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**chookaKahn** · (This post was last modified: 04-24-2012 03:21 PM by chookaKahn.)

bah! My comprehension is a tad deficient ATM Blink

carry on

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-24-2012 03:22 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Pi Wrote:
People only have status if you give it to them, you are just jealous because your book about stamp collecting failed to be published.

You're right! The only conceivable reason to give a negative review must
be jealousy and feelings of personal inadequacy!

Let's abolish the rating system altogether! Everything is awesome; no comparisons need ever be made! Thanks Pi!

I'm beginning to see why King's abject excuses took hold after all.....

Look if you feeling personally inadequate just take some of those pills, they say they work.

I don't think you are in adequate, just a little lost and needing a hug from your mom, get out of the basement and make a sandwich, you will feel much better.
Maybe there is a body by the train tracks near you area you can investigate.
Have you checked the drains for clowns?
Do you have a sharpened baseball bat in case of vampires?
Domes in your area?
Flipped to another world recently?

I think you just need to take a Stand and get to the heart of IT.
I could sell you an old car if you want, and you could take you dog for a ride and get the fire started.

Watch out for wells [very boring] and sparrows, and if there are two sides to the street take The Dark Half.
Cheers

**Jessica6** · (This post was last modified: 04-24-2012 03:35 PM by Jessica6.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

'Enjoy' has nothing to do with it.

I was 7 in 1977 and went to see Star Wars like everyone else. I thought it was awesome! I fell in love with Princess Leia, was torn between wanting to be Luke and wanting to be Han, and drove my mother crazy by pretending her flashlightw as my lightsaber.

Then I grew up.

I still enjoy the film for nostalgia reasons. But as an adult, I can see that it's just a cartoon, a kiddie flick with kiddie themese and no real character depth.
I still 'enjoy' it, but I won't insist it's some great cinematic masterpiece.

...

I was mortified when I saw Star Wars again as an adult. I'd seen it in the cinema as a kid (I was six or seven) and then again at 23.

Holy crap, it's corny. And don't get me started on the dialogue... But it still has it's charm.

As for Stephen King, again he IS a bit of a hack... Great ideas often but to be honest I prefer either his short stories or movies based on his books over his actual books. (Don't see Children of the Corn though, it's truly excrable, but Christine has aged really well).

**jdfearl**

Sadder But Wiser Wrote:

I spent $30 on a hardcover copy of The Dark Tower when it came out because I just had to see how the series ended.

It's been a couple of years now but the pain still lingers. I want my money back Steve, so if you read these forums you can contact me about making restitution, ya shameless con man!

Ka is a wheel (snort!) What, do you write fortune cookies to supplement your income or something?

Thirty bucks, King. Make it happen and maybe we won't discuss the mind boggling arrogance of lecturing your readers in your unbelievably pretentious 'coda'.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. (Yes, I realize this is an old saw, but you see Ka is a wheel! And Stupidity is an inclined plane. Also, I heard that stealing any idea that's not nailed down and guarded by rabid mastiffs is a pulley. Go ask King; he knows all about it.)

I haven't read a single word you've shat out since the massive, bloated insult that was The Dark Tower, so I will settle for just the original $30. Call it $50 to cover pain and suffering.

Hack!

I stopped reading him years ago, his books are all the same to me. Boring!!

**Nia Moone**

I agree 100 % with the op!!!!
I felt the exact same way after reading Tommyknockers.
It started out really good, but by the time he hit half way, it
seemed like he got tired if writing the book and it went downhill
after that

did not or will not read or watch another steven king
production since

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77388 04-24-2012 09:58 PM

Jessica6 Wrote:

I was mortified when I saw Star Wars again as an adult. I'd seen it in the cinema as a kid (I was six or seven) and then again at 23.

Holy crap, it's corny. And don't get me started on the dialogue... But it still has it's charm.

Exactly

I clearly remember being mystified by my mother's mockery of the film. How could anyone not love it? It was so cool!

