tortured death on July 27. Hinman was a gentle person and had been a good friend to Manson and his family. He was killed because he claimed he didn't have the money they were trying to steal from him. Manson, Robert "Bobby" Beausoleil, Atkins, Mary Brunner, and Bruce Davis.

On August 9, 1969, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Linda Kasabian crept outside Tate’s Benedict Canyon home in the shortly after 12:30 AM.

Before they entered the house, Watson shot Steven Parent, who had been visiting a friend in the caretaker’s cottage, a young man with his life ahead of him, as he begged for his life.

Inside they massacred Sharon Tate who was eight and half months pregnant; her good friend, Jay Sebring who was visiting; coffee heiress Abigail "Gibby" Folger, and her lover Voytek Frykowski who were staying with Sharon until Roman returned.

On August 10th, Leno and Rosemary La Bianca, a wealthy, successful, retired couple, home in bed, became the next victims. Manson himself went to show the others how it's done. He went inside their house alone where he woke the couple out of a deep sleep with promises not to harm them if they cooperated. They did. He tied them to chairs. Then he returned to the car to send in Leslie Van Houten, Watson, and Krenwinkel to stab them to death. Manson hung out with Kasabian in the car while they carried out the rest of the carage. Kasabian cleaned and tossed out the wallet.

These first eight victims died as part of Manson's apocalyptic vision beginning with a race war between black and white Americans. August 28th, Manson stabbed Donald "Shortly" Shea to death out of vengeance. (There is strong evidence that he and his "family" were responsible for a number of other murders and crimes.) As in any cult, Manson and the members fed off each other's delusions. The psychotic Helter Skelter plan came about as Manson and family, listened to the Beatles White Album high on LSD, favoring "Helter Skelter," "Revolution 9," "Black Bird," "Piggies," "Sexy Sadie," and "Back in the USSR." They believed the lyrics were prophetic and the messengers, the Beatles, were the prophets. Manson was obsessed with Holy Bible Book of Revelations Chapters 9 and 10. He cleverly quoted the Bible frequently while twisting the meaning to suit his motives.


(when I find more I will post)

http://karisable.com/skazmanson.htm