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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77320 04-11-2012 04:32 AM

http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2011march.htm
http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2011marchlaymans.htm

Just to point out that thoes two links for Lloyd Pyes site are full of big claims that cant be backed up by the evidence presented.

The 2003 DNA study does not support the claim that the starchild had a non-human farther as Lloyd implys. (Nuclear DNA was not recoverable, meaning no conclusion can be reached-go read the actual report from the actual scientist, it is on his site if you dig for it)

The new 2010 and 2011 testing are been done by an unamed researcher at an unamaed lab. Who has not put out any report of his own yet.

We dont know how the sample was provied or under what conditions the tests have been performed. (potential for poor practice and contamination or even if your very sceptical, fraud)

Even the claims that he does make for the 2010/11 tests are not backed up.
2010-”Some of the Starchild’s nuDNA is different from anything previously found on Earth! ”
Nope not yet confirmed-”but it must be stressed that they are now, and will remain, only fragmentary, and they will ultimately require subsequent repetitions for absolute confirmation”

2011-”Starchild Skull, is by itself sufficient reason to suspect a new species has been identified!”
Also not yet confirmed-”Remember that the information found by comparing mtDNA segments cannot and should not be considered thoroughly verified, as some sequencing errors are undoubtedly present. Each mtDNA segment must be sequenced several times to establish exactly how many differences exist between the Starchild Skull and the human CRS”

Lloyds misrepresenting of the DNA science is not a good sign for his trustworthyness.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77320 04-11-2012 04:34 AM

Steven Novella of Yale University Medical School concludes that the cranium exhibits all of the characteristics of a child who has died as a result of congenital hydrocephalus, and that the cranial deformations were the result of accumulations of cerebrospinal fluid within the skull.[4]
[edit] DNA testing

DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD (Bureau of Legal Dentistry), a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes."[4] Further DNA testing in 2003 at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, isolated mitochondrial DNA from both recovered skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female. However, the adult female found with the child belonged to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother.[1]

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77320 04-11-2012 04:35 AM

Novella, Steven. "The Starchild Project". The New England Skeptical Society. Retrieved March 17, 2011.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77320 04-11-2012 04:39 AM

Hell just go to http://lloydpye.com and look at all the "It's explained in my books conveniently on sale now!" ads all over it.

**GLNLI** lop guest User ID: 88810 04-11-2012 07:06 AM

JUST LOOK AT THE SPEED AFTER INITIAL DISCOVERY THAT THE DENISOVAN BECAME NOT ONLY FACT BUT PART OF PAPUANS GENEALOGY.

GL

GREY LENSMAN · **GLNLI** lop guest User ID: 88810 04-11-2012 07:32 AM

GOOD THREAD SHAME ABOUT THE REALLY PISS POOR DEBUNKERS.

1. THEY PROVIDE NO EVIDENCE OF THEIR CLAIMS
2. LATER THEY SITE NO DNA FOUND AS EVIDENCE, WHERE AS WE KNOW THAT NO EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE IS NOT PROOF THAT ITS NOT THERE.
3. AD HOMINEMNS OR MONEY TRAILS. ITS OK FOR GIG "WHAT EVER" TO CHARGE MASSIVE FEES BUT GOD FORBID JOE PUBLIC TRYING TO COVER HIS COSTS.

MANY MORE EXAMPLE BUT THEY SAY, WE GOTTA BURY THIS

FINALLY, THE DEBUNKED CLAIM. ALL MAINSTREAM CONS, A CLASSIC BERING THE WATERMELONS DO THIS. COUNTER A BIT OF REAL SCIENCE, WITH A HIGHLY FACTUAL AND REASONED "RUBBISH". THEN BLAST THAT AROUND THE NET, ATTACH GOOGLE TAGS AND THEN FOREVER INK BACK TO IT, STATING SOUNDLY " OH THATS, ITS BEEN WELL DEBUNKED" LINK. END OF STORY.

THEY REALLY ARE STUPID.

LOOK AT THE POSTED DNA RESULTS.

THERE IS A VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT IN THERE AND ITS NOT ALIEN DNA.

GL

**GREY LENSMAN** · (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012 07:58 AM by GREY LENSMAN.)

THE LINKED DNA REPORT WAS VERY DETAILED AND INTERESTING

SOME SEEM TO FORGET THAT DNA ANALYSIS PRODUCES A PERMANENT "BAR CODE" WHICH CAN BE USED IN OTHER COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS AND AS SUCH REPRESENT A GROWING DATABASE THAT GETS MORE AND MORE DETAILED OVER TIME.

THIS SCIENTIFICALLY AND LOGICALLY BACKS UP CLAIMS THAT HUMAN DNA HAS 120 MUTATIONS OR VARIATIONS THAT ARE WELL KNOWN AND FOUND IN EVERY SINGLE LIVING HUMAN.

THUS THE FOLLOWING GRAPHIC FROM THE DNA REPORT IS VERY REVEALING.