King has never been anything more than a writer of cheesy horror books. I mean, it's not like he's speaking to the human condition or anything. Most of his output is the literasry version of Star Wars; it will entertain you in the same way a Spiderman comic book will.

And there's nothing wrong with that. People should read everything from Shakespeare to Sheldon, Kafka to King.

But this Dark Tower book was just inexcusably bad. He stole elements from Star Wars, harry Potter and Marvel's Doctor Doom. I mean, he's always been an absolutely shameless thief of pop culture. I don't mean 'borrowing', I mean just outright stealing.

But I never cared. I read it for escapeism, not quality.

However, there is a limit below which no seld respecting author will go. King plunged waaaay past that limit in the final book.

Which is why I am here trying to get my money back!

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 04-24-2012 10:07 PM

hold on a second, let's back up here....

YOU SPENT $30 ON A BOOK?

Dumbass

**FreedomStands**

Sadder But Wiser Wrote:

I spent $30 on a hardcover copy of The Dark Tower when it came out because I just had to see how the series ended.

It's been a couple of years now but the pain still lingers. I want my money back Steve, so if you read these forums you can contact me about making restitution, ya shameless con man!

Ka is a wheel (snort!) What, do you write fortune cookies to supplement your income or something?

Thirty bucks, King. Make it happen and maybe we won't discuss the mind boggling arrogance of lecturing your readers in your unbelievably pretentious 'coda'.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. (Yes, I realize this is an old saw, but you see Ka is a wheel! And Stupidity is an inclined plane. Also, I heard that stealing any idea that's not nailed down and guarded by rabid mastiffs is a pulley. Go ask King; he knows all about it.)

I haven't read a single word you've shat out since the massive, bloated insult that was The Dark Tower, so I will settle for just the original $30. Call it $50 to cover pain and suffering.

Hack!

Someone uploaded the comic books once but I think I ended up not liking them much.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77388 04-24-2012 10:21 PM

Guitar Doctor Wrote:

Fiction is fiction.
Seriously what did you want?

Oh I dunno, how about an ending that wouldn't insult the intelligence of a urinal cake? How about an absence of sulky aggression and self serving excuses within the pages of a book I paid money to read? How about we start with those things as a baseline and go from there?

Any fool could see a mile out what he was going to do with the ending, unless they were not much of a reader.

Bullshit. The ending was not foreshadowed in any way; anyone can claim they 'knew' something after the facts have already been established. "Oh, I always KNEW the Japanese would bomb Pearl harbor!" "Oh, any fool could have seen that the titanic would sink!"

Pffffft! again. You didn't 'know' anything, all your protestations notwithstanding. The ending did not do justice to the setup, which was that there was a sickness at the heart of the Tower and a Messianic figure, Roland, sacrificed his humanity to search it out and eradicate it. Yeah, your grasp of the plot shows what a deep, deep reader you are!

I used to read a novel per day for 15 years, I have read most old school authors and a few new ones.

Well, I used to read 16 novels in a an hour and fifteen minutes, some modern and some in Latin or Greek. I used to read the entire Encyclopedia Brittanica in my sleep every night when I was in grad school. I used to translate the code of Hammarubi into Farsi to pay my way through brain surgeon school. Anyone can make claims on an internet forum, can't they?

One day I stopped reading every book that came my way and became discerning.

Yet you come here to criticize my new-found discernment of what a hack Stephen King really is? Man, talk about your mixed messages!

But we all know why you are really here.

You don't know a thing about 'why I'm really here'. You make assumptions because those assumptions serve to protect your ego by making me wrong.

The only one arguing here is you. If I think this book sucked and want to discuss it with other people who felt similarly let down, that's my perogative.

What's your beef, exactly? That I took your laughable assertions about 'great writers uniting all their ideas blah blah blah' and laughed at it?

What did you expect? Was I supposed to roll over in awe at your literary acumen and renounce my views on this book?

