You see government as the solution.

The Comedian  Wrote:

You see government as the solution.

Where exactly did I say that?

oh yeah... gov should regulate the corporations profits and the
agenda of genocide of the consumers with toxic shit and toxic debt and some mechanism in place to stop them from throwing money at politicians to get what they want ... if government can't do that they should be thrown out and replaced with some people that represent the all people not just the rich ones. Not just in the US but anywhere.

spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote:

The Comedian  Wrote:

You see government as the solution.

Where exactly did I say that?

oh yeah... gov should regulate the corporations profits and the
agenda of genocide of the consumers with toxic shit and toxic debt and some mechanism in place to stop them from throwing money at politicians to get what they want ... if government can't do that they should be thrown out and replaced with some people that represent the all people not just the rich ones. Not just in the US but anywhere.

Nicely put...and well informed. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. The corporatocracy is in full effect in the USA, and those singing the praises of the system that supports said corporatocracy, are traitors.

What you failed to realize is that the effective tax rate back then was not nearly so high due to deductions and other methods of hiding income.
Now if you can come up with some chart or cute cartoon that shows the effective tax rate based on how much they actually paid or better yet one based on what percentage of total tax revenues they paid then I'd say go for it, but one that shows the tax rates on the books is almost meaningless except to rile up the riffraff.

imho...the first thing to start on., is the billions wasted on endless welfare reicpients...
i think they are a bigger problem then worrying about tax increases on the rich.

Can we get something a little more current than 2004?
Lets see how the current idiot in the whitehouse is doing.
And the bottom 47% do not pay any federal income tax.
Now if you want to add in state and the federally mandated retirement account that is social security the figures change a bit, but we are talking about federal income tax and not the rest.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

What you failed to realize is that the effective tax rate back then was not nearly so high due to deductions and other methods of hiding income.
Now if you can come up with some chart or cute cartoon that shows the effective tax rate based on how much they actually paid or better yet one based on what percentage of total tax revenues they paid then I'd say go for it, but one that shows the tax rates on the books is almost meaningless except to rile up the riffraff.

Then get ride of the loopholes.



LoP Guest  Wrote:

imho...the first thing to start on., is the billions wasted on endless welfare reicpients...
i think they are a bigger problem then worrying about tax increases on the rich.

How about we start with the billions in corporate welfare? Can we
at least stop the oil and gas subsidies?




LoP Guest  Wrote:

Can we get something a little more current than 2004?
Lets see how the current idiot in the whitehouse is doing.
And the bottom 47% do not pay any federal income tax.
Now if you want to add in state and the federally mandated retirement account that is social security the figures change a bit, but we are talking about federal income tax and not the rest.

That bottom 47% don't make enough to pay taxes beyond the payroll,
state and local taxes they are already burdened with. How much blood
do you believe you can squeeze out of a radish?

You are going to have to do better than a decade old chart that fails to show how much each group is taking from the system as compared to the taxes they pay.

gas and oil subsidies? Do you have any idea how much money they need to pay the government in order to drill or search for new locations to drill?

akhenaten  Wrote:

spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote:

Where exactly did I say that?

oh yeah... gov should regulate the corporations profits and the
agenda of genocide of the consumers with toxic shit and toxic debt and some mechanism in place to stop them from throwing money at politicians to get what they want ... if government can't do that they should be thrown out and replaced with some people that represent the all people not just the rich ones. Not just in the US but anywhere.

Nicely put...and well informed. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. The corporatocracy is in full effect in the USA, and those singing the praises of the system that supports said corporatocracy, are traitors.

The problem with your take is that it's a SMALL percentage of companies that influence government. There are hundreds of thousands of small and medium sized business owners that don't and get lumped in with the 1%.

The solution is not more taxes. The solution is less spending and making it a crime for government to take money from corporations.

The problem with your take is that it's a SMALL percentage of companies that influence government. There are hundreds of thousands of small and medium sized business owners that don't and get lumped in with the 1%.

The solution is not more taxes. The solution is less spending and making it a crime for government to take money from corporations.

akhenaten  Wrote:

spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote:

Where exactly did I say that?

oh yeah... gov should regulate the corporations profits and the
agenda of genocide of the consumers with toxic shit and toxic debt and some mechanism in place to stop them from throwing money at politicians to get what they want ... if government can't do that they should be thrown out and replaced with some people that represent the all people not just the rich ones. Not just in the US but anywhere.

Nicely put...and well informed. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. The corporatocracy is in full effect in the USA, and those singing the praises of the system that supports said corporatocracy, are traitors.

The problem with your take is that it's a SMALL percentage of companies that influence government. There are hundreds of thousands of small and medium sized business owners that don't and get lumped in with the 1%.

The solution is not more taxes. The solution is less spending and making it a crime for government to take money from corporations.

LooneyBin  Wrote:

akhenaten  Wrote:

Nicely put...and well informed. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. The corporatocracy is in full effect in the USA, and those singing the praises of the system that supports said corporatocracy, are traitors.

The problem with your take is that it's a SMALL percentage of companies that influence government. There are hundreds of thousands of small and medium sized business owners that don't and get lumped in with the 1%.

The solution is not more taxes. The solution is less spending and making it a crime for government to take money from corporations.

I'm good with that.

There is no reason that corporations should be allowed to contribute to government. Individuals, yes, corporate bodies, nooooooo.

As for anonymouse and akchew, you guys can just keep giving each other reach-arounds. "Regulate corporate profits".

f*ck you. Someone should have regulated your mom's conjugal visits to the state pen.

And he wants to legalize weed and has been a campaigner for legalization for years.

LooneyBin  Wrote:

akhenaten  Wrote:

Nicely put...and well informed. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. The corporatocracy is in full effect in the USA, and those singing the praises of the system that supports said corporatocracy, are traitors.

The problem with your take is that it's a SMALL percentage of companies that influence government. There are hundreds of thousands of small and medium sized business owners that don't and get lumped in with the 1%.

The solution is not more taxes. The solution is less spending and making it a crime for government to take money from corporations.

I disagree that more taxes on the skaters is not the answer, yet I do agree on spending in moderation. I think that small and medium businesses should be taxed accordingly, and the large ones (especially those using loopholes to avoid taxes entirely) need to be assessed a proper amount. I do not consider small and *some* medium sized businesses to be the 1% either, I would consider them part of the masses that are being ass raped by the large corps/banksters/bought and paid for politicians. my major issue is that the system has been worked over to make the folks at the very top in power to evade *all* of their fair share...while folks like you and I pay the brunt. I think that these corps getting away with zero taxation (change the code to prevent these kinds of loopholes*), need to be brought to task for their usage/destruction of the road systems/bridges/etc and yet not paying taxes. So they add to the demise of the infrastructure (in some cases exponentially) and they don't pay shit back in. So you and I, as individuals, have to pick up the slack via tax hikes, vehicle repairs and then some. I, as a veteran, capitalist (might be waning on this front) and believer in good pay for hard work, cannot almost even stand to look at our system anymore. Every day is even more into teh realm of taxation without representation...and if you remember your American History classes (do they even teach that anymore?) you'll know that taxation without representation is what caused the tea-party (not the "new" one) and ultimately led to the American Revolution. Time for change...and I mean to the status quo. Good luck to you out there sir!