[Image: B682_4F851D00.jpg]

CAN YOU SEE WHAT IT IS?

GL

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 89675 04-11-2012 08:26 AM

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

THE LINKED DNA REPORT WAS VERY DETAILED AND INTERESTING

SOME SEEM TO FORGET THAT DNA ANALYSIS PRODUCES A PERMANENT "BAR CODE" WHICH CAN BE USED IN OTHER COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS AND AS SUCH REPRESENT A GROWING DATABASE THAT GETS MORE AND MORE DETAILED OVER TIME.

THIS SCIENTIFICALLY AND LOGICALLY BACKS UP CLAIMS THAT HUMAN DNA HAS 120 MUTATIONS OR VARIATIONS THAT ARE WELL KNOWN AND FOUND IN EVERY SINGLE LIVING HUMAN.

THUS THE FOLLOWING GRAPHIC FROM THE DNA REPORT IS VERY REVEALING.

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...851D00.jpg

CAN YOU SEE WHAT IT IS?

GL

A hobbit screwed a chimpanzee?
Scream1

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 89676 04-11-2012 08:37 AM

**Janus**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Repeat the same test 10-20 times with the same results, then we will talk.

Will you pay for these 20 tests?

Somebody apparently can pay $7 million to the Max Planck institute for each boring human neandertal bone to be DNA-sequenced, why doesn't the same "somebody" pay another $7 million to have some much more interesting bone tested? Who is this "somebody" who can afford to test every ordinary other boring old human bone for insane amounts of money but is constantly refusing to test this one? Why can't the scientific community treat this very interesting skull the same way they treat every other new find?

Nobody takes him seriously for whatever reason. He's tried to get the attention of mainstream scientists, and they've all given him the cold shoulder. No scientist will risk their name or reputation when it comes to something as "taboo" as alien has become in today's world.

'Mainstream' or NWO funded scientists don't want research done
on this skull because they already know what it is from records
in the catacombs of the Vatican.

Too much information for the masses, too much truth would come out.

There was a flood. Prior to the flood there were cloning
'factories' everywhere, and everyone knew how to do it.

All flesh was corrupted.

As soon as everyone knows by scientific research that the Biblical
account of the flood was actually true, Darwinism comes tumbling
down, and the NWO with it.

This skull is the disastrous result of genetic manipulation obviously
probably of animal origin, species extinct.

Who told everyone that prior to the flood, there was no science?
That everyone who lived was camping in caves, running down
animals with clubs for food? All that is BS and the truth is coming
out.

**Clever Trevor**

Janus Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Will you pay for these 20 tests?

Somebody apparently can pay $7 million to the Max Planck institute for each boring human neandertal bone to be DNA-sequenced, why doesn't the same "somebody" pay another $7 million to have some much more interesting bone tested? Who is this "somebody" who can afford to test every ordinary other boring old human bone for insane amounts of money but is constantly refusing to test this one? Why can't the scientific community treat this very interesting skull the same way they treat every other new find?

Nobody takes him seriously for whatever reason. He's tried to get the attention of mainstream scientists, and they've all given him the cold shoulder. No scientist will risk their name or reputation when it comes to something as "taboo" as alien has become in today's world.

'Mainstream' or NWO funded scientists don't want research done
on this skull because they already know what it is from records
in the catacombs of the Vatican.

Too much information for the masses, too much truth would come out.

There was a flood. Prior to the flood there were cloning
'factories' everywhere, and everyone knew how to do it.

All flesh was corrupted.

As soon as everyone knows by scientific research that the Biblical
account of the flood was actually true, Darwinism comes tumbling
down, and the NWO with it.

This skull is the disastrous result of genetic manipulation obviously
probably of animal origin, species extinct.

Who told everyone that prior to the flood, there was no science?
That everyone who lived was camping in caves, running down
animals with clubs for food? All that is BS and the truth is coming
out.

**GREY LENSMAN**

SORRY ABOUT THE DELAY AND THE TROLL.

IF WE TAKE 5,000 YEARS PER MUTATION FOR HUMANOIDS AND LOOK AT THE CHART WE GET

HUMANS 120 EQUALS 240,000 YEARS CHECK
NEANDERTHALS 200 EQUALS 400,000 YEARS CHECK
DENISOVANS 385 EQUALS 770,000 YEARS ?????????
STARCHILD 800 EQUALS 1,600,000 YEARS CLEARLY A VERY OLD LINEAGE
CHIMPS 1500 EQUALS 3 MILLION YEARS.

INTERESTING

GL

**Leopardsands** · **Leopardsands** Goth Pug User ID: 76478 04-11-2012 02:47 PM **Posts: 13,699**

**Leopardsands** · (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012 02:49 PM by Leopardsands.)

I have heard all alien and star child talk except for Denisovans.

**GREY LENSMAN**

LEOPARD PLS READ

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21...umans.html

ONLY DISCOVERED TWO YEARS AGO

GL