Get over yourself. You liked the book? Good for you. Go in peace.

By the way, if you have an irresistable urge to reply, start by answering the question I posed: would looping LOTR back to Bilbo in his hobbit hole (with the 'Horn of Eld' or the 'Toothbrush of Jimblejam' or some similar nonsense that had never appeared in the story before), would that have made LOTR a better book?

We all know it would have made it suck. Your dodging the question cannot nullify the point.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77388 04-24-2012 10:26 PM

The Evil AC Wrote:

hold on a second, let's back up here....

YOU SPENT $30 ON A BOOK?

I did. And I agree, it was stupid.

But I was living in Japan at the time, and I wanted a copy immediately.

I read the first book in 1988 and loved it. The minimalist prose really struck a chord in me, and I couldn't wait to read more.

The first three were fantastic good fun, but as the years went by we had to wait longer and longer between each instalment. The latter half undeniably declined in quality but by then i had waited fifteen years for a conclusion.

I had the money to spend and hoped against hope he would pull out of the tailspin and give his readers a decent ending.

Instead, we got this turd, in which his lazy hack ending was only surpassed in shittiness by his snide remarks to the readers. I swore he'd never see another dime of my money, and he hasn't.

Now if I can get my $30 back I'll call it even. History will judge his books just as they deserve.

**Charlie the Tuna** lop guest User ID: 31897 04-24-2012 11:12 PM

In due time all them books come to yard sales for 50 cents or a buck. The anticipation of even 20 moar years for something you might like might of been worth it. Still even for those who totally hates the ending 50 cents or so for possible SHTF toilet paper is still not a total waste. Having stuff on hand beats the dangers of scavenging for ass paper in the ruins of a post apocalyptic public library.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77388 04-24-2012 11:28 PM

Charlie the Tuna Wrote:

In due time all them books come to yard sales for 50 cents or a buck. The anticipation of even 20 moar years for something you might like might of been worth it. Still even for those who totally hates the ending 50 cents or so for possible SHTF toilet paper is still not a total waste. Having stuff on hand beats the dangers of scavenging for ass paper in the ruins of a post apocalyptic public library.

I can see you are a glass half full kind of guy.

I admire that, of course. It's a good attitude to take.

But really I was focused on discussing the plot of the book, specifically the ending.

It left me feeling cheated. Surely I can't have been the only one who felt this way?

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 04-24-2012 11:31 PM

Coolhandluke74 Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Coolhandluke74 Wrote:
No one forced you to buy it.

All sales are final....

So the victims of massive consumer fraud are just stuck with their purchases? Is that the way these things work?

If someone robs you, you're just stuck with it? No recourse is avaailable?

KY jelly might help you ease the pain....

something tells me the only thing you have ever needed ky for was when you where a mod at TOP and let tridget f*ck you repeatedly in your ass.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 77388 04-24-2012 11:31 PM

Charlie the Tuna Wrote:

In due time all them books come to yard sales for 50 cents or a buck.

I guess what I'm trying to say isd that it's not really about my $30. Money comes and goes and I doubt my sheckles made much difference either way to King.

But the feeling of being cheated is real. Doesn't the guy have an editor? Was there really no one on hand to stand up and say, "Steve, this is sub-par work. You owe the fans who made you rich something better than this bucket of leperous mucus."

**AC488** I got no balls User ID: 488 04-24-2012 11:35 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Charlie the Tuna Wrote:
In due time all them books come to yard sales for 50 cents or a buck.

I guess what I'm trying to say isd that it's not really about my $30. Money comes and goes and I doubt my sheckles made much difference either way to King.

But the feeling of being cheated is real. Doesn't the guy have an editor? Was there really no one on hand to stand up and say, "Steve, this is sub-par work. You owe the fans who made you rich something better than this bucket of leperous mucus."

Your thread is a bit boring and just a crying session really.

Have you come up with a good ending for it?

Space cowboy much?